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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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jamiebhoy76
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jebus82
31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 11:25 AM
He needs to start the team working on set pieces. Our corners are rarely a threat our throw ins are completely laughable. With everyone standing about feart like a 12 year old boy at a school ceilidh
the floated corners drive me round the bend, last year we hit them with power and curve into a designated area, is it rodgers telling the players to do this now? Even yesterday when griffiths came on you thought finally no more pishy armstrong floated corners, griffiths then proceeds to float them in :brickwall: :brickwall:

its so easy to defend a floated corner, the defender has all the time to adjust and head it away, the GK has all the time in the world to come out and claim it and if your player does manage to get his head on it the only real option is to head it back across as you just cant generate the required power to beat the GK.

If it is a tactical instruction why cant they see it just doesnt work :ponder:
Our scoring from corners is mince, as is the delivery a large part of the time.
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31 Dec 2017, 02:56 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 11:25 AM
He needs to start the team working on set pieces. Our corners are rarely a threat our throw ins are completely laughable. With everyone standing about feart like a 12 year old boy at a school ceilidh
the floated corners drive me round the bend, last year we hit them with power and curve into a designated area, is it rodgers telling the players to do this now? Even yesterday when griffiths came on you thought finally no more pishy armstrong floated corners, griffiths then proceeds to float them in :brickwall: :brickwall:

its so easy to defend a floated corner, the defender has all the time to adjust and head it away, the GK has all the time in the world to come out and claim it and if your player does manage to get his head on it the only real option is to head it back across as you just cant generate the required power to beat the GK.

If it is a tactical instruction why cant they see it just doesnt work :ponder:
Our scoring from corners is mince, as is the delivery a large part of the time.
What really annoyed me yesterday was the unwillingness of players to look for the ball at throw ins or free kicks. We are dire at corners and incontinence even get excited when we get one now as I know they will come to nothing.Surely we can work on this at training :(
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weebaldy
31 Dec 2017, 04:02 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM

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Our scoring from corners is mince, as is the delivery a large part of the time.
What really annoyed me yesterday was the unwillingness of players to look for the ball at throw ins or free kicks. We are dire at corners and incontinence even get excited when we get one now as I know they will come to nothing.Surely we can work on this at training :(
Doesn't WC take care of that at training?
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31 Dec 2017, 04:02 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM

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Our scoring from corners is mince, as is the delivery a large part of the time.
What really annoyed me yesterday was the unwillingness of players to look for the ball at throw ins or free kicks. We are dire at corners and incontinence even get excited when we get one now as I know they will come to nothing.Surely we can work on this at training :(
We seem to be more (or at least equally) focused on limiting breakaway opportunities from corners than scoring from them.

Stattos out there would back this up but teams are very vulnerable defensively when taking corners. They mostly vacate their own backline and shove bodies in the box. I'm not sure about the overall percentages but I'm certain I read that corners are, over the piece, a low percentage goalscoring opportunity.

We're just not big on corners under BR and unlikely to be so. We seem to play a lot of big looping crosses to the back post and look for the knock down. I don't know why but I'm sure BR could explain with the precision of a neurosurgeon.
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31 Dec 2017, 04:25 PM
They mostly vacate their own backline and shove bodies in the box. I'm not sure about the overall percentages but I'm certain I read that corners are, over the piece, a low percentage goalscoring opportunity
It seems to be about 3% of corners that lead to goals. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
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31 Dec 2017, 04:28 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 04:25 PM
They mostly vacate their own backline and shove bodies in the box. I'm not sure about the overall percentages but I'm certain I read that corners are, over the piece, a low percentage goalscoring opportunity
It seems to be about 3% of corners that lead to goals. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
Might be a vicious circle type thing. Nobody trains them because they don't lead to goals but could be cos nobody trains them that they don't lead to them. Leeds have just employed a fella who works solely on them.
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Under Oneill.every time we got a corner or a free kick near the box i thought wed score.
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31 Dec 2017, 06:59 PM
Under Oneill.every time we got a corner or a free kick near the box i thought wed score.
It helps when you’ve got a team of man mountains.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:07 PM
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Under Oneill.every time we got a corner or a free kick near the box i thought wed score.
It helps when you’ve got a team of man mountains.
And lubo/Thompson.
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It bothers me that our players don't seem to make themselves instantly available to Craig Gordon when he has just caught the ball. The number of times he had no immediate outlet yesterday was particularly frustrating.

