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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,882 Views)
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I like Ntcham a lot but his form has been patchy in Europe so picking Armstrong for his energy is understandable even if you dont agree with it.
Armstrong has generally been not very good in CL so I didn’t understand it at all.
I would've picked Ntcham but it is not like a no brainerdecision as the the big fella's form is patchy as well.
MOTM in his previous 2 games. One of them in the CL
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
I'd hope he recognised that, whoever is responsible for it, the last two windows have not done a great deal to move the squad forward for the here and now of European football in 2017/18.

I am willing to accept that part of that has been because we had seen real improvement in a number of players. Forrest, Armstrong, McGregor, Gordon, Griffiths, Rogic, Bitton, Simunovic and Boyata all had sustained spells of good form last season when all had been written off in some quarters to some extent. Quite a few of them have also been injured, particularly the defenders, which has disrupted the flow a bit.

The issue is that the Champions League has tended to expose the limitations of many of these same players. No disgrace in many respects, but when it is also happening against Anderlecht at home, it is a bit more worrying and showing signs that it needs addressed.

At least parts of each of the three transfer windows we have approached to date have been done in the knowledge that Champions League football, and therefore finance, was secured.

Yet in August rumours about Coetzee were reported before the Astana first leg, and then was eventually declared a non-starter on 26 August. Looking back now, that whole episode has a bit of the look of the infamous Willo Flood transfer window about it.
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
I don't have a worry over Brendan at all but I know what your getting at. I remember once we signed Sinclair I thought that type of signing was going to be the norm.
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
I don't have a worry over Brendan at all but I know what your getting at. I remember once we signed Sinclair I thought that type of signing was going to be the norm.
We didn't get our main defensive target but it wasn't the South African. As for the St Mirren player, that is a rumour but even then how do you know he is our main target. Nothing like basing your worries on pure conjecture and supposition. We are a long way off in the CL but give it a chance.
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
I don't have a worry over Brendan at all but I know what your getting at. I remember once we signed Sinclair I thought that type of signing was going to be the norm.
We didn't get our main defensive target but it wasn't the South African. As for the St Mirren player, that is a rumour but even then how do you know he is our main target. Nothing like basing your worries on pure conjecture and supposition. We are a long way off in the CL but give it a chance.
Yes I know but the point is the type of player we are signing has been projects

That isn't necessarily a bad thing in the hands of Brendan, but it I would prefer to be starting with a level of player like Sinclair rather than the names linked.
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Someone mentioned previously that perhaps he feels he's taken us as far as he can on the European stage. I hope he doesn't feel like it's time to go any time soon. The man needs to get the Ten.
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We have a lot of really good players in the squad. I think the biggest problem is the type of opposition we see in our domestic games. Our defence is rarely tested, the midfield usually get loads of time on the ball, and our forwards can basically pass it around until they tire the opposition out and then start to create openings. When we play in europe, these roles are usually reversed, where we are given little time on the ball, and our defence is under pressure like they never see in our domestic games, and the forwards need to feed on scraps. If we were ever to sign 10m type players, no matter how good they were domestically, they would still find it difficult to adjust to European games. It's a problem that is very difficult to resolve. I don't know what the answer is, but maybe Brendan should take a look at how Basel and others from similar leagues manage to adjust, and see if he can learn anything from them. Problem is i think BR is a bit stubborn and that might be his ultimate downfall.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
Not once does he say he won't be buying in the window but hey somebody has an article to write.

Fwiw it was written all over Brendan's face when he went on the pitch after the game he was disappointed and not happy - He thought we would beat Anderlecht and so did the majority of us albeit 3-0 over there in reality flattered us - He made a bad mistake playing Armstrong instead of Nitcham which he rectified but he also will have learned that his aspirations of having Celtic playing regularly in the last 16 of the CL are further away than he would be hoping by now.

He was not backed as well as he should have been in the last window but it was by no means a "Willo Flood" window as alluded to earlier by somebody - We never got the CB we were after and the back up of Coetzee didn't happen but it was hardly Celtic's fault he had an undetected until then broken bone - Similarly we have no control over Robert's injuries and his breaking down again :cry: - We got Nitcham who was a major target and is going to be a cracker - When we signed Nitcham I looked at the Genoa you tube clips and he was playing defence splitting through balls all over the shop - Fair enough it was edited you tube clips but it proved he has that facet in his game and he is more and more beginning to play those passes with Celtic as his confidence builds - He hit one pass with the side of his foot which spun round the defender and had perfect pace for Tierney to run onto on Tuesday night - He should be played more often than not from now on.

