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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,898 Views)
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Fair comment
:lol: It's certainly not.
It absolutely is. It will be the exact stick to beat Rodgers with as soon as he loses a couple of domestic games.
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Yep, I thought Idlewyld's post was pretty accurate (I dare say you could point to the odd exception) & I don't think it was intended as criticism either. It's to Brendan's credit that we can go into almost every game we play confident that the team won't let us down.
Well I thought it was and all things considered I doubt we could get a better manager.
Jim Duffy is showing considerable promise at Morton.
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It's not impossible to play attacking/dominant football 80% of the time and coach a team to defend for certain games. I'm not sure where this popular argument has appeared from.
Agreed.
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It's not impossible to play attacking/dominant football 80% of the time and coach a team to defend for certain games. I'm not sure where this popular argument has appeared from.
Agreed.
It’s not impossible but we have a coach who doesn’t subscribe to that way of thinking. Well his defiently not going to park a bus.

Rodgers isn’t under any illusion that we can dominate a game in Europe like we do in Scotland but that doesn’t mean we go from attacking to completely defensive. It’s about finding a balance where we still have some kind of threat rather than parking a bus trying to sneak a goal and nick a game. That’s not Brendan Rodgers.
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It's not impossible to play attacking/dominant football 80% of the time and coach a team to defend for certain games. I'm not sure where this popular argument has appeared from.
Agreed.
It’s not impossible but we have a coach who doesn’t subscribe to that way of thinking. Well his defiently not going to park a bus.

Rodgers isn’t under any illusion that we can dominate a game in Europe like we do in Scotland but that doesn’t mean we go from attacking to completely defensive. It’s about finding a balance where we still have some kind of threat rather than parking a bus trying to sneak a goal and nick a game. That’s not Brendan Rodgers.
It would be okay if we were playing NFL, offence and defence. It's all about balance. We were set up more defensively against PSG but still lost 7. The players at the moment aren't good enough. If this time next year we are no further forward, then perhaps a rethink is required.
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He has done one leaving you to take the pelters for his comments by the look of it Iain. ;)
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Sorry. :lol:

It was absolutely meant as a compliment, and I think it's to do with the fact that he stands by his philosophy no matter who the opposition is.

Our unbeaten run is an incredible achievement. The most successful teams/managers usually build their success in the back of an intimidating home record. But we've never been on the downside of a surprise result under Rodgers, home or away. Never. Not a single really bad result in 18 months. We've had bad scorelines in games that we were expected to lose, but we've never had an unexpected defeat.

We could be more pragmatic and change our setup dependent on the opposition. And that might give us the occasional closer result against PSG. But I think (and I'm sure the manager does), that straying from his philosophy would impact our domestic consistency as well as our confidence against the Anderlechts of this world. Big picture, I'm more than happy with that trade-off.
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Sorry. :lol:

It was absolutely meant as a compliment, and I think it's to do with the fact that he stands by his philosophy no matter who the opposition is.

Our unbeaten run is an incredible achievement. The most successful teams/managers usually build their success in the back of an intimidating home record. But we've never been on the downside of a surprise result under Rodgers, home or away. Never. Not a single really bad result in 18 months. We've had bad scorelines in games that we were expected to lose, but we've never had an unexpected defeat.

We could be more pragmatic and change our setup dependent on the opposition. And that might give us the occasional closer result against PSG. But I think (and I'm sure the manager does), that straying from his philosophy would impact our domestic consistency as well as our confidence against the Anderlechts of this world. Big picture, I'm more than happy with that trade-off.
I agree with almost every word of that, but the pedant in me is screaming "RED IMPS, RED IMPS!"

I understand it was a two legged affair and we ultimately won through, but that inner pedant just won't shut up. :lol:
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If Rodgers does well in Europa league all is forgotten by the army of armchair experts. Not worth arguing with them.
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That debate on Friday night between Sutton and McCoist really summed up for me where a lot of people wanting change are going wrong.

