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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,840 Views)
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3 Feb 2018, 05:27 PM
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Dealt with it easier??

We didn't have a shot on target until 89 minutes.....we asked very few questions of that Killie defence today.
We got in behind a few times and the final ball was pish.

They'd have ate up the long ball.

People are so quick to have a go at the style of play when we don't score but it doesnt mean aimlessly lumping it forward when we only had one guy in the front 7 capable of winning a header on the park is what we should have done.
I genuinely cannot remember 1 occassion when we got in behind. Not 1!

No one is saying about a long ball.....just more direct - get the ball forward more quickly
Edited by Tubbytubthumper, 3 Feb 2018, 05:31 PM.
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3 Feb 2018, 05:19 PM
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3 Feb 2018, 05:09 PM
Everybody is allowed to make mistakes. Rodgers made one today and he'll learn from it.

Some of the comments I heard at the game were unbelievable. The best though was "Rodgers style of football is shampooe and we're going backwards playing it.
I am in no way agreeing with the comments you heard at the game however, depending on what you think the "mistake" was, it could be argued that he has made it numerous times in the past and has repeatedly failed to learn. By refusing to ever try and grind out a win through a more direct approach, he makes it very easy for organised teams to shut us out.

This season:

Rosenborg at home.
Ross County away (needed a Griffiths free-kick out of nothing to take the points).
Hearts away.
Huns at home.
Killie away.

There's sticking to a philosophy and then there's not learning. Sometimes instead of repeatedly trying to run through or round the side of a wall, try going over it.
His mistake for me was not going to a 4-3-3 after Boyatas injury.

Instead of using this season as an example when the majority of our creative players or forwards have been injured you might be best looking at how many times we were shut out last season.

Rodgers style of football won us an undefeated treble and we are on course to win another treble - we are by no means going "backwards" from what was in place before he arrived.

edit - also, going back to front is a dream for SPFL defences. They'd have dealt with that easier.
Sorry bud, I'll look at this season, because great though it was last season is done, and means nothing regarding our development going forward; it's nice to look back on but it's finished.

Again, I agree with you RE the going backwards comments, that is over the top.

That said, I disagree with your final point; I don't think it's possible for Killie to have had it much easier today. You have a big guy up there and if you load the box every now and then you might get a lucky knock down and a chance; today we didn't really have one of note.
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No plan B

Fair enough, we rarely needed one last year, but this year the players don't have the same urgency, work rate or desire and we aren't creative enough to open packed defences with the tippy tappy style he has us playing. No-one plays a probing pass when Rogic isn't on the pitch. Need more options tactically.
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His mistake for me was not going to a 4-3-3 after Boyatas injury.

Instead of using this season as an example when the majority of our creative players or forwards have been injured you might be best looking at how many times we were shut out last season.

Rodgers style of football won us an undefeated treble and we are on course to win another treble - we are by no means going "backwards" from what was in place before he arrived.

edit - also, going back to front is a dream for SPFL defences. They'd have dealt with that easier.
Sorry bud, I'll look at this season, because great though it was last season is done, and means nothing regarding our development going forward; it's nice to look back on but it's finished.

Again, I agree with you RE the going backwards comments, that is over the top.

That said, I disagree with your final point; I don't think it's possible for Killie to have had it much easier today. You have a big guy up there and if you load the box every now and then you might get a lucky knock down and a chance; today we didn't really have one of note.
I'm only looking at last season because I think its obvious what our problem has been for the majority of the season - injuries to key creative players. I don't think us failing to score is indicative of the style of football we are playing. Thats all.

As for getting in behind - a few times in the second half and the final ball was cut out. Edouard got in, Sinclair got in, possibly Forrest at one point as well. A bit more quality and we might have scored.
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valiantbhoy
3 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Probably not allowed to criticise Rodgers but it certainly looks like he’s lost the dressing room.
What was Tuesday then, an aberration?
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3 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
If this team goes into the split with a 3 or 4 point lead which isn’t unreasonable given some performancies then it really is squeaky bum time.
Gets paid in year more than many of us will see ina lifetime and needs to earn it now. That today was like watching a Brady team
:lol: :lol: :lol: ive heard it all now :ffs: honestly
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3 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Probably not allowed to criticise Rodgers but it certainly looks like he’s lost the dressing room.
What was Tuesday then, an aberration?
A blip. Unfortunately.

I don't think he has lost the dressing room, I think he has a several players who think they are too good for this league/club/country.
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3 Feb 2018, 05:36 PM
No plan B

Fair enough, we rarely needed one last year, but this year the players don't have the same urgency, work rate or desire and we aren't creative enough to open packed defences with the tippy tappy style he has us playing. No-one plays a probing pass when Rogic isn't on the pitch. Need more options tactically.
To be fair, plan a is rogic, who is injured,
plan b is Roberts, who is injured, and we have brought in a plan c in Charly who is just in the door.

