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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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20 Feb 2018, 01:19 PM
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On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes. Yes. It’s almost like that.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:24 PM
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On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes. Or cranking the best performances from the most important games? While retaining a healthy enough lead in the league and staying in all cups. If we get through it is all justified for me. Even if we don't, probably worth the risk (minimal anyway).
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20 Feb 2018, 01:27 PM
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On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes. Mistakes? Resting players and dropping points isn't a mistake unless the overall outcome is that we don't win the league or if we haven't progressed in Europe. Even if we go out on Thursday we have gone beyond what we did in Europe last year. I'm very confident we will win the league still! So the outcome justifies what BR has done this year. Performances in the main have disappointed but, as already eloquently put by other posters in the last few pages, injuries and fatigue cannot be downplayed in relation to this. Perhaps BR has to be commended this year more than last year for being able to manage an almost dire schedule and rotten luck with injuries.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:34 PM
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out. Seriously? "the excuses are running out"?
So what happens when they do actually run out? Do we get rid of the best Manager we've had since MoN because we drew with St Johnstone?
You don't half talk rubbish.
You need to get real and read Fenian Jacks post about the number of games the team are playing and the intensity of the performances.
Yes Brendan has questions to answer and I believe that he did make too many changes on Sunday but if we win on Thursday then that gamble would have been worth it.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:34 PM
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Yes. It’s almost like that. So, what does he do? Play his best team, strongest side?
We are playing so much football these past two seasons, from mid Summer onwards, that I don't think that is a concept that exists. The man is trying his best to deal with the understandably lengthier injury list with training for more games being an accumulative part of that process. If Tierney plays, he should be rested as he's played more than anyone, if Kieran is rested then he should have played, dropping points is not acceptable etc.
I think we should trust the man working every day with the players and the medical team, he's earned that.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:38 PM
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Or cranking the best performances from the most important games? While retaining a healthy enough lead in the league and staying in all cups. If we get through it is all justified for me. Even if we don't, probably worth the risk (minimal anyway).
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20 Feb 2018, 01:54 PM
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
We will win on Sunday. But you would have said that last Friday after a confidence boosting home win in Europe and with a home tie against a lesser team than Aberdeen away.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:03 PM
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
We will win on Sunday.
But you would have said that last Friday after a confidence boosting home win in Europe and with a home tie against a lesser team than Aberdeen away. Spurs and Man City fans would have done likewise I'm sure, prior to those cup games.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:05 PM
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
We will win on Sunday.
But you would have said that last Friday after a confidence boosting home win in Europe and with a home tie against a lesser team than Aberdeen away. The 0-0 was disappointing but I honestly think if the ref wasn't at it then we win that game.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:08 PM
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There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this. Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them). Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t. Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty. A load of our injuries occur in training. Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
Once more, 100% spot on. Slurp!
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20 Feb 2018, 02:13 PM
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I remember in The Damned United where Clough (at Derby) played his full strength team vs Leeds prior to a European semi against Juventus and they got kicked off the park by Leeds and had players miss the Euro tie.
Our three key players at the moment (part from Brown and Ncham who were unavail) are probably KT, Forrest and Dembele. I'm glad Beaton didn't let St Johnstone rough them up for 90 mins.
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But you would have said that last Friday after a confidence boosting home win in Europe and with a home tie against a lesser team than Aberdeen away.
The 0-0 was disappointing but I honestly think if the ref wasn't at it then we win that game.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:23 PM
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Mistakes? Resting players and dropping points isn't a mistake unless the overall outcome is that we don't win the league or if we haven't progressed in Europe. Even if we go out on Thursday we have gone beyond what we did in Europe last year. I'm very confident we will win the league still! So the outcome justifies what BR has done this year. Performances in the main have disappointed but, as already eloquently put by other posters in the last few pages, injuries and fatigue cannot be downplayed in relation to this. Perhaps BR has to be commended this year more than last year for being able to manage an almost dire schedule and rotten luck with injuries. It’s almost as if........
The Scooby Doo of KDS......
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On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes. Yip.
He makes/is making to many changes - wholesale is the media patter when you hear it!
MON and Lenny had the backbone of a succesful team both doing well in Europe and got by okay. Players that played most weekends & in Europe with - on occasion 2/3 changes tops. Worked for them.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:30 PM
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Mistakes? Resting players and dropping points isn't a mistake unless the overall outcome is that we don't win the league or if we haven't progressed in Europe. Even if we go out on Thursday we have gone beyond what we did in Europe last year. I'm very confident we will win the league still! So the outcome justifies what BR has done this year. Performances in the main have disappointed but, as already eloquently put by other posters in the last few pages, injuries and fatigue cannot be downplayed in relation to this. Perhaps BR has to be commended this year more than last year for being able to manage an almost dire schedule and rotten luck with injuries.
