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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,880 Views)
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8 Dec 2017, 06:01 PM
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One area he definitely should look at is why we seem to fall apart at times, and start giving the ball away every time we get it. We often perform way below what we are capable of, maybe a few more experienced players or genetically engineer the good bit of Roy Aitken into our squad.
We need a bit of maturity.
Pressure? When you are pressed your 1st touch needs to be on point as well as your pass. When pressed is where you really see how good a players technique is as things need to be done quicker. And where you see how good your teammates are at finding the right space at the right time for that pass.
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8 Dec 2017, 06:49 PM
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana.
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8 Dec 2017, 06:51 PM
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana. Yep. Was probably our only good player in Astana
And aside from a shocking 30 mins in Anderlecht, he was good that night too. Despite making mistakes he doesn't hide and always wants the ball. Respect that and wish some others in the side were the same. Feels like Brown has taken him under his wing a bit.
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8 Dec 2017, 06:52 PM
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana. This is what it means to be KDS
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8 Dec 2017, 07:00 PM
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8 Dec 2017, 07:03 PM
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana. Apologies - thought it was Astana when we chucked it and he was rotten, must have been another game I was thinking of, maybe Anderlecht, but it was kind of secondary to my point.
Either way, I would be happy enough to keep N'tcham no problem based on his potential but still think we need to try to find some players who have some European games to base their signings on. A bit of experience, but its a tough crowd
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8 Dec 2017, 07:10 PM
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana.
Apologies - thought it was Astana when we chucked it and he was rotten, must have been another game I was thinking of, maybe Anderlecht, but it was kind of secondary to my point. Either way, I would be happy enough to keep N'tcham no problem based on his potential but still think we need to try to find some players who have some European games to base their signings on. A bit of experience, but its a tough crowd First half in Anderlecht he was really terrible. Then he set up Tierney for the Griff goal and he settled after that. We weren't brilliant in Astana but from what I remember Ntcham was one of our better players that night.
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8 Dec 2017, 07:16 PM
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Apologies - thought it was Astana when we chucked it and he was rotten, must have been another game I was thinking of, maybe Anderlecht, but it was kind of secondary to my point. Either way, I would be happy enough to keep N'tcham no problem based on his potential but still think we need to try to find some players who have some European games to base their signings on. A bit of experience, but its a tough crowd
First half in Anderlecht he was really terrible. Then he set up Tierney for the Griff goal and he settled after that. We weren't brilliant in Astana but from what I remember Ntcham was one of our better players that night. Yup Thats the game I was talking about
I'm all for N'tcham - but would like us to try to sign players who have some kind of European pedigree but it seems to have got lost in my trashing of such a promising young player as N'tcham by referencing a bad game he had once - which was only a partial bad game. I unreservedly apologise
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First half in Anderlecht he was really terrible. Then he set up Tierney for the Griff goal and he settled after that. We weren't brilliant in Astana but from what I remember Ntcham was one of our better players that night. Yup Thats the game I was talking about I'm all for N'tcham - but would like us to try to sign players who have some kind of European pedigree but it seems to have got lost in my trashing of such a promising young player as N'tcham by referencing a bad game he had once - which was only a partial bad game. I unreservedly apologise
I do agree with you btw
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9 Dec 2017, 12:00 AM