One of the features of Man Utd's success under Ferguson was Schmeichel's abilty to throw the ball wide to a winger or full back as soon as he had caught the ball, instantly turning defence into attack and catching opposition teams unprepared. Yesterday we allowed the huns to regroup and organise while Gordon still had the ball. It is maddening.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:12 PM
It bothers me that our players don't seem to make themselves instantly available to Craig Gordon when he has just caught the ball. The number of times he had no immediate outlet yesterday was particularly frustrating.

One of the features of Man Utd's success under Ferguson was Schmeichel's abilty to throw the ball wide to a winger or full back as soon as he had caught the ball, instantly turning defence into attack and catching opposition teams unprepared. Yesterday we allowed the huns to regroup and organise while Gordon still had the ball. It is maddening.
Schmeichal to giggs was deadly. kanchelskis tae.
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Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
This problem is only going to continue too, so we really need to find a way to manage it better.

Helps highlight the issue for people who don't accept "tiredness" as any kind of justification for our underperformance. We seem to be physically and mentally drained, and 2 weeks in January/4 weeks in June are nowhere near enough of a break. And that's before we even factor in international tournaments.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
That’s quite incredible & certainly has taken its toll. 3 of those players also played for Scotland v England & that fixture basically knocked a fortnight off an already short summer break for 6 of our squad.
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moravcik67
31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
That's interesting but I think what it shows more than anything is that we're reliant on those particular guys due to our lack of depth in their positions.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:53 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
That's interesting but I think what it shows more than anything is that we're reliant on those particular guys due to our lack of depth in their positions.
:thumbsup: Lennon had Lustig playing brilliantly when he subbed him every game to keep him fit. Deila played him every game, and although his fitness seemed to improve, his performance fell off a cliff. Started well under Rodgers, but this season far too much is being asked of him.

Tierney'a nowhere near as consistent either, probably because he's getting run into the ground.

Madness.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
Aye but Sinclair is a coward who has plenty of time to rest so he has no excuse.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:47 PM
Our squad management is something that needs looked at. To paraphrase what I bunged up on Twitter there...

Including Internationals, Kieran Tierney has played more minutes (3,607) in 17/18 than any other outfield player in any European top tier league. That equates to 40 full matches in 169 days, or 1 game every ~4 days since July. Only Craig Gordon (3,780) has played more minutes. Broony (3,220 minutes) and Lustig (3,137 minutes) are next up, before you even get to the first non-Celtic player on the list, Salzburg's Valon Berisha (2,984 minutes) - that's 7 games worth less than Tierney has played. Given what we expect from our full backs - a bombing up and down the wing for 90 minutes - and how important it is to our style of play, Tierney and Lustig have played way too much football so far this season. Incidentally, Forrest (2,678) and Sinclair (2,598) are the next Celtic players.

Mourinho was talking about how tired Lukaku was. Tierney has played 8.5 more games than him so far.
The number of games we are playing is worrying and we do need to manage the squad better, which includes having strength in depth. But there needs to be a balance between limiting games and upsetting the rhythm of the team. I feel that, in certain positions, we have rotated players too much. Central midfield and up front being the two areas we have chopped and changed. Most strikers need a run of games to get up to speed and since we’ve had 3 strikers to choose from, we’ve had no consistency in selection, which is bound to impact on their form. I don’t know what the best formula is but something we need to address as well as being able to rest Tierney, Lustig and Brown at the right time.
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What was the game, Kilmarnock away early season before a CL qualifier maybe, we played all youngsters and they were brilliant. Why haven’t we done that more?
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31 Dec 2017, 08:15 PM
What was the game, Kilmarnock away early season before a CL qualifier maybe, we played all youngsters and they were brilliant. Why haven’t we done that more?
League Cup? Tierney scored a thunderbastard from about 60 yards.
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