I am hoping Rodgers has a meeting with DD to discuss where we are at and from that DD puts pressure on PL to ensure that this the next few windows the targets are landed whether they be Plan A or Plan B but Rodgers deserves to be backed - We are all a bit down from Tuesday and it can be argued that it is only the SPL but jeez what he has done with mainly players from Deila's two season is suoerb and he transformed them basically with really only Dembele and Sinclair plus Kolo for a short while - 67 games ffs take a deep breath and think back to the football under Deilathere is feck all chance that would have happened under him.

We can argue about the CL but for me we have regressed this year and I say that even allowing for the fact it was PSG and Bayern we definitely haven't had a Man City performance in us this season.

We need to back him as best we can - He was backed to an extent but I said at the time he should have been backed better anmd we had a lot of "no matter what we spend we will get beat by PSG" which was stating the bleeding obvious but a few more quality players in the door and we would not have been beaten by Anderlecht and might just might have had enough to get a result off of Bayern which would have been superb but was not to be.

Quality first team squad improving signings within the realistic levels of our financial constraints are what is needed.

This he has taken us as far as he can is also nonsense - Ffs give the man a chance yes he got things wrong but certain players let him down badly and some it is now proven that they are not going to be good enough in the CL despite what they can do in the SPL.
Edited by CaltonBhoy1967, 7 Dec 2017, 07:45 PM.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
Not once does he say he won't be buying in the window but hey somebody has an article to write.

Fwiw it was written all over Brendan's face when he went on the pitch after the game he was disappointed and not happy - He thought we would beat Anderlecht and so did the majority of us albeit 3-0 over there in reality flattered us - He made a bad mistake playing Armstrong instead of Nitcham which he rectified but he also will have learned that his aspirations of having Celtic playing regularly in the last 16 of the CL are further away than he would be hoping by now.

He was not backed as well as he should have been in the last window but it was by no means a "Willo Flood" window as alluded to earlier by somebody - We never got the CB we were after and the back up of Coetzee didn't happen but it was hardly Celtic's fault he had an undetected until then broken bone - Similarly we have no control over Robert's injuries and his breaking down again :cry: - We got Nitcham who was a major target and is going to be a cracker - When we signed Nitcham I looked at the Genoa you tube clips and he was playing defence splitting through balls all over the shop - Fair enough it was edited you tube clips but it proved he has that facet in his game and he is more and more beginning to play those passes with Celtic as his confidence builds - He hit one pass with the side of his foot which spun round the defender and had perfect pace for Tierney to run onto on Tuesday night - He should be played more often than not from now on.

I am hoping Rodgers has a meeting with DD to discuss where we are at and from that DD puts pressure on PL to ensure that this the next few windows the targets are landed whether they be Plan A or Plan B but Rodgers deserves to be backed - We are all a bit down from Tuesday and it can be argued that it is only the SPL but jeez what he has done with mainly players from Deila's two season is suoerb and he transformed them basically with really only Dembele and Sinclair plus Kolo for a short while - 67 games ffs take a deep breath and think back to the football under Deilathere is feck all chance that would have happened under him.

We can argue about the CL but for me we have regressed this year and I say that even allowing for the fact it was PSG and Bayern we definitely haven't had a Man City performance in us this season.

We need to back him as best we can - He was backed to an extent but I said at the time he should have been backed better anmd we had a lot of "no matter what we spend we will get beat by PSG" which was stating the bleeding obvious but a few more quality players in the door and we would not have been beaten by Anderlecht and might just might have had enough to get a result off of Bayern which would have been superb but was not to be.

Quality first team squad improving signings within the realistic levels of our financial constraints are what is needed.

This he has taken us as far as he can is also nonsense - Ffs give the man a chance yes he got things wrong but certain players let him down badly and some it is now proven that they are not going to be good enough in the CL despite what they can do in the SPL.
Can't argue with any of that. Good analysis.
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Brendan is the most progressive manager we have had since Mr Stein. The club should be doing everything in their power to keep him happy. If that means spending money planned for the hotel on an indoor facility at Lennoxtown, then that’s what should happen. The fact is that we just do not have the money to buy CL ready players. We need to invest in the best possible young talent like Moussa and Ntcham and hope they develop in to CL players. The risk is that because they are young that they will be a bit inconsistent, that’s when the support need to do their job and support instead of crucify!
Although we might love the unbeaten run to go on for ever, if it means that we keep playing older guys to keep it going, it will work against the development of young players!
If it were to end Saturday might not be a bad place :thumbsup:
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
FFS.
He's taking the pish with that.
No, what he's actually saying is " I want to sign to quality players but the board won't back me".
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I think the manager is saying that the primary focus is on how the team operates as a unit, not on 'exceptional' individual players. The kind of individual players who can personally take control of a Champions League match are beyond our reach (with the exception of uncovering an occasional diamond in the rough), but we can work on building a team that can collectively become more than the sum of its parts. He obviously has confidence in his players and coaching staff to achieve that and, as poor as we may have been in the Champions League, Rodgers more than deserves a bit of faith from ourselves on that front. We talk a good game about having faith in people who try to do football the proper way, the Celtic Way, even if it doesn't always go to plan, after all.