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BRENDAN RODGERS has launched a staunch defence of Celtic’s achievements in the Champions League after being stung by recent criticism. Ex-Hoops stars Charlie Nicholas and Roy Keane are among a number of pundits who put the boot in after Tuesday’s home loss to Anderlecht. Although Rodgers acknowledged the display was below par, he felt his players deserved immense credit for finishing third in their group to make it through to the Europa League. “It wasn’t the best way to get the outcome we wanted, but we still got the outcome we wanted,” said the Northern Irishman ahead of the clash with Hibs at Easter Road tomorrow. “We were the only team to qualify out of all the teams that went down the champions qualifying route [domestic champions who did not qualify directly for the group stage]. “Unfortunately we get measured against teams like PSG and Bayern Munich – that’s where a lot of the criticism comes from. “But if you look at the teams we should be measured against, like Ajax, they did not even qualify. “Anderlecht are on virtually double our budget. Borussia Dortmund qualified for the Europa League with two points and they are a massive club with a big budget. “Benfica are challenging again for the Portuguese league, with a far superior budget to ourselves, but they got no points. “So for us to get through and qualify for the Europa League was a step forward. The reality of where we are, in terms of our standing in the real game – these players have done brilliantly. “You have to reflect on where this team has come from 18 months ago – a team that had not qualified for the Champions League for three years and finished bottom of the Europa League with no wins. “Within 18 months we have qualified for two Champions Leagues in difficult groups and taken a step into the Europa League with virtually the same group. “It’s easy to criticise. We lose 7-1 to PSG – one of the best teams in world football – and the group is told how bad they are, how bad the tactics were. “Spartak Moscow lose seven goals in midweek and it’s not about how bad Spartak were, it’s about how good Liverpool were. And Liverpool were good! “It’s unfortunate the world we live in is all about critics. But we can’t afford to let that shape us.” Rodgers suggested his players came through tests of character that would have resulted in a different outcome under his predecessor Ronny Deila. In last year’s Champions League play-off, Celtic held a 5-2 advantage against Hapoel Beer-Sheva from the first leg and only just scraped through after losing the return 2-0 in Israel. At the same stage this year they almost threw away a 5-0 first-leg lead when Astana went 4-1 up in Kazakhstan, but the Hoops scored twice in the last 10 minutes to seal their passage to the group stage. Rodgers added: “My staff tell me we have had three games that in the past we probably would have fallen away in. “We lost 2-0 away to Beer-Sheva but got through. The Astana game could have got away from the team but we got through. And we got through against Anderlecht even though we were nowhere near our best and there was a nervousness. That shows the team and its resilience is improving.” Rodgers expects Hibs to make life difficult for his Bhoys tomorrow. He added: “They’re contenders for best of the rest.” https://www.express.co.uk/Rodgers-Champions-League-critics
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9 Dec 2017, 12:04 AM
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BR may not believe the players are good enough but I like his defending the players from the media onslaught
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9 Dec 2017, 02:07 AM
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‘Sunshine on Leith’ never did get a more emotional rendition that at Hampden when Hibernian won the Scottish Cup in 2016 with a 3-2 win over Rangers at Hampden. Post-match events may have overtaken the occasion but the Hibernian support serenading the Cup as they broke their 114-year hoodoo was enough to hold the attention long after the game had finished. Brendan Rodgers, the Celtic manager, enjoyed that one – just as he savoured the atmosphere last year at an Edinburgh derby. He’ll find himself part of the show on Sunday afternoon when he takes charge of a team for the first time at Easter Road when Celtic go up against Neil Lennon’s Hibernian for the third time already this term. “I went to Easter Road for the first time last season for the Edinburgh derby against Hearts in the Scottish Cup,” recalled Rodgers. “The atmosphere was brilliant. It’s a lovely stadium and I really enjoyed it. I loved the son that they sing at the end, Sunshine on Leith. It was absolutely amazing, brilliant. I also saw it at Hampden when half the stadium was singing it and it was just great. They sang it after the Hearts game and it’s a really emotional song. “From that night I have been looking forward to taking my team to Easter Road and I am looking forward to Sunday. There’s no doubt that Hibernian are one of Scotland’s great clubs. They’ve suffered a bit in recent years, going down but they won the Scottish Cup and they got over the line to get back up to the top flight. “I only know Neil but clearly behind the scenes they do a very good job at Hibs.” There is an argument to suggest that it was the Leith side who ran Celtic the closest yet as their winning run – a sequence of games which currently stretches to 67 without defeat - came under threat when the teams met in Glasgow back in September and drew 2-2. There has