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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,874 Views)
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Pretty sure we had a deal lined up for a CH in summer (apart from the SA youngster) that fell through when the agent doubled wage demands last minute?

Hopefully BR gets backed - I'm sure he will, I don't think Lawwell wants to lose him as he's bringing in more than he costs so even for bean counter it makes sense.

Prioritising the right positions at this point can see us improve dramatically. If he gets a CH and a keeper that can play with his feet. :pray: If we get this 32 year old German it might even be the case that he can bring Ajer through games better than our current CHs. I'd quite happily sell Boyata and Jozo right now, if got 4-5m for them we can actually improve the team and make money to improve other areas.
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Has Brendan said he wasn't backed or is this the usual blame the board knee jerking ?
It's a blame the board without actually naming the board.
Or without looking at anything objectively. From a!l appearances Rodgers targets in the summer were Roberts, ntcham, Hayes (100% his),, the south African lad and keeping Armstrong. He got a budget of over £15 million to do that. effectively he got all those apart from the south African kid and that was down to injury. At the end he also got the boy edouard as well. He was well 'backed'. Not the boards fault we haven't dropped a bit from last year.
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nowonder
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17 Dec 2017, 04:45 PM
We won;t get a better manager than Rodgers. Not in a million years. He's not the bloody Messiah though.
Correct

More than a few mistakes this season but and its a effin big but

He is as close to the messiah we are going to get

And given what he has delivered on the park and into the coffers of the club

HE SHOULD BE EFFIN BACKED

Part of backing him is allowing him to get some wrong which every manager does

He was not backed in summer

And good players will not stick around for extra 6 months or 12 if we are getting pumped cause back 4 and keeper haven't changed in 3 years and are effing up repeatedly

Effin accountants
Has Brendan said he wasn't backed or is this the usual blame the board knee jerking ?
It's far from knee jerking

Astana was a shambles because the business BR wanted done in January wasn't

Bitton at centre half 😂 because we've no one else

Games where we had no striker

We've shown no progress in quality of play in Europe at all

And why should we - BR has wrung everything he could out of Gordon boyata jozo Armstrong - none of whom are strong enough for Europe

Lustig is a great servant but looks dead on his feet
And we are risking tierney because he has to play all the time
Mcgregor br has developed to his max
And everyone can see griffiths isn't performing
Dembele will want away sooner rather than later

The time to strengthen and prevent what has happened this season was Jan last year and summer

Instead we are treading water and look knackered
The money is there - more than we've ever had as a result of one person and one only BR

Was he backed to qualify - was he eff
Instead we get an effin hotel project
The board have always reverted to complacency as soon as the heat is off them
And that's reflected on the park
they should be delivering sufficient volume and quality of players so that BR can move others on and bed in new players

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Hear, Hear!!

Same old, same old.

It's almost as if (well I never) they expect the push to do the Ten to be enough incentive to keep the fancustomer base onside, and the revenues rolling in...

What's the point of spending top dollar on a management team when you don't push the boat out (even a wee bit) on the first team players we so desperately require :nono:
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Was hard to take the defeat yesterday. However it has been coming for some time. Our performances have dipped (I've said earlier that our players have been mentally jaded for some time). I personally think that Brendan would have set targets for the players that were un-achievable and this was perhaps getting to them.

The defeat allows us to be more objective in our criticism of the team and even Brendan. I personally think that while the run was going on folk were scared to voice genuine concerns. I also think that there was too much of a love-in with those who have an online voice (podcasters in particular) and Brendan. But I can forgive that given what we have achieved.

If ever there was a time for the defeat to happen then slap bang before the January window and before we have a tie for Europe is perfect.

To finish on a positive I also think the defeat allows last season to stand proudly in isolation. Strange as it may seem I thought this season was taking the gloss off it. Yes we were undefeated but our performances are a shadow of those last season. That season now stands alone.
Edited by ballbhoy, 18 Dec 2017, 08:53 AM.
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Most of the blame for yesterday has to be on the players. They can all play better than that, regardless of any mistakes that the manager might have made. Brendan Rodgers wasn't the one who couldn't control a ball or pass to a team-mate yesterday.

Where I think Rodgers does need to be criticised for yesterday is the total lack of shape in the second half as we were chasing the game. Pretty sure we've never, ever, played with three strikers under him before. No-one knew wtf they were supposed to be doing. It was a computer game substitution where you put all your best attacking players on the pitch at once and just hope for the best. For someone who's usually very good at making the right changes when they need to be made, it was a really bizarre move to make.
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18 Dec 2017, 09:15 AM
Most of the blame for yesterday has to be on the players. They can all play better than that, regardless of any mistakes that the manager might have made. Brendan Rodgers wasn't the one who couldn't control a ball or pass to a team-mate yesterday.

