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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,808 Views)
FenianJack
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20 Feb 2018, 09:16 AM
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20 Feb 2018, 12:51 AM
Celtic fans in August - "Celtic need to be competing in Europe, it's the focus"
Celtic fans in February - "What's the point in competing in Europe? We're only 9 points clear of the teams we were scudding last season, Europe shouldn't be the focus"

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You know we lost 5 out of 6 games in the CL, including all three home games for the first time in our history? Wish people would stop implying we’ve sacrificed our league form for a thrilling European adventure. We’ve produced a couple of terrific displays against Anderlecht (away) and Zenit but let’s not pretend we’re breaking new ground here in Europe.
You know we are 4 or 5 games away from what no Celtic generation has ever seen ?

Only Celtic fans could greet their way through such times.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:51 AM
Celtic fans in August - "Celtic need to be competing in Europe, it's the focus"
Celtic fans in February - "What's the point in competing in Europe? We're only 9 points clear of the teams we were scudding last season, Europe shouldn't be the focus"

:twitch:

You know we lost 5 out of 6 games in the CL, including all three home games for the first time in our history? Wish people would stop implying we’ve sacrificed our league form for a thrilling European adventure. We’ve produced a couple of terrific displays against Anderlecht (away) and Zenit but let’s not pretend we’re breaking new ground here in Europe.
You know we are 4 or 5 games away from what no Celtic generation has ever seen ?

Only Celtic fans could greet their way through such times.
You want to sit where I do. Some clown on Sunday telling Brendan to get a grip or eff off !

I think drugs may have been his substance of choice, but you will always get greeting faced miserable sods in every support.
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You know we are 4 or 5 games away from what no Celtic generation has ever seen ?

Only Celtic fans could greet their way through such times.
You want to sit where I do. Some clown on Sunday telling Brendan to get a grip or eff off !

I think drugs may have been his substance of choice, but you will always get greeting faced miserable sods in every support.
I only support Celtic so I couldn’t say but you’re probably right LB. I think we do have a disproportionate number of whiners. If we lose it’s a disaster. If we win it’s a disaster if we don’t win by 4. If we win and we do win by 4 it’s a disaster in Europe. If we won consistently in Europe there would be posters on here whinging about our record in the World Club Championships

Look at the number of posters on here talking about Rodgers getting “out thought again”. The use of the word “again” as though twice in two years domestically was some kind of endemic hamartia.

If Guardiola was the Celtic manager this morning......
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19 Feb 2018, 10:25 PM

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Have we not played one game more so far this season (zenit) than we had this time last year?

And no I didn’t expect another invincible season but I’ll bet Rodgers himself didn’t expect just so many off days and points dropped
It's not just this season that we have to take into account, though. We played the Scottish Cup final on 25 May and were back playing on 28 June. The problems we're having are cumulative.

Scott Sinclair has played more football in the past 18 months than he did in the prior six years. 91 appearances in well under 2 seasons is the equivalent of his entire career from 2006-2013. That's an extraordinary degree of intensity, compounded by the fact that our players will have less access to our fancy sports science than they should because we're up and down the country all week.

When you only have a day or two or prepare for your next game, something invariably has to be sacrificed. There just isn't time in the day to fit in everything that you need to do. I suspect that our difficulties from injuries and incorporating backup players into the XI stems from decisions that have been made in light of this. The drive to remain unbeaten in the league while competing in three other competitions twice-over probably has a lot to do with it.

Now, none of this is new to a Celtic side chasing the double-treble, and it is the price of success in football today, and we need to manage it better. But I don't think people realise the demand that is put on players (and the manager, frankly), and the conditions that they're playing in, and I think folk who should know better succumb to "ach it's only Scottish football but, I could handle it better" line of thinking.
This post deserves highlighted, and reposted in every other topic that has degenerated into series of wrong-headed theories on how we/Brendan have lost it. I've been saying for weeks now we must look at the last 18 months as a continuum, not as a period of separate seasons; right from Red Imps the fixture schedule has been relentless, with only 2 weeks off January 2017, same again last month and 4 weeks off in the close season. In that time, our European exploits alone have accounted for:

- 2 x 6 CL qualifiers = 12 games
- 2 x 6 CL group stages = 12 games
- 2 x Zenit EL = 2 games

26 games in total so far.

