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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,873 Views)
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18 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given.
i dont think it can possibly argued he hasnt done that to the absolute maximum.

its bringing in his own signings to improve us now that he needs to do
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Anyone who thinks that the board has backed Rodgers to the full has obviously never had any business dealings with Peter Lawwell.
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18 Dec 2017, 01:41 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 01:40 PM
Every coach of Celtic should get an opportunity to build there own side.

I don't think there is any chance of seeing wholesale changes with a huge turnover of players but if Brendan for example wants a GK, RB, CB, and a striker done in the next two windows he should get that. His owed that considering what his achieved.
What about all the money that's been spent giving players new contracts? Does that not count for part of the budget?

It would appear we're selling them all anyway. :lol:
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18 Dec 2017, 02:22 PM
Anyone who thinks that the board has backed Rodgers to the full has obviously never had any business dealings with Peter Lawwell.
Have you?
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18 Dec 2017, 02:22 PM
Anyone who thinks that the board has backed Rodgers to the full has obviously never had any business dealings with Peter Lawwell.
you want to explain what that means? What kind of dealings have you had with Lawwell that would give you an insight into how the Board have backed the manager or not, as you suggest?
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18 Dec 2017, 02:20 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given.
i dont think it can possibly argued he hasnt done that to the absolute maximum.

its bringing in his own signings to improve us now that he needs to do
I'm not saying he hasn't. A number of posts here are calling for BR to be backed and that the reason we lost is because we don't have the personnel. He is backed, I imagine that will continue and while we always aspire to greater and greater potential, there's a stone cold reality to managing Celtic.

He has brought in Hayes, Sinclair, Dembele, Edouard, Kouassi, Ntcham, DeVries Gamboa, Roberts (The second time) and now probably Commper. He re-upped Lustig, Brown, Jozo, Gordon, Armstrong, Tierney, Forrest and Rogic. I imagine that was because he wanted them. Apparently we have actively looked to add Boyata to that list. This is no longer Deilas or Lennons team, far from it. These are the guys BR wanted and while we should always be looking to improve, it's a fantasy to say this isn't BRs team. It is.
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I don't think he's dropped players he should have.
Jozo has cost us a few goals directly, he should've been dropped for either Bitton or Ajer - both have done well when asked.
Gordon for DDV, at least to make a point.

He should IMO be rotating the other squad/development guys to better rest the 1st team.
So many games in recent months, with very little rotation - is a mistake for me.

I'd be happy to see us play the LC in an Arsenal style, with the development/back up players. It comes when we've had qualifiers & league games + other Euro games should we get there. I'd be perfectly fine with playing a massively rotated squad in the LC, which would also give us more development opportunities for guys who've not really had games: Ralston, Miller, Ajer, DDV, Eboue, Edouard etc..

Eboue in particular has been a complete ghost, but appeared from the stands to be decent & in need of games - bizarre.

Brendan is great, I'm a huge fan, I hope this unbeaten run can be put away now & he can concentrate on what he says he wants to do - develop players. I'm hoping to see many more changes now.
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18 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given. Deila was given pelters for his system and not working with what he had.
And Rodgers hasn't? :lol:

Deila got pelters because he wanted high pressing, possession based football and 2/3rds of his midfield was Charlie Mulgrew and Kris Commons.
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18 Dec 2017, 02:41 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given. Deila was given pelters for his system and not working with what he had.
And Rodgers hasn't? :lol:

Deila got pelters because he wanted high pressing, possession based football and 2/3rds of his midfield was Charlie Mulgrew and Kris Commons.
I didnt say he hasnt ffs. Read.
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17 Dec 2017, 11:47 PM
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17 Dec 2017, 04:45 PM
We won;t get a better manager than Rodgers. Not in a million years. He's not the bloody Messiah though.
Correct

More than a few mistakes this season but and its a effin big but

He is as close to the messiah we are going to get

And given what he has delivered on the park and into the coffers of the club

HE SHOULD BE EFFIN BACKED

Part of backing him is allowing him to get some wrong which every manager does

He was not backed in summer

And good players will not stick around for extra 6 months or 12 if we are getting pumped cause back 4 and keeper haven't changed in 3 years and are effing up repeatedly

Effin accountants
Has Brendan said he wasn't backed or is this the usual blame the board knee jerking ?
The latter I think.
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18 Dec 2017, 02:34 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:20 PM
Bawman
18 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given.
i dont think it can possibly argued he hasnt done that to the absolute maximum.

its bringing in his own signings to improve us now that he needs to do
I'm not saying he hasn't. A number of posts here are calling for BR to be backed and that the reason we lost is because we don't have the personnel. He is backed, I imagine that will continue and while we always aspire to greater and greater potential, there's a stone cold reality to managing Celtic.

He has brought in Hayes, Sinclair, Dembele, Edouard, Kouassi, Ntcham, DeVries Gamboa, Roberts (The second time) and now probably Commper. He re-upped Lustig, Brown, Jozo, Gordon, Armstrong, Tierney, Forrest and Rogic. I imagine that was because he wanted them. Apparently we have actively looked to add Boyata to that list. This is no longer Deilas or Lennons team, far from it. These are the guys BR wanted and while we should always be looking to improve, it's a fantasy to say this isn't BRs team. It is.
Fair points

On the new deals for existing players I'd say only Gordon's could have been challenged at time as not good management

On players brought in dembele I understand was scouted/agreed before BR although he may have signed off

Of the rest Sinclair Roberts and ntcham represent significant outlays - obv combined the others do too

However in comparison to what he has brought in in funds for the club I don't think he has been fully backed

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19 Dec 2017, 07:59 AM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:34 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:20 PM

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I'm not saying he hasn't. A number of posts here are calling for BR to be backed and that the reason we lost is because we don't have the personnel. He is backed, I imagine that will continue and while we always aspire to greater and greater potential, there's a stone cold reality to managing Celtic.

