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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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6 Dec 2017, 05:10 PM
I like Ntcham a lot but his form has been patchy in Europe so picking Armstrong for his energy is understandable even if you dont agree with it.
Armstrong has generally been not very good in CL so I didn’t understand it at all.
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Rodgers has been great for Celtic domestically and i love the man for everything he has done for the club, the unbeaten run, the treble and qualification for the champions league two years running, all a great achievement. But he has also broke a few unwanted records like our biggest defeat in Europe and the first time we have lost three champions league games in a row at home and also some horrific European performances. his/the clubs failure in the transfer window has cost us this season and that needs rectified in January if we want to go further in the Europa cup and to qualify for next years champions league. Rodgers and the team need to improve drastically at European football, it is his one weakness and i am sure he is aware of that and will be working at getting better himself and improving the squad.....January is a massive transfer window for us.
Rodgers didn't have a very good European record with Liverpool. 6 wins out of 18 games isn't great.
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Domestically, Brendan has been a revelation. I would even say that I am more confident in qualifying for the CL under Brendan than any other manager (with some caveats about nearly chucking away good first leg leads!). In the group stages he has failed and despite the third-place this year I firmly believe we have not progressed and got lucky that we played Anderlecht away at the right time. So in Europe he must do better and I don’t think it’s a simple case of new players will solve the problem I think it is the coaching, both tactically and mentally, side that Brendan needs to pick up on. We are too open regardless of formation and in a number of games, we have not been "up for it".

Something needs to change and I think Brendan will probably know that too. He has two months to think and work on the players on the training ground and come out against whoever we get and put in a performance that will show that he and the players have learned. I think he’ll do it.
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I like Ntcham a lot but his form has been patchy in Europe so picking Armstrong for his energy is understandable even if you dont agree with it.
Patchy would be a harsh way of describing ntcham's european form esp if you include the astana games. It would also be the kindest way of describing armstrong in europe. Not starting ntcham, was a mistake from rodgers pure and simple. Bringing him on at ht doesnt negate that fact as he shouldve been in the starting 11 anyway.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
FFS.
He's taking the pish with that.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
FFS.
He's taking the pish with that.
And yet he aspires to be as eloquent as you.
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The team is the star...
Honestly?
I don't see us learning from our gubbings, as much as I'd like to I just can't see it.
Hope I'm wrong obviously & we'll see in February.
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6 Dec 2017, 09:11 PM
Domestically, Brendan has been a revelation. I would even say that I am more confident in qualifying for the CL under Brendan than any other manager (with some caveats about nearly chucking away good first leg leads!). In the group stages he has failed and despite the third-place this year I firmly believe we have not progressed and got lucky that we played Anderlecht away at the right time. So in Europe he must do better and I don’t think it’s a simple case of new players will solve the problem I think it is the coaching, both tactically and mentally, side that Brendan needs to pick up on. We are too open regardless of formation and in a number of games, we have not been "up for it".

Something needs to change and I think Brendan will probably know that too. He has two months to think and work on the players on the training ground and come out against whoever we get and put in a performance that will show that he and the players have learned. I think he’ll do it.
...or, you could say Anderlecht played us at the right time and scraped a 1-0 win down to a flukey OG, because they didn't really pressurise us like a team that needed to win by three.
We've been off form for months, with only a couple of exceptional games this season.

Tierney needs a rest, Dembele, Sinclair and Armstrong are shadows of what they were last season, Roberts is basically finished with us, we have no European-capable defence and we've had injuries that disrupt the other players who should step in for those showing signs of wear and tear.

Basically it's been a fits and starts kind of a season, and the players need some recovery.

You can argue that these well paid players should be able to deal with amount of games that a successful team gets to compete in, but even elite athletes can't carry niggling injuries for ever without having a detrimental effect on themselves.

The unbeaten run just adds to the mental stress these guys have to cope with.

You also have to remember that they are not elite level players, and to ask them to consistently get results against slightly better players, never mind the world class ones in the megabucks leagues is unrealistic.

Yes, you sometimes think that they could do better, but when you see the evidence, they're not quite as sharp or technically good as their slightly dearer priced peers.
The sub Anderlecht brought on was £6m so compared to even them, we're still poor relations.