been a common thread to the trio of games that Celtic have played against Lennon’s side this term in that they have all come on the back of a Champions League encounter. The Champions League campaign this season has been a curious bag for Celtic with the ultimate declaration of success with a Europa League spot coming at a price. The Parkhead side were the only club to go into Europe’s premier competition through the Champions League and still maintain European football after Christmas but along the way there were demoralising defeats in the and in the immediate aftermath of the Anderlecht defeat, Rodgers was arguably as critical of his players as he has been in his tenure at the Parkhead club. The days in between have dulled his frustrations, although he remains insistent that he will always be looking for quality from his players, regardless of the calibre of opposition. “We have to have a demand,” said Rodgers. “Our quality in the game was not as good as I wanted it to be. But I didn’t say anything in the press that I didn’t really the players. But this is a group who is pushed to their limit and beyond at this level. There’s no getting away from that. And how they have played and worked at times has been very good. But there’s a constant demand to get better.” Despite his obvious wrath after the game Rodgers has looked at the qualification for Monday’s Europa League draw as the picture and believes that the side he inherited 18 months would not have been mentally tough enough to see out what was more like a two-legged knockout tie. “My staff tell me we have had three games like that in the past that we probably would have fallen away in,” he said. “Away to Be’er Sheva that we lost 2-0 but got through. The Astana game earlier in the competition where it could have got away from the team but we got through. And the other night against Anderlecht where we were nowhere near our best and there was a nervousness - but we got through it. “That shows the team and it’s resilience is improving. “This was a team that had not qualified for the Champions League for three years and finished bottom of the Europa League with no wins. Within 18 months we have qualified for two Champions Leagues in difficult groups and taken a step into the Europa League. With virtually the same group. It’s easy to criticise.” The former Liverpool manager also noted the performance of the Anfield side this week and believed that the Premiership side were lauded for a complete performance against Spartak Moscow while Celtic’s heavy defeats to PSG and Bayern Munich were viewed through the prism not of how strong their opponents were, but how poor the Glasgow club performed. “We lose 7-1 to PSG - one of the best teams in world football - and the group is told how bad they are, how bad the tactics were,” he said. “Spartak Moscow lose seven goals in midweek and it’s not about how bad Spartak were. It’s about how good Liverpool were. And Liverpool were good! “It’s unfortunate the world we live in is all about critics. But we can’t afford to let that shape us. That’s not something we do.” Leigh Griffiths did not come off the bench for the game against Anderlecht but is fully fit, while Dedryck Boyata played on the back of a flu virus and Scott Sinclair, who lasted 45 minutes, with an ankle injury. Both are expected to be fit for the visit to the Capital. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/Brendan_Rodgers
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REGARDLESS of who Celtic are drawn to face in the last 32 of the Europa League on Monday afternoon, they will not come up against a team of the calibre of either Bayern Munich of Paris Saint-Germain. It was the Scottish champions’ distinct misfortune to be pitted against two of the favourites to win Europe’s premier club competition this season in Group B. There was never any realistic chance of them progressing to the knockout stages for the fourth time in their history after they were put in the same section as the French and German giants. Whoever they are paired with at UEFA headquarters at Nyon in Switzerland next week will be eminently more beatable than Unai Emery’s expensively-assembled team or Jupp Heynckes’ equally formidable side. So it is understandable there are high hopes among many Celtic supporters just now that, despite the unconvincing performance against Anderlecht and the 1-0 loss they suffered at home in their final group game, they will be able to progress even further in the Europa League this term. They should, though, be wary. It is still asking a great deal of Brendan Rodgers’s men to make it through to the last 16 of the competition given the quality of the some of the sides they could find themselves up against. No fewer than four of the big five footballing nations, England, Germany, Italy and Spain, have seeded clubs in the last 32. Celtic could, then, find themselves up against Arsenal, RB Leipzig, AC Milan, Atalanta, Lazio, Athletic Bilbao or Atletico Madrid. Beating any member of that septet and advancing would be a major accomplishment. Even those clubs from so-called smaller footballing countries will be no pushovers either. Braga and