Aberdeen played 6 EL qualifiers last season, 4 this year. 10 games to our 26
The huns played feck all last season, all of 2 this season. 2 games to our 26
Hibs played 2 fixtures last season, didn't qualify this season. 2 games to our 26

Our closest rivals' combined European appearances number less than half our tally, and at a significantly lower level.
Add to that our competing in every round to the finals of both Cups last year, to the LC final this season, and our squad full of international players who were away on duty - far and wide across the globe, not just to Hampden - while our rival players tended to enjoy a rest.

The demands this makes of our players must be a leveller. The accumulated mental and physical demands our players face our rivals are spared must be taken into account when assessing where we are – which is, it must be emphasised – still in a commanding position to secure a double treble and are still competing in Europe after New Year.

The stat JQH’s tells, of Sinclair playing more games in the last in 18 months than he had in his entire pre-Celtic career, is mind boggling. Every single one of us should be astonished to read that, and learn from it before the slagging off the team and manager. I mooted the possibility last month, of Celtic’s lacklustre performances perhaps being an outcome of a tactical decision to play within ourselves during league games, to seek 3 points but without expending any more energy than necessary, in order to counter the fixture congestion. I’m now absolutely certain that’s the case, and the high energy, high press dismantling of Zenit convinced me. It’s a very risky tactic that can and has backfired, but the Zenit ties, Aberdeen and the huns fixtures are the real big games, and they come on the back of what has been an almost 2 game per week schedule since the January break.

Brendan has never had to deal with such a peculiar problem in his managerial career. He’s made mistakes with tactics, team selection and player rotation, yet here we are: still in a commanding position to secure a double treble and are still competing in Europe after New Year. What has been achieved so far and what we are aiming for is unprecedented, we are all in unchartered waters – Brendan, his team us fans. We all have much to learn.
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i'd settle for a draw v aberdeen and win v huns - that would leave us at least 9 plus gd clear of aberdeen and 10 plus gd v hun

would not like to see this place if we lose one of these games or gf two
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The barometer of success for most is last season, when last season in reality is a once in a lifetime season. It was almost going to be impossible to replicate last seasons success (in terms of performance and going unbeaten).

Looking at this season in isolation: Only lost 2 games domestically, League cup in the bag. 9pts clear at top of league, most goals scored, least conceded, qualified for CL groups, qualified for Europa, won 1st leg so in with a good chance of qualifying for last 16, quarters of Scottish cup... all this with a fair sized chunk of the squad injured... could some of the games have seen better performances? of course! Should we be losing to Killie or Hearts? no. Should we have drawn 7 games? no. But even so, it's a fine season so far.

But comparing it to last season, a freak season, its always gonna make it look worse.
Edited by Gunner, 20 Feb 2018, 11:18 AM.
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Good post Aldo. The sheer number of competitive games is staggering. Relentless pressure as well. Must be mentally very tiring apart from anything else.
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If he's being smart and managing the squad to achieve at a minimum and we qualify on Thursday, it's been a good move. Nobody will remember poor games in February if we are in the Europa Semi in April.

If we lose on Thursday though and we've put up with poor performances for not much gain, there will be grumbles and it will be a tight call either way.

My biggest ray of hope is that come the big game last week, we were up for it. Same again this week and everything is worth it.
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It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:27 AM
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19 Feb 2018, 11:03 PM
Can count on one hand the number of good displays in all competitions this season.


Celtic 4 Hearts 1
Celtic 5 Kilmarnick 0
Rosennburg 0 Celtic 1
Celtic 5 Astanaa 0
Dundee 0 Celtic 4
Rangers 0 Celtic 2
Anderlecht 0 Celtic 3
Aberdeen 0 Celtic 3
Celtic 1 Bayern 2
St Johnstone 0 Celtic 4
Motherwell 0 Celtic 2
Celtic 5 Motherwell 1
Celtic 3 Aberdeen 0
Celtic 3 Hearts 1
Celtic 1 Zenit 0
He's fae Govan but
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20 Feb 2018, 10:53 AM
i'd settle for a draw v aberdeen and win v huns - that would leave us at least 9 plus gd clear of aberdeen and 10 plus gd v hun

would not like to see this place if we lose one of these games or gf two
If we up our game to what we're capable of we will dismantle both. That's the gamble I suppose.
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20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
Emm do you remember the 90's?

