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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,837 Views)
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Last year, even if things weren’t going well I always felt comfortable that Rodgers would change it up, either with subs or tactically, and it would win us the game. Just not as sure about that at the minute.
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We've been so pedestrian all season. I'm not sure what BR's hoping to achieve with this new style. It's more akin to an Italian team, happy to get a goal lead and then just see the game out. There's very little happening other than passing across the defensive line, into the holding midfielders and then rinse and repeat. Where's the cavalier, swashbuckling football that BR is renowned for?
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3 Feb 2018, 08:04 PM
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3 Feb 2018, 07:53 PM
A day like today, requires route 1 football. We tried to play to pretty and Killie were well organized.
We do tend to struggle this season against well organised teams - Despite our squad being supposedly strong for the SPL ( and tbf it generally is) the injury list meant there was very little in terms of game changers on our bench - There is a big difference if you have the likes of Simunovic,Rogic,Roberts,Griffiths etc to call upon.

As for Simunovic this can't play on plastic pitches is costing us in terms of personnel - It should be taken into consideration when they are looking at who to punt to replace and get dosh in.
If we had those players in full health we probably wouldn’t have lost.

On the face of it, it was a relatively new side out there.

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Out of interest how cold was it at the game? Dembeles reluctance to move may have been to avoid any muscle strains.
I imagine most of our muscle injuries are coming in cold weather as it increases the risk.
Surely that's why they do a proper warm up before the game. And it was hardly sub-zero yesterday.

No idea what his supposed lack of movement was about - maybe he was moving around and just couldn't find space? Killie were pretty deep at times yesterday - but worrying about it being cold shouldn't be an issue.
Edited by modest mouse, 4 Feb 2018, 02:00 PM.
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3 Feb 2018, 05:31 PM

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I'm only looking at last season because I think its obvious what our problem has been for the majority of the season - injuries to key creative players. I don't think us failing to score is indicative of the style of football we are playing. Thats all.

As for getting in behind - a few times in the second half and the final ball was cut out. Edouard got in, Sinclair got in, possibly Forrest at one point as well. A bit more quality and we might have scored.
If you think that we created chances and are also pinning today's defeat on an injury list, then I completely disagree. Bar Mulumbu, there wasn't a Kilmarnock player who would have made our bench, today. Their keeper had nothing to do outwith a late Ntcham free-kick. The ones you mention were barely even half chances. We struggled, big time, and not because we had too many first team players out through injury.

Rodgers isn't infallible, it's OK to say he has weaknesses.
I'm not saying they were chances - I'm saying that with a bit more quality they could have been as space had been created.

I'm not blaming an injury list on todays result either. I'm just saying that injuries to our two most creative players has had a big impact on our football this season.

I criticised his substitutions yesterday and have done many times before and I doubt it'll be the last.
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Lost the dressing room :lol:
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We've been so pedestrian all season. I'm not sure what BR's hoping to achieve with this new style. It's more akin to an Italian team, happy to get a goal lead and then just see the game out. There's very little happening other than passing across the defensive line, into the holding midfielders and then rinse and repeat. Where's the cavalier, swashbuckling football that BR is renowned for?
It’s been there this season. Astana, Aberdeen away, Huns away, Anderlecht away, Motherwell at CP, Aberdeen at home, Hearts at home and that’s just off the top of my head. We’ve played well in a lot of games.

I think the end result of last season of having three trophies and the undefeated domestic run clouded many people’s assessment of a lot of what went before it. There was plenty of times last season when the football we played was just functional and getting the job done.

Yes, I would agree that it has perhaps been a bit more pedestrian this season but we still play a lot of good stuff.
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If we had those players in full health we probably wouldn’t have lost.

On the face of it, it was a relatively new side out there.

DDV
Hendry
kouassi
Musonda


Out of interest how cold was it at the game? Dembeles reluctance to move may have been to avoid any muscle strains.
I imagine most of our muscle injuries are coming in cold weather as it increases the risk.
Surely that's why they do a proper warm up before the game. And it was hardly sub-zero yesterday.