Sporting Lisbon of Portugal, CSKA Moscow, Lokomotiv Moscow and Zenit Saint Petersburg from Russia and Dynamo Kyiv of Ukraine will all present stiff opposition. Getting Viktoria Plzen of the Czech Republic or Salzburg of Austria would certainly give the Glasgow club a chance. But both of those clubs topped their qualifying groups comfortably. It is little wonder that Rodgers has been urging caution since his side achieved their objective. “We have to have a touch of realism,” he said. “There are going to be far, far better teams in there than ourselves. Wednesday night was an example that there is still a long, long way to go. The gap there is with the really big teams at the very top level of European football and even those who are just below that as well is still huge.” The 3-0 triumph over Anderlecht away in Belgium at the end of September – a result which ultimately ensured that Celtic would finish third in their group - led to many in Scottish football getting a bit carried away with how they could fare once they dropped into the Europa League. The simple truth is the financial limitations of playing their domestic football in Scotland, where the television deal has long been one of the worst in Europe, make their prospects of competing on the continent minimal. Clubs in Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Poland and Sweden all make far more from the sale of broadcasting rights. It is an unfortunate state of affairs which is set to get worse not better. “It will become even more difficult for us,” said Rodgers. It has been interesting to see Celtic, a well-run and stable club which achieves consistent success on the field while leaving within its means, being linked with bids to buy the majority shareholdings in A League clubs Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Road in Australia. Multi-club ownership is one way they could increase their income. Going down the same route as Ajax, Atletico Madrid and Manchester City may help them to attract potential sponsors. But with Barclays Premier League clubs banking over a billion pounds every year from their current agreement with BT and Sky Sports it is unlikely to make a significant difference to how they fare. If anything, Celtic have overachieved by reaching the Champions League group stages, finishing third ahead of an Anderlecht side with a far larger budget for players and qualifying for the Europa League. It is unreasonable to expect them do anything more in the coming months. http://www.heraldscotland.com/Richer_rivals
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Now that's a well balanced report from the Herald
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana.
Apologies - thought it was Astana when we chucked it and he was rotten, must have been another game I was thinking of, maybe Anderlecht, but it was kind of secondary to my point. Either way, I would be happy enough to keep N'tcham no problem based on his potential but still think we need to try to find some players who have some European games to base their signings on. A bit of experience, but its a tough crowd If we sign a player who is from Europe, does he still need to have played in the CL or Europa Cup?
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I think this season has maybe shown BR what players are truly up to it and which ones are not.
His inherited someone else's team and nobody can say they haven't been given the opportunity. Domestically there will be challenges which they pass but it's the step up in Europe where he really sees who can face those challenges.
Now the question is what happens if he feels he needs to do some serious surgery to get the side to the level he wants?
Are there funds to do that? Will he need to sell a Dembele for instance to fund such surgery?
Will be very interesting if he says to board his taken this side to its peak and he can only aim higher with new players. Many managers get to a point where they feel they need to build there own side with new players and it may well be Rodgers has reached that decision.
It could well be that BR would want movement in the market before CL qualification is a guarantees and I'm not sure the club will agree to that.
Dembele is gone at the end of the season, if he has a good second half of the season then he'll go for 20million or more. If we take up the option on Eduoard then say that leaves us 12million plus whatever Armstrong goes for, so that's a replacement for Dembele sorted plus around 15million or so to bring in a keeper, RB and CB, which would massively improve the team. The CL money should already be available to him to get a winger and another CM. BR's a brilliant manager but he can only do so much, I think he's brought this group of players as far as they can go, time for the board to back him or we'll start going backwards. To me we're 6 signings away from going up a level. I agree with most of this. I think however 3 top players would take us up a level.
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N'tcham has done well in a few outings but was brutal in Astana - so it would depend on what game you watched.
He was brilliant in Astana.