Do you park the bus and get beaten anyway, albeit by a lesser margin? See that Liverpool game last night? How did that happen?
Do you try and play your own style in the hope that the players can see that they can get at opposition and eventually learn not to panic?

It's a right state of affairs, and as far as I can see, the manager is setting up the system to allow the continuation of our "style of play" so that the replacements just slot in.

In a European context, can anybody tell me what type of centre back we need?
The old school, let-him-know-yer-there, header winning type doesn't cut it if you want to play football, so does grooming (the likes of) Bitton and Ajer make sense?
So if the corporate accounts are to be believed then the Piquet type would cost a tiny bit more than a decent player so where do you get better players than we've got for money we can afford?

We either develop our own or put up with what we've got, or is there another way with a different style of manager?
If Rodgers is putting the corporate style in place for European games, then we have to stick to that plan for now.

Until we have the players who believe they're good enough then nothing is going to change. Rodgers signings haven't been generally first picks, or injured more often than not, so who is to blame for that? Why do we have so many injuries that keep the players out for longer periods.
Is it the super-fit regime?

Rodgers style is ok for Scotland because we can afford better players here. Without even better players it remains to be seen if it works for Europe.
Even if we had them, it's doubtful we'd really make that much of an impact in Europe.

Anyway we're stuck with him for 10 in a row, aren't we?




Stuck between a loch and a hard plaice

Edited by Arsene Parcelie, 7 Dec 2017, 10:57 AM.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
FFS.
He's taking the pish with that.
In what way 🤔??
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“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

Being the most important thing. We have limited options with the kind of player who will come to Scotland.
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7 Dec 2017, 10:44 AM
The team is the star...
Honestly?
How often do we moan about players "thinking they're better than they are", etc.

The team is the most important thing.

We don't have enough money to buy a "star" player. When we do develop a star player (VVD, Wanyama), then someone buys them before we get any long term from them.

I don't see what issues there are with the context of that line.
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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed he won’t be splashing out on a big-name signing to bolster Celtic’s Europa League campaign.

The Hoops squeezed into Monday’s last-32 draw in Nyon by finishing third in their Champions League section.

Celtic will now come up against one of the 12 Europa League group winners or one of the four top Champions League drop-outs.

As a non-seeded team, the likes of Arsenal, Lazio, Zenit St Petersburg, AC Milan, CSKA Moscow or Atletico Madrid could lie in wait.

Manager Rodgers has vowed to make sure his team is better prepared for the first knockout clash in February even if his dealing during next month’s transfer window will be prudent rather than spectacular.

He said: “We will always rely on the collective, we will always rely on the team. There won’t be one player at this level who is a massive stand-out. Our star is the team. That is the way it will always be.

“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

“The challenge here is always to push and be the very best we can be despite the resources we have.

“At this level (Champions League) we are nowhere near it. But we have to find a way and try to represent Celtic and the nation the best we can.”

Celtic had to contend with Bayern Munich and PSG but the Europa League won’t be much easier if they are paired with another heavy-weight, such as Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal.

Rodgers feels his team can mount a challenge if harsh lessons learned from losing five of their six Champions League group games can be learned.

He added: “We will play against a tough opponent whoever we play. Let us learn the lessons from the six games we have had here.

“But they have absolutely earned the right to go there.

“We want to be better, we want to improve, we have made strides in the last 18 months which have been incredible.

“We have qualified for the Europa League last 32 where the club hasn’t been for a number of years.

“We are disappointed we lost the game against Anderlecht. That is a really good sign for me. It is good that we put that demand on ourselves to be better.

“When it comes around in February we will be better again.

“For us to come through the group and get into the Europa League is a big achievement for us.”
https://www.express.co.uk/Brendan-Rodgers
FFS.
He's taking the pish with that.
Did you read past the headline? Seemed pretty reasonable and didn't in any way rule out strengthening in January.
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“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

Being the most important thing. We have limited options with the kind of player who will come to Scotland.
One of my mates work in the media and he said that BR was massively disappointed that we didn't get the central defender from Lens in France during the summer. He was apparently our number 1 target and that BR had suspicions that the board, deliberately held back because of the fee involved(4-5m) and moved onto option B/C/D far too quickly, which was the South African lad at 800k iirc.

I didn't think much of it as the guy who told me isn't a Celtic fan and isn't really a proper journo at the rag he works for.

