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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,806 Views)
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20 Feb 2018, 11:45 AM
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20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
It’s anazing how many people refuse to listen to any mitigation of the underperformance but repeat “we’ve got more money” like myopic parrots.
There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this.

Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them).

Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t.

Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty.

A load of our injuries occur in training.

Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
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It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
It’s anazing how many people refuse to listen to any mitigation of the underperformance but repeat “we’ve got more money” like myopic parrots.
There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this.

Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them).

Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t.

Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty.

A load of our injuries occur in training.

Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
Following last season's domination he took his foot off the gas in some respects. Manager and players too.
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20 Feb 2018, 11:54 AM
On the invincible run, I did wonder if we'd see burn out.
Brendan is tinkering with the team now (slightly), I wanted him to do it more last season.

I still want him to do it even more now.
Miller & Gamboa have played about 3 games between them (without checking), KT & Lustig are right up there in terms of minutes played in the whole of Europe & we've got the WC & stupid SFA trip in the summer to deal with too.

We need to rotate the squad if we are going to be playing this many games & we need to develop guys like Ralston, Miller, Hendry etc - that's going to take a while.

Chill out & watch them progress, they have to learn to deal with cloggers kicking them with impunity & try playing football the Celtic way. Ajer & KT have managed it, we'll get there & win back to back trebles while doing it....just not invincible ones (often).
BR has said he got it wrong earlier in the season in terms of rotating too many players in one go, something we won't see next season I'd say. Little and more often, but I can't blame him for going all in for the Zenit game, making the last 16 would be a superb achievement. Favourable draw and we could go through another round.

If we don't get through then we've got 14 games to win and we should be focused on winning them all.
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20 Feb 2018, 11:49 AM
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Folk keep saying "the long trip to Russia".

A direct flight to St. Petersburg to Glasgow is about 3 & 15 minutes. Its not a longer European trip than the majority of other ties we will play, Glasgow to Barcelona is about 2 hours 45 minutes for comparison
Maybe more to do with the time we are away?

We don't return to Friday night, then travelling to Aberdeen Saturday.

Training in Russia on Friday.
The players will be flying in Business class type service, staying in the best of hotels and playing at a time to suit GMT.

Russia won't be the reason if we lose on Sunday.
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Folk keep saying "the long trip to Russia".

A direct flight to St. Petersburg to Glasgow is about 3 & 15 minutes. Its not a longer European trip than the majority of other ties we will play, Glasgow to Barcelona is about 2 hours 45 minutes for comparison
Maybe more to do with the time we are away?

We don't return to Friday night, then travelling to Aberdeen Saturday.

Training in Russia on Friday.
The players will be flying in Business class type service, staying in the best of hotels and playing at a time to suit GMT.

Russia won't be the reason if we lose on Sunday.
St.P is only 3 hours ahead.
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20 Feb 2018, 11:45 AM
remy mcswain
20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
It’s anazing how many people refuse to listen to any mitigation of the underperformance but repeat “we’ve got more money” like myopic parrots.
There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this.

Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them).

Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t.

Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty.

A load of our injuries occur in training.

Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
Once more, 100% spot on.
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There is no mitigation. Our squad is massive. Every one of our starters on Sunday would get in to starting eleven of any other Scottish team. In our last two league games we have failed to score. There was no understrength team at Kilmarnock and we didn’t look like scoring that day. When we play at a slow tempo, we are easy to play against. When we play at full pelt, as we did more often than not last season, we will blow teams away - Hearts and the first twenty minutes v Thistle in the cup prove this.

Hibs star man at weekend was Scott Allan and Aberdeen’s is Ryan Christie. Two top four clubs with players who couldn’t get near Rodgers’ team (you can add Ambrose, Mcgeouch, Mackay-Steven and Niall McGinn to them).

Edit - we have no reliable back up to Tierney so we’ve flogged him to death. Who’s fault is that? I doubt it’s the board. Yet our manager insists Calvin Miller can play left back. Or Callum McGregor. They can’t.

Brown can’t get rested otherwise we are as soft as putty.

A load of our injuries occur in training.

Our results are okay but the perfomances aren’t great in main.
Following last season's domination he took his foot off the gas in some respects. Manager and players too.
He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

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Following last season's domination he took his foot off the gas in some respects. Manager and players too.
He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
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He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
One good result doesn't change the fact we're pish the now.
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He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
I have no issues with him changing the team (although I thought he made too many changes Sun), but the likes of Dembele aren’t going to be burned out. He needs games to get up to full sharpness.
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What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
One good result doesn't change the fact we're pish the now.
I didn't ask if it changed it, I asked if it would justify it.

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Following last season's domination he took his foot off the gas in some respects. Manager and players too.
He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

So he needs to stop changing the feckin team and he needs to stop flogging players to death?

Who the eff do you think he is ? Dr Moreau?
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Following last season's domination he took his foot off the gas in some respects. Manager and players too.
He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

Certainly when Brown is out other changes should be kept to a minimum. Appreciate Ollie and Lustig were ill/injured but beyond that?

however no matter who is in or out the way we play makes it easier for less talented players to negate our attacking play - its too slow.