Where I think Rodgers does need to be criticised for yesterday is the total lack of shape in the second half as we were chasing the game. Pretty sure we've never, ever, played with three strikers under him before. No-one knew wtf they were supposed to be doing. It was a computer game substitution where you put all your best attacking players on the pitch at once and just hope for the best. For someone who's usually very good at making the right changes when they need to be made, it was a really bizarre move to make.
They were unusual circumstances, he panicked a bit. Its understandable in a way.
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SaMule
18 Dec 2017, 09:15 AM
Most of the blame for yesterday has to be on the players. They can all play better than that, regardless of any mistakes that the manager might have made. Brendan Rodgers wasn't the one who couldn't control a ball or pass to a team-mate yesterday.

Where I think Rodgers does need to be criticised for yesterday is the total lack of shape in the second half as we were chasing the game. Pretty sure we've never, ever, played with three strikers under him before. No-one knew wtf they were supposed to be doing. It was a computer game substitution where you put all your best attacking players on the pitch at once and just hope for the best. For someone who's usually very good at making the right changes when they need to be made, it was a really bizarre move to make.
They were unusual circumstances, he panicked a bit. Its understandable in a way.
Maybe so, but panic is not something you ever want to see your manager doing.
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18 Dec 2017, 09:42 AM
MILLIGANS ISLAND
18 Dec 2017, 09:34 AM
SaMule
18 Dec 2017, 09:15 AM
Most of the blame for yesterday has to be on the players. They can all play better than that, regardless of any mistakes that the manager might have made. Brendan Rodgers wasn't the one who couldn't control a ball or pass to a team-mate yesterday.

Where I think Rodgers does need to be criticised for yesterday is the total lack of shape in the second half as we were chasing the game. Pretty sure we've never, ever, played with three strikers under him before. No-one knew wtf they were supposed to be doing. It was a computer game substitution where you put all your best attacking players on the pitch at once and just hope for the best. For someone who's usually very good at making the right changes when they need to be made, it was a really bizarre move to make.
They were unusual circumstances, he panicked a bit. Its understandable in a way.
Maybe so, but panic is not something you ever want to see your manager doing.
No,but he is only human. He looked pretty shaken on the sidelines yesterday.
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sevilliano
18 Dec 2017, 08:17 AM
nowonder
17 Dec 2017, 11:47 PM
sevilliano
17 Dec 2017, 07:50 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Has Brendan said he wasn't backed or is this the usual blame the board knee jerking ?
It's far from knee jerking

Astana was a shambles because the business BR wanted done in January wasn't

Bitton at centre half 😂 because we've no one else

Games where we had no striker

We've shown no progress in quality of play in Europe at all

And why should we - BR has wrung everything he could out of Gordon boyata jozo Armstrong - none of whom are strong enough for Europe

Lustig is a great servant but looks dead on his feet
And we are risking tierney because he has to play all the time
Mcgregor br has developed to his max
And everyone can see griffiths isn't performing
Dembele will want away sooner rather than later

The time to strengthen and prevent what has happened this season was Jan last year and summer

Instead we are treading water and look knackered
The money is there - more than we've ever had as a result of one person and one only BR

Was he backed to qualify - was he eff
Instead we get an effin hotel project
The board have always reverted to complacency as soon as the heat is off them
And that's reflected on the park
they should be delivering sufficient volume and quality of players so that BR can move others on and bed in new players

If none of these players are good enough, then it's up to the manager to adapt.

Playing a possession based game against the best teams in the world is the managers doing.

The players dip in form could be down to the managers unrealistic expectation of them in Europe.

It's the boards fault, the player's fault, Brendan :worthy:

Brendan has been as much a liability as the players have at certain points this season.

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The board need to back him to truely shape his own team now, there is no run to point to now after that.
Edited by Hail!Hail!, 18 Dec 2017, 10:41 AM.
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I do think that BR is to blame for the defeat and the poor performance in the last month or so

IMO the defenders have begone to play at a lvl that they aren't up to - like Gordon trying to be the sweeper keeper that BR wants

Jozo and Boyata are decent/good when being told to do the simple part, but Boyata in particular seems to have been told to bring the ball more out of defense which have let him to being caught out, this is very visible when we play with a 3 in the back, they type of play doesn't suit him at all, and the hole team suffers from having defenders that are not comfortably playing the way that they are told to

With the away pitches in particular getting worse and worse as the weather turns worse, they will get more and more exposed to errors

I get what BR wants to do, and that it is "his way" - but the winter months in Scotland are not the way to play the ball out of defense and to let the central defenders bring the ball forward when they are not technical good enough to do it in the first place - don't remember BR having the defenders to do so last winter so it must be an instruction from him as he feels to is ready for the next step
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Hail!Hail!
18 Dec 2017, 10:41 AM
The board need to back him to truely shape his own team now, there is no run to point to now after that.
We can't afford the type of players he needs to make his philosophy work.
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18 Dec 2017, 10:39 AM
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18 Dec 2017, 08:17 AM
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17 Dec 2017, 11:47 PM