This is what it means to be KDS
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Apologies - thought it was Astana when we chucked it and he was rotten, must have been another game I was thinking of, maybe Anderlecht, but it was kind of secondary to my point. Either way, I would be happy enough to keep N'tcham no problem based on his potential but still think we need to try to find some players who have some European games to base their signings on. A bit of experience, but its a tough crowd
If we sign a player who is from Europe, does he still need to have played in the CL or Europa Cup? aye
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If we sign a player who is from Europe, does he still need to have played in the CL or Europa Cup?
aye How many games for it to count?
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aye
How many games for it to count? depends
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REGARDLESS of who Celtic are drawn to face in the last 32 of the Europa League on Monday afternoon, they will not come up against a team of the calibre of either Bayern Munich of Paris Saint-Germain. It was the Scottish champions’ distinct misfortune to be pitted against two of the favourites to win Europe’s premier club competition this season in Group B. There was never any realistic chance of them progressing to the knockout stages for the fourth time in their history after they were put in the same section as the French and German giants. Whoever they are paired with at UEFA headquarters at Nyon in Switzerland next week will be eminently more beatable than Unai Emery’s expensively-assembled team or Jupp Heynckes’ equally formidable side. So it is understandable there are high hopes among many Celtic supporters just now that, despite the unconvincing performance against Anderlecht and the 1-0 loss they suffered at home in their final group game, they will be able to progress even further in the Europa League this term. They should, though, be wary. It is still asking a great deal of Brendan Rodgers’s men to make it through to the last 16 of the competition given the quality of the some of the sides they could find themselves up against. No fewer than four of the big five footballing nations, England, Germany, Italy and Spain, have seeded clubs in the last 32. Celtic could, then, find themselves up against Arsenal, RB Leipzig, AC Milan, Atalanta, Lazio, Athletic Bilbao or Atletico Madrid. Beating any member of that septet and advancing would be a major accomplishment. Even those clubs from so-called smaller footballing countries will be no pushovers either. Braga and Sporting Lisbon of Portugal, CSKA Moscow, Lokomotiv Moscow and Zenit Saint Petersburg from Russia and Dynamo Kyiv of Ukraine will all present stiff opposition. Getting Viktoria Plzen of the Czech Republic or Salzburg of Austria would certainly give the Glasgow club a chance. But both of those clubs topped their qualifying groups comfortably. It is little wonder that Rodgers has been urging caution since his side achieved their objective. “We have to have a touch of realism,” he said. “There are going to be far, far better teams in there than ourselves. Wednesday night was an example that there is still a long, long way to go. The gap there is with the really big teams at the very top level of European football and even those who are just below that as well is still huge.” The 3-0 triumph over Anderlecht away in Belgium at the end of September – a result which ultimately ensured that Celtic would finish third in their group - led to many in Scottish football getting a bit carried away with how they could fare once they dropped into the Europa League. The simple truth is the financial limitations of playing their domestic football in Scotland, where the television deal has long been one of the worst in Europe, make their prospects of competing on the continent minimal. Clubs in Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Poland and Sweden all make far more from the sale of broadcasting rights. It is an unfortunate state of affairs which is set to get worse not better. “It will become even more difficult for us,” said Rodgers. It has been interesting to see Celtic, a well-run and stable club which achieves consistent success on the field while leaving within its means, being linked with bids to buy the majority shareholdings in A League clubs Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Road in Australia. Multi-club ownership is one way they could increase their income. Going down the same route as Ajax, Atletico Madrid and Manchester City may help them to attract potential sponsors. But with Barclays Premier League clubs banking over a billion pounds every year from their current agreement with BT and Sky Sports it is unlikely to make a significant difference to how they fare. If anything, Celtic have overachieved by reaching the Champions League group stages, finishing third ahead of an Anderlecht side with a far larger budget for players and qualifying for the Europa League. It is unreasonable to expect them do anything more in the coming months. http://www.heraldscotland.com/Richer_rivals
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