Rodgers has indicated previously that he would rather work with what he has, the people that he already knows, the people who have already done so well, than gamble on a new player who isn't among his preferred choices; that it's a question of getting the right player, not just a player. I think I prefer that over previous years, when we were signing whatever we could get and hoping for the best.
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I feel as though the actual ability of the players who played on Tuesday isn't massively away from being suitable for the level we're operating on as long as they can perform at their peak in these games. It's unrealistic to imagine that we'll get anything other than a loss when we play a so called 'super club' nowadays (barring the odd freak event) but against the teams who are closer to us in terms of size and turnover we should be able to have a much more favourable record than we currently do. The issue is pulling that 100% performance out of these players on the stage of the CL - Armstrong was diabolical against Anderlecht but if the Armstrong of February had turned up he'd have caused them problems without a doubt.

The problem is that the players aren't able to reproduce their best consistently (and an argument could be made that, if they could, they wouldn't be with us anyway) and that job is up to Rodgers. I still think he is absolutely our best chance of achieving this but, like the players he's aiming to improve, he himself is still learning at this level every time. I hope we get as favourable a draw as we can in the EL and that our overall form (after the Jan break) can be restored to something closer to last year's peak; then there's a chance we can keep going in Europe for a bit longer.
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The worry I have about Brendan is that he likes to develop players.....rather than buy them. That in itself is not a negative thing but when our main transfer target in the next window appears to be a St Mirren winger and the main central defensive target in the summer was from a South African club - it doesn't fill me with huge confidence that he will ever go out and buy a player closer to the finished product (like Toure and Sinclair). I know he has done that in the past but he has shifted further away from that approach.
I don't have a worry over Brendan at all but I know what your getting at. I remember once we signed Sinclair I thought that type of signing was going to be the norm.
We couldn’t afford for Sinclair type signings to be the norm. I’m sure Brendan would love to sign players like that regularly too.

And a manager who develops players is literally the only way we survive in the current market. We should be enormously grateful we have someone who wants to develop players rather than your standard run of the mill manager who wants to throw a chequebook at the problem.

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Apparently, Brendan was furious after the game on Tuesday night. Which is a good sign, I think.
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I think this season has maybe shown BR what players are truly up to it and which ones are not.

His inherited someone else's team and nobody can say they haven't been given the opportunity. Domestically there will be challenges which they pass but it's the step up in Europe where he really sees who can face those challenges.

Now the question is what happens if he feels he needs to do some serious surgery to get the side to the level he wants?

Are there funds to do that? Will he need to sell a Dembele for instance to fund such surgery?

Will be very interesting if he says to board his taken this side to its peak and he can only aim higher with new players. Many managers get to a point where they feel they need to build there own side with new players and it may well be Rodgers has reached that decision.

It could well be that BR would want movement in the market before CL qualification is a guarantees and I'm not sure the club will agree to that.
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I think this season has maybe shown BR what players are truly up to it and which ones are not.

His inherited someone else's team and nobody can say they haven't been given the opportunity. Domestically there will be challenges which they pass but it's the step up in Europe where he really sees who can face those challenges.

Now the question is what happens if he feels he needs to do some serious surgery to get the side to the level he wants?

Are there funds to do that? Will he need to sell a Dembele for instance to fund such surgery?

Will be very interesting if he says to board his taken this side to its peak and he can only aim higher with new players. Many managers get to a point where they feel they need to build there own side with new players and it may well be Rodgers has reached that decision.

It could well be that BR would want movement in the market before CL qualification is a guarantees and I'm not sure the club will agree to that.
Dembele is gone at the end of the season, if he has a good second half of the season then he'll go for 20million or more. If we take up the option on Eduoard then say that leaves us 12million plus whatever Armstrong goes for, so that's a replacement for Dembele sorted plus around 15million or so to bring in a keeper, RB and CB, which would massively improve the team. The CL money should already be available to him to get a winger and another CM.

BR's a brilliant manager but he can only do so much, I think he's brought this group of players as far as they can go, time for the board to back him or we'll start going backwards. To me we're 6 signings away from going up a level.
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Apparently, Brendan was furious after the game on Tuesday night. Which is a good sign, I think.
I'm sure he was, the interesting thing will be what he does about it.

He is on record as not being a hairdryer type of manager, I wonder what he'll do to change things up.

The next few games will be enlightening & certainly the January window.
I think we need to bring forward the summer window funds & try getting a reshape now, which will give new guys a chance to bed in & improve our chances in the EL & then CL Qualifiers.
I don't think it'll happen, but it should.

At least Brendan has something about him, I can't see him taking that performance lightly - I hope he has DD's ear.
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