He has brought in Hayes, Sinclair, Dembele, Edouard, Kouassi, Ntcham, DeVries Gamboa, Roberts (The second time) and now probably Commper. He re-upped Lustig, Brown, Jozo, Gordon, Armstrong, Tierney, Forrest and Rogic. I imagine that was because he wanted them. Apparently we have actively looked to add Boyata to that list. This is no longer Deilas or Lennons team, far from it. These are the guys BR wanted and while we should always be looking to improve, it's a fantasy to say this isn't BRs team. It is.
Fair points

On the new deals for existing players I'd say only Gordon's could have been challenged at time as not good management

On players brought in dembele I understand was scouted/agreed before BR although he may have signed off

Of the rest Sinclair Roberts and ntcham represent significant outlays - obv combined the others do too

However in comparison to what he has brought in in funds for the club I don't think he has been fully backed

At the time of signing the new deal, March, Gordon had 22 clean sheets and looked to have gotten back to top form after a ropey start to last season. I still think he won't be here next season.
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19 Dec 2017, 07:59 AM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:34 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:20 PM

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I'm not saying he hasn't. A number of posts here are calling for BR to be backed and that the reason we lost is because we don't have the personnel. He is backed, I imagine that will continue and while we always aspire to greater and greater potential, there's a stone cold reality to managing Celtic.

He has brought in Hayes, Sinclair, Dembele, Edouard, Kouassi, Ntcham, DeVries Gamboa, Roberts (The second time) and now probably Commper. He re-upped Lustig, Brown, Jozo, Gordon, Armstrong, Tierney, Forrest and Rogic. I imagine that was because he wanted them. Apparently we have actively looked to add Boyata to that list. This is no longer Deilas or Lennons team, far from it. These are the guys BR wanted and while we should always be looking to improve, it's a fantasy to say this isn't BRs team. It is.
Fair points

On the new deals for existing players I'd say only Gordon's could have been challenged at time as not good management

On players brought in dembele I understand was scouted/agreed before BR although he may have signed off

Of the rest Sinclair Roberts and ntcham represent significant outlays - obv combined the others do too

However in comparison to what he has brought in in funds for the club I don't think he has been fully backed

£2m Desso added to the signings he's made and renewal of plenty of contracts - no doubt on improved wages.

MON did the same by rewarding the players he had instead of breaking the bank after his first season. Total control of football operations, travel etc.

He's been backed better than any other manager since MON
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18 Dec 2017, 08:17 AM
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17 Dec 2017, 11:47 PM
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17 Dec 2017, 07:50 PM

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Has Brendan said he wasn't backed or is this the usual blame the board knee jerking ?
It's far from knee jerking

Astana was a shambles because the business BR wanted done in January wasn't

Bitton at centre half 😂 because we've no one else

Games where we had no striker

We've shown no progress in quality of play in Europe at all

And why should we - BR has wrung everything he could out of Gordon boyata jozo Armstrong - none of whom are strong enough for Europe

Lustig is a great servant but looks dead on his feet
And we are risking tierney because he has to play all the time
Mcgregor br has developed to his max
And everyone can see griffiths isn't performing
Dembele will want away sooner rather than later

The time to strengthen and prevent what has happened this season was Jan last year and summer

Instead we are treading water and look knackered
The money is there - more than we've ever had as a result of one person and one only BR

Was he backed to qualify - was he eff
Instead we get an effin hotel project
The board have always reverted to complacency as soon as the heat is off them
And that's reflected on the park
they should be delivering sufficient volume and quality of players so that BR can move others on and bed in new players

FFS! I'm away to cut my throat. :(
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18 Dec 2017, 02:31 PM
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18 Dec 2017, 02:22 PM
Anyone who thinks that the board has backed Rodgers to the full has obviously never had any business dealings with Peter Lawwell.
you want to explain what that means? What kind of dealings have you had with Lawwell that would give you an insight into how the Board have backed the manager or not, as you suggest?
This should be good. :lol:
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19 Dec 2017, 10:31 AM
He's been backed better than any other manager since MON
Not much competition to be fair!
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19 Dec 2017, 11:09 AM
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19 Dec 2017, 10:31 AM
He's been backed better than any other manager since MON
Not much competition to be fair!
Apart from the guy after him who ended up with a higher wage bill and was cutting about signing guys from Real Madrid and AC Milan and that?
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19 Dec 2017, 10:31 AM
He's been backed better than any other manager since MON
Not much competition to be fair!
And as a percentage of income to spend, I doubt he's anywhere near MoN's level of backing.

Not to forget the quality players that O'Neill inherited, compared to Ronnie the Rocket's.

Time to back the manager; go big or go back!
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19 Dec 2017, 10:31 AM
He's been backed better than any other manager since MON
Not much competition to be fair!
Apart from the guy after him who ended up with a higher wage bill and was cutting about signing guys from Real Madrid and AC Milan and that?
True. I was thinking more in comparison to Deila, completely forgetting about anything before that.
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Apart from the guy after him who ended up with a higher wage bill and was cutting about signing guys from Real Madrid and AC Milan and that?
True. I was thinking more in comparison to Deila, completely forgetting about anything before that.
Mhogga signed about 35 players and got Robbie Keane flung in as well.
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