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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,804 Views)
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Once more, 100% spot on.
Slurp!
He's right though.
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But you would have said that last Friday after a confidence boosting home win in Europe and with a home tie against a lesser team than Aberdeen away.
The 0-0 was disappointing but I honestly think if the ref wasn't at it then we win that game.
If he played next goals the winner the game might still be going on.
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Yip.

He makes/is making to many changes - wholesale is the media patter when you hear it!

MON and Lenny had the backbone of a succesful team both doing well in Europe and got by okay. Players that played most weekends & in Europe with - on occasion 2/3 changes tops. Worked for them.



I don’t think we can afford to stick to a main first XI.

We have to maintain the value of the squad as being in Scottish football isn’t a huge advert, so not getting much game time would lead to a players value dwindling pretty quick.

If we have players playing more football than anyone else in world football, then the excuse of fatigue is no longer an excuse but a solid reason. Add in a season with more injuries to pivotal players than I can remember then the fact we are still in line for a treble and have progressed in Europe with a good chance of continuing in the competition then I think Rodgers management has been as good as can be expected.

Don’t forget this is a team in a slow transition.

We all know several players are likely to be away at the end of the season, and with that the hunger they have won’t be quite the same as it was this time last year. It’s up to Rodgers to pick the right players at the right time, and that may no longer mean the players some of us want to see.
For the wish not to start sounding like a smart erse...what is the solution then?

9 changes ( i think on Sunday) and it was the worst at home Ive seen us this season.

I can kind of get 2/3 maybe 4 changes but 9 totally backfired and not for the first time this season.

General opinion is that we have regressed this year and are none to pretty to watch - which I agree with. IMO him constantly changing the team is effecting confidence in the players and resulting is poor performances in the league.


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It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
It’s anazing how many people refuse to listen to any mitigation of the underperformance but repeat “we’ve got more money” like myopic parrots.
There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this.

Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them).

Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t.

Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty.

A load of our injuries occur in training.

Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
If we take results out of what is (by popular aphorism) a results business it does leave us chewing the carpet a bit.

I agree that Celtic should always strive to be the Cavalier and not the Roundheads (that at least was drilled into my DNA) and I do agree we have a squad with too many samey type players. Not being able to beat Kilmarnock’ with a full strength team doesn’t bother me particularly. It’s happened in every single season I’ve supported Celtic bar last year. Steve Clarke is a good manager. He gave Rodgers his dinner. So what? It happens. If he does it six times in a row you’d begin to wonder. But fir a man that’s top of the league by 9 points, still in Europe and coming off an unbeaten treble season I don’t think it sounds endemic.

Half the buglers on here want a settled team. Time and again the stats are posted about the volume and intensity of football we’ve played over 18 months and it doesn’t make any odds. The fact we don’t win every game now invites the manager is not above criticism. One doesn’t follow the other except on here.
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The 0-0 was disappointing but I honestly think if the ref wasn't at it then we win that game.
:lol: :lol:

We were not allowed to build any kind of momentum.

If the ref does his job properly, Richard Foster is sent off and we are playing against 10 men for 30 mins.

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The 0-0 was disappointing but I honestly think if the ref wasn't at it then we win that game.
If he played next goals the winner the game might still be going on.
Yet, Ajer missed a great chance in the first half and Anderson blocks a goal bound shot with his arm.

Not making excuses for the performance. It was poor. However, I think we win if the ref does his job properly.
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:lol: :lol:

We were not allowed to build any kind of momentum.

If the ref does his job properly, Richard Foster is sent off and we are playing against 10 men for 30 mins.

Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

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We were not allowed to build any kind of momentum.

If the ref does his job properly, Richard Foster is sent off and we are playing against 10 men for 30 mins.

Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

Easy to blame because its true. As I said in the match thread, we weren't at the races as a team (7 changes will do that) but we easily had enough individual talent to win the game. Beaton made sure that every time anyone showed a flash of it, Saints were able to foul with impunity then get men behind the ball (which because we played poorly as a team, we couldn't break down.)

It was a masterclass in cheating, without him we would (at least have had several more chances) to snatch something. He made 100% sure our individual class couldn't count for anything on the day.
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I make it that Scott Sinclair has made 224 senior appearances before his move to Celtic. He had 93 appearances over 2 seasons with Swansea and England. Rest of the time he was more of a bit-part player. It is not that unusual to be playing a lot of games when you are good and the manager likes you.
I'll be disappointed if i was the only one to read that last sentence in a Tom Jones voice.
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We were not allowed to build any kind of momentum.

If the ref does his job properly, Richard Foster is sent off and we are playing against 10 men for 30 mins.

Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
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Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
Would we?

I don't remember the pen claim to be honest.
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Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
We need to negate any impact the ref has on a game by actually turning up for the game, do that and we'll win 99% of them.
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We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
We need to negate any impact the ref has on a game by actually turning up for the game, do that and we'll win 99% of them.
I disagree. The ref has to do his job.
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We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
Would we?

I don't remember the pen claim to be honest.
Cal Mac had a shot after a corner that was goal bound.

Anderson stuck out his arm. Sportscene highlighted it in their coverage.
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Easy to blame the ref for another insipid dour performance.

We aren't creating enough, we aren't scoring enough it has to improve.

We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
If they had been reduced to ten men they would have been energised by a sense of injustice, hit us on the break and beat us 2-0.
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Would we?

I don't remember the pen claim to be honest.
Cal Mac had a shot after a corner that was goal bound.

Anderson stuck out his arm. Sportscene highlighted it in their coverage.
Not seen the coverage to be honest man, I'll take your word for it. eff putting myself through watching that game ( highlights ) again,

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We did perform poorly but if they had been rightly reduced to ten men then surely we would have created more opportunities?

Also what about the pen claim?
We need to negate any impact the ref has on a game by actually turning up for the game, do that and we'll win 99% of them.
Don’t say that. 99% will be the new expectation.
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Cal Mac had a shot after a corner that was goal bound.

Anderson stuck out his arm. Sportscene highlighted it in their coverage.
Not seen the coverage to be honest man, I'll take your word for it. eff putting myself through watching that game ( highlights ) again,

I don't blame you :lol:
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If he played next goals the winner the game might still be going on.
Yet, Ajer missed a great chance in the first half and Anderson blocks a goal bound shot with his arm.

Not making excuses for the performance. It was poor. However, I think we win if the ref does his job properly.
I don't remember the hand ball if I'm being honest.
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We need to negate any impact the ref has on a game by actually turning up for the game, do that and we'll win 99% of them.
I disagree. The ref has to do his job.
You don’t think if we turn up and play as we’re capable of we not win 99% of the time ? Play as we did v St J and you invite the ref to have an influence over the game. Slowing it down, breaking up play etc etc it’s always been the case that the refs up here will and won’t do certain things in a game. If we scored on Saturday we’d have won despite the ref.
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