No idea what his supposed lack of movement was about - maybe he was moving around and just couldn't find space? Killie were pretty deep at times yesterday - but worrying about it being cold shouldn't be an issue.
Not sure where he was suppose to move to?

He couldn't have dropped deep because the sections of the pitch you'd want your striker to drop into was overcrowded - even with our own players. Dembele tried to stay as central as possible in the hope that we got some joy out wide or someone was able to play him in through the middle. Strikers all over Britain having performances like that every week and the reason is mostly poor service.

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We've been so pedestrian all season. I'm not sure what BR's hoping to achieve with this new style. It's more akin to an Italian team, happy to get a goal lead and then just see the game out. There's very little happening other than passing across the defensive line, into the holding midfielders and then rinse and repeat. Where's the cavalier, swashbuckling football that BR is renowned for?
It’s been there this season. Astana, Aberdeen away, Huns away, Anderlecht away, Motherwell at CP, Aberdeen at home, Hearts at home and that’s just off the top of my head. We’ve played well in a lot of games.

I think the end result of last season of having three trophies and the undefeated domestic run clouded many people’s assessment of a lot of what went before it. There was plenty of times last season when the football we played was just functional and getting the job done.

Yes, I would agree that it has perhaps been a bit more pedestrian this season but we still play a lot of good stuff.
Our goal difference is the worst it has been at this stage since the Tony Mowbray season. In only 2 of those seasons have we scored fewer goals - the hun liquidation year and Deila's first. Our points total is down there with some of the worst of them.

People bend over backwards to defend Brendan on here at times. For the massive budgetary advantage he has over previous managers and the money he is being paid, we haven't been close to good enough this season. I think you're right about last season clouding people's judgement, but it's not in the way you're suggesting.
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4 Feb 2018, 01:52 PM
We've been so pedestrian all season. I'm not sure what BR's hoping to achieve with this new style. It's more akin to an Italian team, happy to get a goal lead and then just see the game out. There's very little happening other than passing across the defensive line, into the holding midfielders and then rinse and repeat. Where's the cavalier, swashbuckling football that BR is renowned for?
It’s been there this season. Astana, Aberdeen away, Huns away, Anderlecht away, Motherwell at CP, Aberdeen at home, Hearts at home and that’s just off the top of my head. We’ve played well in a lot of games.

I think the end result of last season of having three trophies and the undefeated domestic run clouded many people’s assessment of a lot of what went before it. There was plenty of times last season when the football we played was just functional and getting the job done.

Yes, I would agree that it has perhaps been a bit more pedestrian this season but we still play a lot of good stuff.
Our goal difference is the worst it has been at this stage since the Tony Mowbray season. In only 2 of those seasons have we scored fewer goals - the hun liquidation year and Deila's first. Our points total is down there with some of the worst of them.

People bend over backwards to defend Brendan on here at times. For the massive budgetary advantage he has over previous managers and the money he is being paid, we haven't been close to good enough this season. I think you're right about last season clouding people's judgement, but it's not in the way you're suggesting.
I'm not bending over backwards to defend him. He's got his flaws and we've had some poor results this season, particularly in Europe, but it's all relative.

The goal difference is still by far and away the best in the league to such an extent it's worth an extra point on the other teams. I don't understand how an eight point gap, a trophy in the bag and Europe after Christmas results in us being not close to good enough? As I mentioned above, we've played well in a lot of games and when the team clicks, as it did only 4 nights ago, we're a good watch.

There's plenty to be improved upon but I'm not looking buying into the not good enough stuff. He's achieved everything asked of him till this point.
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Lot of first half v St Mirren level performances this season
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Team seems to go into it's shell, quite often from starting well - I thought we started well yesterday.
We've had our break, we've got the players he wanted, it seems he's got everything he's asked for - by his own words.
just have to see where that takes us, as he's the best we've had in a while & the best we're going to have for a while.
We'll get back on track soon enough.
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4 Feb 2018, 01:18 PM
Our second league defeat under Brendan Rodgers and he’s lost the dressing room

I love KDS
In hindsight my efforts to support our previously doomed caretaker coach were always going to be fruitless. :lol:
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Team seems to go into it's shell, quite often from starting well - I thought we started well yesterday.
We've had our break, we've got the players he wanted, it seems he's got everything he's asked for - by his own words.
just have to see where that takes us, as he's the best we've had in a while & the best we're going to have for a while.
We'll get back on track soon enough.
Started well with no cutting edge and no end product. We need to get better at flying out the traps - getting an early lead or putting teams on the back foot before they are settled into the game. I remember under Tommy Burns we used to always start so brightly. obviously Tommy Burns didn't have the same success or pedigree that Brendan has but this slow plodding football is not doing him or us any favours.