His comments at the start of the CL campaign regarding the defensive recruitment, got me thinking about that comment, but his comments above differ greatly about the level of player we can attract due to the league we play in.
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7 Dec 2017, 10:44 AM
The team is the star...
Honestly?
How often do we moan about players "thinking they're better than they are", etc.

The team is the most important thing.

We don't have enough money to buy a "star" player. When we do develop a star player (VVD, Wanyama), then someone buys them before we get any long term from them.

I don't see what issues there are with the context of that line.
The team have been handed their arses, maybe the word star, was poorly chosen.
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7 Dec 2017, 11:31 AM
Hairytoes
7 Dec 2017, 10:44 AM
The team is the star...
Honestly?
How often do we moan about players "thinking they're better than they are", etc.

The team is the most important thing.

We don't have enough money to buy a "star" player. When we do develop a star player (VVD, Wanyama), then someone buys them before we get any long term from them.

I don't see what issues there are with the context of that line.
The team have been handed their arses, maybe the word star, was poorly chosen.
ffs :lol:
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7 Dec 2017, 11:01 AM
“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

Being the most important thing. We have limited options with the kind of player who will come to Scotland.
One of my mates work in the media and he said that BR was massively disappointed that we didn't get the central defender from Lens in France during the summer. He was apparently our number 1 target and that BR had suspicions that the board, deliberately held back because of the fee involved(4-5m) and moved onto option B/C/D far too quickly, which was the South African lad at 800k iirc.

I didn't think much of it as the guy who told me isn't a Celtic fan and isn't really a proper journo at the rag he works for.

His comments at the start of the CL campaign regarding the defensive recruitment, got me thinking about that comment, but his comments above differ greatly about the level of player we can attract due to the league we play in.
i think your source was bang on but i think the issue was the guys wages and ultimately he was sold elsewhere for over double the price and wages likewise way up from what we offered

you can look at that a few ways - PL messed about on wages and we lost the deal PL didn't want to eff our wages structure and wanted BR to look at other options

either way we missed out on someone who BR wanted and missed out on someone other valued far higher than we had agreed a deal for

its a part of a transfer window pattern which will continue if DD doesn't tell PL to back BR

no matter which way you look at it the CL this year has been a chastening experience certainly in part this week down to BR

so are we going to start a new cl song at home :ph43r:

this is the day this is the day that we [won/drew] at home :ph43r:
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7 Dec 2017, 11:01 AM
“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.

Being the most important thing. We have limited options with the kind of player who will come to Scotland.
One of my mates work in the media and he said that BR was massively disappointed that we didn't get the central defender from Lens in France during the summer. He was apparently our number 1 target and that BR had suspicions that the board, deliberately held back because of the fee involved(4-5m) and moved onto option B/C/D far too quickly, which was the South African lad at 800k iirc.

I didn't think much of it as the guy who told me isn't a Celtic fan and isn't really a proper journo at the rag he works for.

His comments at the start of the CL campaign regarding the defensive recruitment, got me thinking about that comment, but his comments above differ greatly about the level of player we can attract due to the league we play in.
i think your source was bang on but i think the issue was the guys wages and ultimately he was sold elsewhere for over double the price and wages likewise way up from what we offered

you can look at that a few ways - PL messed about on wages and we lost the deal PL didn't want to eff our wages structure and wanted BR to look at other options

either way we missed out on someone who BR wanted and missed out on someone other valued far higher than we had agreed a deal for
he is still at lens in the 2nd division
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7 Dec 2017, 12:03 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep“I am pretty clear where we are at as a squad and I am also realistic about what we can bring in.
i think your source was bang on but i think the issue was the guys wages and ultimately he was sold elsewhere for over double the price and wages likewise way up from what we offered

you can look at that a few ways - PL messed about on wages and we lost the deal PL didn't want to eff our wages structure and wanted BR to look at other options

either way we missed out on someone who BR wanted and missed out on someone other valued far higher than we had agreed a deal for
he is still at lens in the 2nd division
Been linked with Liverpool, Nice and some Italian club from a quick google there. May have missed the boat on him.
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I like Ntcham a lot but his form has been patchy in Europe so picking Armstrong for his energy is understandable even if you dont agree with it.
Armstrong has generally been not very good in CL so I didn’t understand it at all.
I would've picked Ntcham but it is not like a no brainerdecision as the the big fella's form is patchy as well.
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