It’s almost as if........ The Scooby Doo of KDS...... Pesky kids? Spoiled effing brats. I want it all and now.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:33 PM
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Yip. He makes/is making to many changes - wholesale is the media patter when you hear it! MON and Lenny had the backbone of a succesful team both doing well in Europe and got by okay. Players that played most weekends & in Europe with - on occasion 2/3 changes tops. Worked for them. MON was also allowed to buy top level EPL players and pay the likes of Larsson top EPL wages to keep them. Lenny a better comparison but they also both had stronger league challenges (well to start with for Lenny ) so couldn't afford the dropped points we can now. If BR was in a tight race he's possibly behave differently too.
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Yip. He makes/is making to many changes - wholesale is the media patter when you hear it! MON and Lenny had the backbone of a succesful team both doing well in Europe and got by okay. Players that played most weekends & in Europe with - on occasion 2/3 changes tops. Worked for them. It's catch 22 though. MON stuck rigidly to the same starting eleven for most of his tenure. It worked because the starting eleven were very good but failure to bring in new players that were able enough replace the likes of Petrov, McNamara etc proved very costly in his final season.
Rodgers chops and changes a lot but theoretically it gives us a better chance of continuing to compete without burning too brightly then suddenly fizzling out like MON's side.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:39 PM
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I make it that Scott Sinclair has made 224 senior appearances before his move to Celtic. He had 93 appearances over 2 seasons with Swansea and England. Rest of the time he was more of a bit-part player. It is not that unusual to be playing a lot of games when you are good and the manager likes you.
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Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win. It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
Yip. He makes/is making to many changes - wholesale is the media patter when you hear it! MON and Lenny had the backbone of a succesful team both doing well in Europe and got by okay. Players that played most weekends & in Europe with - on occasion 2/3 changes tops. Worked for them. I don’t think we can afford to stick to a main first XI.
We have to maintain the value of the squad as being in Scottish football isn’t a huge advert, so not getting much game time would lead to a players value dwindling pretty quick.
If we have players playing more football than anyone else in world football, then the excuse of fatigue is no longer an excuse but a solid reason. Add in a season with more injuries to pivotal players than I can remember then the fact we are still in line for a treble and have progressed in Europe with a good chance of continuing in the competition then I think Rodgers management has been as good as can be expected.
Don’t forget this is a team in a slow transition.
We all know several players are likely to be away at the end of the season, and with that the hunger they have won’t be quite the same as it was this time last year. It’s up to Rodgers to pick the right players at the right time, and that may no longer mean the players some of us want to see.
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On the invincible run, I did wonder if we'd see burn out. Brendan is tinkering with the team now (slightly), I wanted him to do it more last season.
I still want him to do it even more now. Miller & Gamboa have played about 3 games between them (without checking), KT & Lustig are right up there in terms of minutes played in the whole of Europe & we've got the WC & stupid SFA trip in the summer to deal with too.
We need to rotate the squad if we are going to be playing this many games & we need to develop guys like Ralston, Miller, Hendry etc - that's going to take a while.
Chill out & watch them progress, they have to learn to deal with cloggers kicking them with impunity & try playing football the Celtic way. Ajer & KT have managed it, we'll get there & win back to back trebles while doing it....just not invincible ones (often).
BR has said he got it wrong earlier in the season in terms of rotating too many players in one go, something we won't see next season I'd say. Little and more often, but I can't blame him for going all in for the Zenit game, making the last 16 would be a superb achievement. Favourable draw and we could go through another round. If we don't get through then we've got 14 games to win and we should be focused on winning them all. I just feel he's not been consistent enough in the rotation, injuries certainly don't help. Ralston scored v Killie in the 7-1 (or so) Cup game & played against PSG, he surely would've played more & given Lustig more rest, if not injured. The Killie cup game Ralston scored in & KT scored his screamer, was littered with breakthrough young players & we destroyed them emphatically, I'd be more than happy to stick with a very young team more often, if it means resting the established & frankly overplayed older guys.
Ralston, Hendry Ajer, Miller, Kouassi, Ntcham, Musonda, Edouard etc
These guys all need games, they are in & around the 1st team daily in training & most get their fair share of starts. I'd easily cope with a few more draws than last season, or the odd defeat - if it means resting & managing the squad better.
Lustig, Jozo, Boyata, KT, Brown, Sinclair, Forrest, Dembele - that's who'd be getting rotated & not burnt out. Never mind Armstrong, Griffiths, Rogic etc who are injured quite often.
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