No criticism allowed
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thenakattack
20 Feb 2018, 11:32 AM
remy mcswain
20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
Emm do you remember the 90's?

No criticism allowed
he remembers the 1890's :thumbsup:
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fatboab
20 Feb 2018, 11:33 AM
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20 Feb 2018, 11:32 AM
remy mcswain
20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
Emm do you remember the 90's?

No criticism allowed
he remembers the 1890's :thumbsup:
As I recall we were quite good then.
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on Sunday , v St Johnstone, we didn't start the following players due to injury , suspension, loss of form or the dire need of a rest.

Gordon

Lustig, Boyata, Simunovic, Tierney

Forrest, Brown , Ntcham, Armstrong, Sinclair

Dembele

subs...Roberts, Griffiths, Comperr, Hayes, Bitton,


sure, it was a dull performance , and the manager didn't make good substitutions, but there are mitigating circumstances. and the 11 named above would be our starting 11 of choice if all were on form and fit. Even the subs would be our first choice subs.

This season has been hugely disappointing at times, with some almost unforgiveable results/ performances, but perspective needs to be applied, and our injury list this season has been catastrophic, meaning that we have never had a settled side. I made the tongue in cheek post about Guardiola because last night shows what football can do, even if you squad cost the GDP of an average sized continent.
Rodgers , on the back of last season, gets a bit of a freebie this year, as long as the League gets wrapped up pronto, and should we progress on Thursday, then this season will look a whole lot better on paper. It's the football that has been dull at times, but any team losing the maverick talents of Paddy Roberts, Tom Rogic and Moussa Dembele for long stretches would suffer.
I came away from last Thursday thinking we would steam roller the remainder of the domestic season now that we'd found a bit form. That's why Sunday was so disappointing. Neither the 11 on the park, nor the manager seemed to be overly bothered.
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20 Feb 2018, 11:28 AM
It’s amazing how any criticism of Rodgers equates to the team are crap and get him tar eff.

Worse than Oasis fans.

We are underperforming. It’s a fact.
It’s anazing how many people refuse to listen to any mitigation of the underperformance but repeat “we’ve got more money” like myopic parrots.
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19 Feb 2018, 11:03 PM
Can count on one hand the number of good displays in all competitions this season.


Celtic 4 Hearts 1
Celtic 5 Kilmarnick 0
Rosennburg 0 Celtic 1
Celtic 5 Astanaa 0
Dundee 0 Celtic 4
Rangers 0 Celtic 2
Anderlecht 0 Celtic 3
Aberdeen 0 Celtic 3
Celtic 1 Bayern 2
St Johnstone 0 Celtic 4
Motherwell 0 Celtic 2
Celtic 5 Motherwell 1
Celtic 3 Aberdeen 0
Celtic 3 Hearts 1
Celtic 1 Zenit 0
He's fae Govan but
:lmao:
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19 Feb 2018, 09:45 PM
Folk keep saying "the long trip to Russia".

A direct flight to St. Petersburg to Glasgow is about 3 & 15 minutes. Its not a longer European trip than the majority of other ties we will play, Glasgow to Barcelona is about 2 hours 45 minutes for comparison
Maybe more to do with the time we are away?

We don't return to Friday night, then travelling to Aberdeen Saturday.

Training in Russia on Friday.
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On the invincible run, I did wonder if we'd see burn out.
Brendan is tinkering with the team now (slightly), I wanted him to do it more last season.

I still want him to do it even more now.
Miller & Gamboa have played about 3 games between them (without checking), KT & Lustig are right up there in terms of minutes played in the whole of Europe & we've got the WC & stupid SFA trip in the summer to deal with too.

We need to rotate the squad if we are going to be playing this many games & we need to develop guys like Ralston, Miller, Hendry etc - that's going to take a while.

Chill out & watch them progress, they have to learn to deal with cloggers kicking them with impunity & try playing football the Celtic way. Ajer & KT have managed it, we'll get there & win back to back trebles while doing it....just not invincible ones (often).
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