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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,797 Views)
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22 Feb 2018, 09:26 PM

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BR has won a treble, and might win another the following season.

Any manager can be questioned but folk need to remember that we're still on a good thing having him here.
Give Lennon half his budget and Lennon gets exactly the same results on half the wage as well.

I'm not saying he should be sacked but he's here to make us better in europe.and he's failing miserable to do so.
In both BR 2 seasons, he has bettered 3 out of 4 Lenny seasons and both Delias seasons.
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He has some serious faults - He would rather develop a player then buy one - nothing wrong in that if the raw materials are there (eg KT) and he likes to play the slow build up possession game - even when its patently not working. He perseveres with some obvious weak links (previous managers have also had "favourites")

Of course he has strengths too but he has to develop too.
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'Europe after Christmas' is a nice wee soundbite and nice milestone to monitor progress but really the point of dropping down to the Europa League shouldn't be to tick a box. It should be to compete with teams largely of a similar quality (bar some obvious outliers) and make a good fist of the matches. We had a tie that should have been winable. We shat it.
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Give Lennon half his budget and Lennon gets exactly the same results on half the wage as well.

I'm not saying he should be sacked but he's here to make us better in europe.and he's failing miserable to do so.
So our European adventure hasn’t improved since he got here ?
Depends on the frame of reference. European football after xmas could be seen as progress, but the tankings we took were unprecedented.

For me, to count post xmas europe as progress, we shouldn't be getting easily brushed aside as per tonight.
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Give Lennon half his budget and Lennon gets exactly the same results on half the wage as well.

I'm not saying he should be sacked but he's here to make us better in europe.and he's failing miserable to do so.
In both BR 2 seasons, he has bettered 3 out of 4 Lenny seasons and both Delias seasons.
With about 4 times the budget. Your not reading what I'm saying
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Give Lennon half his budget and Lennon gets exactly the same results on half the wage as well.

I'm not saying he should be sacked but he's here to make us better in europe.and he's failing miserable to do so.
So our European adventure hasn’t improved since he got here ?
Do You think we have progressed?
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In both BR 2 seasons, he has bettered 3 out of 4 Lenny seasons and both Delias seasons.
With about 4 times the budget. Your not reading what I'm saying
I am and I can safely say that BR has not had 4 times the budget of either Lenny or Delia.

And that is why legimate criticism of BR gets lost in the hyperbole.
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'Europe after Christmas' is a nice wee soundbite and nice milestone to monitor progress but really the point of dropping down to the Europa League shouldn't be to tick a box. It should be to compete with teams largely of a similar quality (bar some obvious outliers) and make a good fist of the matches. We had a tie that should have been winable. We shat it.
Exactly the wee cannot compete mentality is infuriating never heard a Celtic manager basically concede defeat before a ball has been kicked before.
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So our European adventure hasn’t improved since he got here ?
Do You think we have progressed?
The fact we haven’t lost a domestic trophy to anyone since he came, the fact we qualified for champions league football twice since he arrived , European football after Christmas this time around. Only a complete diddy would say we haven’t progressed . He’s done a remarkable job. One of the best I’ve seen from a Celtic manager
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So our European adventure hasn’t improved since he got here ?
Do You think we have progressed?
We have progressed massively from when he came in, how anyone cam deny that is beyond me.
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Do You think we have progressed?
The fact we haven’t lost a domestic trophy to anyone since he came, the fact we qualified for champions league football twice since he arrived , European football after Christmas this time around. Only a complete diddy would say we haven’t progressed . He’s done a remarkable job. One of the best I’ve seen from a Celtic manager
M8 that's all said and good but we are currently performi g in the league to a level below which our last manager was chased for I know we will probably go on and win the league comfortably but it doesn't help in the here and now when we have been let down yet again by naive tactics.
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Do You think we have progressed?
The fact we haven’t lost a domestic trophy to anyone since he came, the fact we qualified for champions league football twice since he arrived , European football after Christmas this time around. Only a complete diddy would say we haven’t progressed . He’s done a remarkable job. One of the best I’ve seen from a Celtic manager
Last year we lost 3 games in the Champions league group stages.
This year we lost 5.

We got 3 points last year, we got 3 points this year.

How are you measuring progression?
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I don't blame him for individual mistakes. I do blame him for De Vries. Not only did he bring him here but after watching how bad he was he gave him a new contract. Beyond belief.
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His chat about them being favourites was no good.

They spend more does not equal they are a better team. Both games prove they are not a great side.

The team went into this leg with absolutely no belief and I can't help but think the manager is partly to blame from that.
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The fact we haven’t lost a domestic trophy to anyone since he came, the fact we qualified for champions league football twice since he arrived , European football after Christmas this time around. Only a complete diddy would say we haven’t progressed . He’s done a remarkable job. One of the best I’ve seen from a Celtic manager
Last year we lost 3 games in the Champions league group stages.
This year we lost 5.

We got 3 points last year, we got 3 points this year.

How are you measuring progression?
Depends on where you sit in the argument :lol: :thumbsup:

Qualified for EL so progress in terms of overall result and above our seeding but granted performances haven't been as good.

But I would temper that in terms the 3 draws are looked on favourable of where he took over from.

Same yearly results in the opposite order and the complaints would be there also.
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Held off from saying this for some time but I was concerned at the start of the season hearing some of Brendan's disparaging comments about 'Scottish Football'. Winning everything domestic so comfortably in his first season has led him to believe he's better than he actually is, I fear. I wonder what's the point of building such a lightweight team that's going to get kicked off the park week-in, week-out; with no protection from the refs, only to capitulate in Europe and ship a horrendous amount of goals over the course of a campaign.

He's managing a Scottish (don't shoot me, you know what I mean) team, which plays in Scotland. Maybe it's time he acknowledged the reality of that fact and built a team which can at least stand up for itself.
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I don't blame him for individual mistakes. I do blame him for De Vries. Not only did he bring him here but after watching how bad he was he gave him a new contract. Beyond belief.
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With about 4 times the budget. Your not reading what I'm saying
I am and I can safely say that BR has not had 4 times the budget of either Lenny or Delia.

And that is why legimate criticism of BR gets lost in the hyperbole.
He has a considerable budget compared to Lennon and you know fine well he has.

Lennon would have loved 3 or 4 players on 40k a week.
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22 Feb 2018, 08:44 PM
I don't think we have the bottle for a title race.
There is no title race.

That is an embarrassing comment.
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22 Feb 2018, 09:50 PM
His chat about them being favourites was no good.

They spend more does not equal they are a better team. Both games prove they are not a great side.

The team went into this leg with absolutely no belief and I can't help but think the manager is partly to blame from that.
They have spent a few hundred million. Bit of perspective. He’s correct to call them favourites . They were
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