The injuries this year have been chronic and are undoubtedly having an effect.

Rogic/Roberts would likely have got us a goal today if they were fit, we would have won 1-0 and went away saying scrappy performance but that is why we are champions.
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It's a head scratcher. On one hand we had last season on the other hand when it was Ronny Delia delivering these performances I was effing furious
Edited by lepetitmerde, 3 Feb 2018, 06:22 PM.
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3 Feb 2018, 05:48 PM
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3 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Probably not allowed to criticise Rodgers but it certainly looks like he’s lost the dressing room.
What was Tuesday then, an aberration?
A blip. Unfortunately.

I don't think he has lost the dressing room, I think he has a several players who think they are too good for this league/club/country.
So a good performance at home in a 3-1 win is a 'blip' and the second defeat domestically is, what exactly?

Even discussing this is an utter joke.

Today was the exception to the rule when you look at our form over the past 18 months.
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We need to change things up at times - 2 central upfront with the odd long/direct ball to dembele.
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3 Feb 2018, 06:28 PM
We need to change things up at times - 2 central upfront with the odd long/direct ball to dembele.
i actually think we need to stop changing things up and stick with the 433 4231
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We now Have a full 11 out injured when these players are back we will be back to our best as the players know if they don't perform there out the side
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3 Feb 2018, 06:22 PM
It's a head scratcher. On one hand we had last season on the other hand when it was Ronny Delia delivering these performances I was effing furious
Really?

Tell me again how many trebles and CL qualications the bold Ronnie managed? :lol:

Against packed defences we players who can beat their immediate opponent to break the defensive organisation or have players making driving runs from midfield. We have lost Roberts and Hayes who can do the former and Rogic and Armstrong who can do the latter. Those losses and Dembele and Griffiths injuries, plus Sinclair loss of form mean we can struggle, especially on a crap surface against a well organised defence.

There is no comparison between Rodgers and Ronnie and to suggest ortherwise is pure bonkers :lol:
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3 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Probably not allowed to criticise Rodgers but it certainly looks like he’s lost the dressing room.
You must've been hellish disappointed at the result from the swamp today,eh? Or were you there?
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It's a head scratcher. On one hand we had last season on the other hand when it was Ronny Delia delivering these performances I was effing furious
Really?

Tell me again how many trebles and CL qualications the bold Ronnie managed? :lol:

Against packed defences we players who can beat their immediate opponent to break the defensive organisation or have players making driving runs from midfield. We have lost Roberts and Hayes who can do the former and Rogic and Armstrong who can do the latter. Those losses and Dembele and Griffiths injuries, plus Sinclair loss of form mean we can struggle, especially on a crap surface against a well organised defence.

There is no comparison between Rodgers and Ronnie and to suggest ortherwise is pure bonkers :lol:
There is a lot of comparisons to the performances this season. Like it or not the performances this season have not been good on the whole.

You can blame injuries all you want but if we don't have the players available to play a certain way/formation then change it.

It's perfectly acceptable to say he's allowed performance and standards to drop this season



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In his first few months his decisions during the game would positively influence the result in our favour if we were toiling. Doesn't seem to have as big a hit rate with his tactical choices these days
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3 Feb 2018, 06:46 PM
In his first few months his decisions during the game would positively influence the result in our favour if we were toiling. Doesn't seem to have as big a hit rate with his tactical choices these days
Bringing Griffiths on at HT against Thistle for a right back and turning a 1-0 into a 1-2?
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In his first few months his decisions during the game would positively influence the result in our favour if we were toiling. Doesn't seem to have as big a hit rate with his tactical choices these days
Bringing Griffiths on at HT against Thistle for a right back and turning a 1-0 into a 1-2?
Aye that was just a fluke :lol:
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It's a head scratcher. On one hand we had last season on the other hand when it was Ronny Delia delivering these performances I was effing furious
Really?

Tell me again how many trebles and CL qualications the bold Ronnie managed? :lol:

Against packed defences we players who can beat their immediate opponent to break the defensive organisation or have players making driving runs from midfield. We have lost Roberts and Hayes who can do the former and Rogic and Armstrong who can do the latter. Those losses and Dembele and Griffiths injuries, plus Sinclair loss of form mean we can struggle, especially on a crap surface against a well organised defence.

There is no comparison between Rodgers and Ronnie and to suggest ortherwise is pure bonkers :lol:
There is a lot of comparisons to the performances this season. Like it or not the performances this season have not been good on the whole.

You can blame injuries all you want but if we don't have the players available to play a certain way/formation then change it.

It's perfectly acceptable to say he's allowed performance and standards to drop this season



You do realise that last season was exceptional?
Or have we become so Hun like that we expect to win every game?
The manager deserves some criticism as do the players involved today however if we win the treble again and have had European football after Christmas then that’ll do this bear :lol:
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