As for the squad, remember Rodgers said when he came in he prefers to work with a small group of players, I wonder if he's rethinking that given the 11 month season and number of games?
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He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

Certainly when Brown is out other changes should be kept to a minimum. Appreciate Ollie and Lustig were ill/injured but beyond that?

however no matter who is in or out the way we play makes it easier for less talented players to negate our attacking play - its too slow.

As for the squad, remember Rodgers said when he came in he prefers to work with a small group of players, I wonder if he's rethinking that given the 11 month season and number of games?
Agree. That's a huge issue. We are too slow and pedestrian and vastly inferior players/teams have figured out how to make life difficult for us regularly.
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He needs to STOP changing the fecking team......

It has not worked this season at any point.

What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
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It's not just this season that we have to take into account, though. We played the Scottish Cup final on 25 May and were back playing on 28 June. The problems we're having are cumulative.

Scott Sinclair has played more football in the past 18 months than he did in the prior six years. 91 appearances in well under 2 seasons is the equivalent of his entire career from 2006-2013. That's an extraordinary degree of intensity, compounded by the fact that our players will have less access to our fancy sports science than they should because we're up and down the country all week.

When you only have a day or two or prepare for your next game, something invariably has to be sacrificed. There just isn't time in the day to fit in everything that you need to do. I suspect that our difficulties from injuries and incorporating backup players into the XI stems from decisions that have been made in light of this. The drive to remain unbeaten in the league while competing in three other competitions twice-over probably has a lot to do with it.

Now, none of this is new to a Celtic side chasing the double-treble, and it is the price of success in football today, and we need to manage it better. But I don't think people realise the demand that is put on players (and the manager, frankly), and the conditions that they're playing in, and I think folk who should know better succumb to "ach it's only Scottish football but, I could handle it better" line of thinking.
This post deserves highlighted, and reposted in every other topic that has degenerated into series of wrong-headed theories on how we/Brendan have lost it. I've been saying for weeks now we must look at the last 18 months as a continuum, not as a period of separate seasons; right from Red Imps the fixture schedule has been relentless, with only 2 weeks off January 2017, same again last month and 4 weeks off in the close season. In that time, our European exploits alone have accounted for:

- 2 x 6 CL qualifiers = 12 games
- 2 x 6 CL group stages = 12 games
- 2 x Zenit EL = 2 games

26 games in total so far.

Aberdeen played 6 EL qualifiers last season, 4 this year. 10 games to our 26
The huns played feck all last season, all of 2 this season. 2 games to our 26
Hibs played 2 fixtures last season, didn't qualify this season. 2 games to our 26

Our closest rivals' combined European appearances number less than half our tally, and at a significantly lower level.
Add to that our competing in every round to the finals of both Cups last year, to the LC final this season, and our squad full of international players who were away on duty - far and wide across the globe, not just to Hampden - while our rival players tended to enjoy a rest.

The demands this makes of our players must be a leveller. The accumulated mental and physical demands our players face our rivals are spared must be taken into account when assessing where we are – which is, it must be emphasised – still in a commanding position to secure a double treble and are still competing in Europe after New Year.

The stat JQH’s tells, of Sinclair playing more games in the last in 18 months than he had in his entire pre-Celtic career, is mind boggling. Every single one of us should be astonished to read that, and learn from it before the slagging off the team and manager. I mooted the possibility last month, of Celtic’s lacklustre performances perhaps being an outcome of a tactical decision to play within ourselves during league games, to seek 3 points but without expending any more energy than necessary, in order to counter the fixture congestion. I’m now absolutely certain that’s the case, and the high energy, high press dismantling of Zenit convinced me. It’s a very risky tactic that can and has backfired, but the Zenit ties, Aberdeen and the huns fixtures are the real big games, and they come on the back of what has been an almost 2 game per week schedule since the January break.

Brendan has never had to deal with such a peculiar problem in his managerial career. He’s made mistakes with tactics, team selection and player rotation, yet here we are: still in a commanding position to secure a double treble and are still competing in Europe after New Year. What has been achieved so far and what we are aiming for is unprecedented, we are all in unchartered waters – Brendan, his team us fans. We all have much to learn.
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
We will win on Sunday.
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What if we get through Thursday? Would that justify changing the team to make sure they're not burnt out for the big games coming up now at the sharp end of the season?
On a one-off occasion I don't have a problem with playing a weakened team. But you can't empty a team like that and expect anything other than we got. Changes were made last season around Euro games but not to the same extent and not with the same negative effect. Those types of performances have become the norm. As soon as we show any improvement in performance unnecessary changes are made. It's hard to fathom.
Aberdeen away, hearts at home, zenit and anderlecht away. 4 best performances of the season and after each one we changed the team, played poorly and failed to win.

It's almost as if Rodgers isn't learning from his mistakes.
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If on Sunday evening our lead is less than 9 points then as far as I'm concerned we are in a title race. Giving the supposed quality of our manager , playing squad and our finances against the rest of Scotland, it shouldn't be the case. I still think we will win it with couple games to spare but we've been poor this season, and the excuses are running out.
We will win on, Sunday.
I really hope so.
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