I don't know if it is a lack of belief, a lack of motivation or a lack of application, but it has spread through the team. I don't think Brendan has "lost the dressing room" but I can see why people are saying that. We have been similar to Chelsea under Conte this season where we are almost thinking the game is won with us turning up. I do agree I want to see 2 up front and a change to the way our wingers are deployed in games like yesterday.

The middle of the pitch is completely congested so why are our wingers continually cutting inside into the congested area. swap them around and ask them to hit the byline and get some crosses in. We were so predictable and one paced yesterday we could have still been playing an we wouldn't have scored. I get the pitch is a mitigating factor - as is the injuries (both to players out already and also the two CB's yesterday) but the guys on the pitch could have been redeployed to ask more questions. Big failure of Brendan and the coaching staff that we continued to do the same things and funnily enough got the same results throughout the game.
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When we don’t have our creative players available we need to be more aggressive. In the main, we haven’t been.
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When we don’t have our creative players available we need to be more aggressive.
Watched and recorded the game yesterday, watched it again earlier today. Even that cretin Craigan commented that one way to get through that Killie defence was to start hitting long diagonals and test them that way. It doesn't seem to be in Brendan's way of doing things though and that's a wee bit worrying for me. Someone posted earlier that he's not changing things on the field like he did last season and that's even more worrying.
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We have wingers who don't hit the by line. Surely that's the coaching? If not they should be told they need to hit it and be more aggressive.
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When we don’t have our creative players available we need to be more aggressive.
Watched and recorded the game yesterday, watched it again earlier today. Even that cretin Craigan commented that one way to get through that Killie defence was to start hitting long diagonals and test them that way. It doesn't seem to be in Brendan's way of doing things though and that's a wee bit worrying for me. Someone posted earlier that he's not changing things on the field like he did last season and that's even more worrying.
It’s broadfoot and Greer at the back, a combined age of around 70 which is around the same time in minutes it takes them to turn. They barely broke sweat yesterday, it’s up to Rodgers to find the way of getting the play up and around them, passing back the way or trying to get through the already congested midfield won’t work all the time.

How he does that is up to him, he gets paid plenty to figure it out.

No one expected the same as last season but anyone who thinks a delia points total is good enough with what we are shelling out is at it.
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When we don’t have our creative players available we need to be more aggressive.
Watched and recorded the game yesterday, watched it again earlier today. Even that cretin Craigan commented that one way to get through that Killie defence was to start hitting long diagonals and test them that way. It doesn't seem to be in Brendan's way of doing things though and that's a wee bit worrying for me. Someone posted earlier that he's not changing things on the field like he did last season and that's even more worrying.
It’s broadfoot and Greer at the back, a combined age of around 70 which is around the same time in minutes it takes them to turn. They barely broke sweat yesterday, it’s up to Rodgers to find the way of getting the play up and around them, passing back the way or trying to get through the already congested midfield won’t work all the time.

How he does that is up to him, he gets paid plenty to figure it out.

No one expected the same as last season but anyone who thinks a delia points total is good enough with what we are shelling out is at it.
2 domestic defeats. Top of the league by a few points, in the Scottish Cup, already won the League Cup but something is really really wrong ... DEAR GOD THERE IT IS - the "Delia Points Total"

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At it. Fantastic.
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I feel a real reluctance from Rodgers to change things up.

It's so clearly obvious when our style isn't working and it seems we've no plan B.
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I feel a real reluctance from Rodgers to change things up.

As I said in my earlier post, that's the worrying thing for me. Then again, BR's probably got a lot more patience ( and football nous) than me. :lol:
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