McCoist was talking about a different set up to protect the defense but when Sutton pushed him on how he would do that he just said 'put five in midfield' or 'five in defence'

Playing 4-6-0 will protect the defenders but there are has to be a better argument than just putting as many player behind the ball as possible.
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This is all part of a bigger view really. In Scotland, when we're outclassed, the first response is along the lines of "fight", "tackle more", "defend better", "make it hard for the opposition" etc etc
BTW when it comes down to it I'm as guilty as the next guy but that's just not how a lot of the very good football nations (particularly in South America) approach the game at all. It's all about what you do with the ball and if you're not good enough, you're not good enough, simple as that. It's not like the other aspects of the game aren't important it's just that the vast majority of attention is on being better with the ball. BRs philosophy is out to break up some old, out of date viewpoints.

Against PSG, with space limited and time on the ball marginalised, we got found out. Decent on the break, relatively pacy but if you squeeze us we'll cough up the ball easily. I get where BR is coming from, I admire his integrity on this issue, I just don't see certain members of this group suddenly becoming masterful with the ball at their feet in those kinds of conditions, that's all. Perhaps he really does have a longer term vision in place that will see us not only adapt his ideas but have the kind of talent on the field that can better implement at that level.
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26 Nov 2017, 02:39 PM
This is all part of a bigger view really. In Scotland, when we're outclassed, the first response is along the lines of "fight", "tackle more", "defend better", "make it hard for the opposition" etc etc
BTW when it comes down to it I'm as guilty as the next guy but that's just not how a lot of the very good football nations (particularly in South America) approach the game at all. It's all about what you do with the ball and if you're not good enough, you're not good enough, simple as that. It's not like the other aspects of the game aren't important it's just that the vast majority of attention is on being better with the ball. BRs philosophy is out to break up some old, out of date viewpoints.

Against PSG, with space limited and time on the ball marginalised, we got found out. Decent on the break, relatively pacy but if you squeeze us we'll cough up the ball easily. I get where BR is coming from, I admire his integrity on this issue, I just don't see certain members of this group suddenly becoming masterful with the ball at their feet in those kinds of conditions, that's all. Perhaps he really does have a longer term vision in place that will see us not only adapt his ideas but have the kind of talent on the field that can better implement at that level.
I think if you look back at Brendan's coaching career I think the season that he had Swansea in the English Premier League is possibly the closest comparison to what he is trying to do with us now.

There are obviously huge differences in that our domestic opposition is nothing like what they had, and Swansea didn't play in Europe that season, but he was basically building up the players that he had, bringing others in on a comparatively low budget to play proper football, and to resist the temptation to retreat within themselves, get physical and play it long.

Whilst Swansea didn't lose 7 goals in a match or anything close to it that season - they shipped 4 on a good few occasions I think - if you look back at their results they do show gradual improvement during the season, as the players gained in confidence. I think they eventually finished 11th or thereabouts.

Like everyone else I'd obviously rather we hadn't lost seven goals on Wednesday, or against Barcelona last season, and I hope it doesn't happen again. But it is a symptom of us trying to build these players up to play in this way. Part of this is working out what we do when better teams begin to press us, and that will be the next stage in the process. But looking at the bigger picture that defeat on Wednesday is not going to derail our players' or the team's progress. It looks bad on paper, but the reality is that it is not really any different to a 4-0 defeat, which we probably would have recieved had we went defensive.

Another aspect about Wednesday as well is possibly the players' mentality. I got them impression that their belief sort of melted away as soon as PSG equalised, almost like a 'here we go again' malaise descended over them. That's an issue that was initially a hangover from Ronny's time that I thought we had got rid of, but there were signs that it had returned during the PSG game. Hopefully that's just a one-off, but at least they weren't defeated as soon as they came out the tunnel, which was my impression away to Bayern.
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When are we going to get beaten?
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Last Wednesday. Wasn't nice.
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