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It's far from knee jerking

Astana was a shambles because the business BR wanted done in January wasn't

Bitton at centre half 😂 because we've no one else

Games where we had no striker

We've shown no progress in quality of play in Europe at all

And why should we - BR has wrung everything he could out of Gordon boyata jozo Armstrong - none of whom are strong enough for Europe

Lustig is a great servant but looks dead on his feet
And we are risking tierney because he has to play all the time
Mcgregor br has developed to his max
And everyone can see griffiths isn't performing
Dembele will want away sooner rather than later

The time to strengthen and prevent what has happened this season was Jan last year and summer

Instead we are treading water and look knackered
The money is there - more than we've ever had as a result of one person and one only BR

Was he backed to qualify - was he eff
Instead we get an effin hotel project
The board have always reverted to complacency as soon as the heat is off them
And that's reflected on the park
they should be delivering sufficient volume and quality of players so that BR can move others on and bed in new players

If none of these players are good enough, then it's up to the manager to adapt.

Playing a possession based game against the best teams in the world is the managers doing.

The players dip in form could be down to the managers unrealistic expectation of them in Europe.

It's the boards fault, the player's fault, Brendan :worthy:

Brendan has been as much a liability as the players have at certain points this season.

You are 100% correct sir.
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Every coach of Celtic should get an opportunity to build there own side.

I don't think there is any chance of seeing wholesale changes with a huge turnover of players but if Brendan for example wants a GK, RB, CB, and a striker done in the next two windows he should get that. His owed that considering what his achieved.
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18 Dec 2017, 01:40 PM
Every coach of Celtic should get an opportunity to build there own side.

I don't think there is any chance of seeing wholesale changes with a huge turnover of players but if Brendan for example wants a GK, RB, CB, and a striker done in the next two windows he should get that. His owed that considering what his achieved.
What about all the money that's been spent giving players new contracts? Does that not count for part of the budget?

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I would like to see one of the management team take a seat in the stand to get a better overall perspective of the game, sitting in the dugouts must be about the worst seats in the stadiums..yet we have 3 x guys all sitting watching the same poor view.
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puroresu_boy
18 Dec 2017, 01:40 PM
Every coach of Celtic should get an opportunity to build there own side.

I don't think there is any chance of seeing wholesale changes with a huge turnover of players but if Brendan for example wants a GK, RB, CB, and a striker done in the next two windows he should get that. His owed that considering what his achieved.
What about all the money that's been spent giving players new contracts? Does that not count for part of the budget?

It does but most would also be seen as recoupable assets if need be.
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Kingslim
18 Dec 2017, 10:39 AM
sevilliano
18 Dec 2017, 08:17 AM
nowonder
17 Dec 2017, 11:47 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
It's far from knee jerking

Astana was a shambles because the business BR wanted done in January wasn't

Bitton at centre half 😂 because we've no one else

Games where we had no striker

We've shown no progress in quality of play in Europe at all

And why should we - BR has wrung everything he could out of Gordon boyata jozo Armstrong - none of whom are strong enough for Europe

Lustig is a great servant but looks dead on his feet
And we are risking tierney because he has to play all the time
Mcgregor br has developed to his max
And everyone can see griffiths isn't performing
Dembele will want away sooner rather than later

The time to strengthen and prevent what has happened this season was Jan last year and summer

Instead we are treading water and look knackered
The money is there - more than we've ever had as a result of one person and one only BR

Was he backed to qualify - was he eff
Instead we get an effin hotel project
The board have always reverted to complacency as soon as the heat is off them
And that's reflected on the park
they should be delivering sufficient volume and quality of players so that BR can move others on and bed in new players

If none of these players are good enough, then it's up to the manager to adapt.

Playing a possession based game against the best teams in the world is the managers doing.

The players dip in form could be down to the managers unrealistic expectation of them in Europe.

It's the boards fault, the player's fault, Brendan :worthy:

Brendan has been as much a liability as the players have at certain points this season.

Agree him playing possession v the best was not clever but he adapted v bayern at home and we were far better

Anderlecht was piss poor and was wrong team on his part which he rectified at half time

Hibs should have been gubbed - these things happen

It's what he does now that counts - i hope in matches v teams good enough to press us he goes to only one winger with dembele or edouard upfront and gives his centre defence orders to go over the top rather than simply pass out all time - until he gets better players we cannot do that - oh and we need keeper
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Like every other Celtic manager he needs to maximise the hand he was given. Deila was given pelters for his system and not working with what he had. Theres no fairytale day in the future where we have the ideal player for every position and subs to die for. It's football, you're always dealing with something you don't want or would rather was better.



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