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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,900 Views)
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24 Nov 2017, 11:41 PM
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So, essentially hope to park the bus and hope we can get Neymar sent off? I would personally have stuck Kouassi in instead of Rogic. But otherwise, the team had to include all the players we had who could try to keep the ball. Armstrong - and I'm one of his biggest fans on here - wasn't suited and according to Brendan wasn't fit. Rodgers wasn't being unrealistic, he never set the team out the way we play against Hearts, he cobbled together his back four which fell apart after 12 minutes. He had the much vaunted Forrest in for his defensive qualities, McGregor again much vaunted for his ability to keep the ball. Rogic was poor but was in as a link to Dembele. It's not about realism, it's about a) lack of good defenders b) lack of quality players at this level c) and getting blootered by the inform money rich team in Europe. Who have a razor sharp attack which ruthlessly exploited a) and b)
In that case, would it not be more realistic to drill them into a defensive unit, than to expect them to get to a position where they are comfortable in possession, under pressure, from the best players in the world, who are streets ahead of us in terms of technique and athleticism? We all want to see good football and our players being brave on the ball. The equaliser the other night came from a slack pass in our own half. Brown got robbed in the same position in Astana. We get away with these type of mistakes in the league as teams aren’t good enough to punish us. Gordon’s distribution gets badly exposed at this level too. Losing 7 goals at this level, can’t be giving the players confidence, no matter how the manager dresses it up. We’ve looked dangerous in every game we’ve played at CL level other than PSG at home. We got thumped by Barca but were still good enough to win a pen. We looked dangerous going forward on the break on Wed. If we were sitting in against these teams, we would still create chances over the piece. The longer these teams take to score the more frustrated they can get, crowds get frustrated, they start to rush things or run out of ideas etc. We throw away early goals and allow teams to relax and rip the carrot. None of us like to see our team clinging on for dear life but points make prizes. More money, better players + coefficient etc. By all means, have a go, against the BM, Anderlechts and such like but we need to be defensively organised against the big guns, otherwise, getting hit for 7 will become a regular thing, and none of us want that. Per my prev post totally agree - btw we both would point out Brendan’s did a great job so far but I can’t understand the other argument that he’s got a way of playing so we need to persevere with it in every game.I would say to replace our CBS would cost what ? At Liverpool he could have bought any CB he wanted but again his belief in his style of play would have negated that. All I’m saying is that for a few games away from home against the elite each season we change that.Bearing in mind the players at his disposal for Liverpool were infinitely better than what we have, indeed he even left Gerrard out against Real and look what happened there.Dont get me wrong I’m a massive fan of Brendan but as TEG has recently stated his stubborness tactically is his one weak point.
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25 Nov 2017, 01:17 AM
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BRENDAN RODGERS pulled on the handbrake and turned off the ignition. The Celtic boss parked the bus outside Parkhead in the Hoops’ latest Christmas video. But there’s still no way he’ll steer from his principles as a coach and set up his Celts to do the same. Rodgers again refused to go safety first in the Parc des Princes on Wednesday — and saw his team brutally dismantled by PSG. The 7-1 slaughter — and his defence of the performance — saw Rodgers face real criticism for the first time since taking charge last year. But anyone who thinks that will see him stray from his beliefs should think again. Asked if losses like that make it harder to sell his message about how he wants the game played, Rodgers said: “No. I don’t need to justify to anyone how we play, as long as the players want to play and work that way. “We are defensively very strong. Our first and foremost thought is to defend. “People have asked if I’d have done anything different, but we played a back five. “We played four midfielders and we played one up front. “What do they want us to play? Seven at the back, two midfield players and one up front? “Or do they want me to be camped in around the box and lose 4-0? No chance. It won’t happen. “I live in the reality. Of course the scoreboard wasn’t what we’d have wanted. But my feeling after the game was different to after the Barcelona game last year. “When I watched the PSG game again and analysed it, I thought we were excellent in the first 20 minutes. “How we defended, how we pressed, how aggressive we were — we earned the right to play. “That part was good. Of course, a mixture of us not defending as well and the sheer speed and quality of their game meant, all of a sudden, we were 4-1 behind at half-time. “We started the second half really well. Then, through a mixture of a little bit of tiredness setting in during that last period, they scored more. But you also have to say the exceptional finishing of Dani Alves, Edinson Cavani and Marco Verratti had a lot to do with it. “PSG had 11 shots and scored seven goals. You have to admire how clinical they were, you have to admire their sheer quality. “But I also admire the courage of my players to go and play and give everything in the game, and defend as well as they possibly could. “We just got outdone by a really top-level team. You have to then come away from it, look at that in isolation, learn from it of course then move on. That’s what we will do. “Of course, we’ll always analyse it and think we could have defended better. “But don’t start asking me to do something different. “We did exactly the same against Bayern Munich and the narrative for that game was we did really well, and it was justified by how we played. “We play how we play — which is firstly to defend aggressively and strong with real commitment. That is what we did. “You have to realise that may not be enough sometimes at the high level we play at. “I am not going to worry about it. We are going to try and improve and do better. “I will focus on my work and us developing and improving, not just for the short term but for the longer term.” Just a few hours before Rodgers spoke to the press, the Hoops unveiled their latest festive advert. Rodgers is behind the wheel of a Citylink coach, while skipper Scott Brown and Stuart Armstrong are co-pilots on a plane, Mikael Lustig has a comedy cabin crew cameo and Craig Gordon dons a hi-viz jacket as a steward. When it was pointed out it was ironic he was parking a bus, Rodgers grinned: “I would have needed a fleet of them over there wouldn’t I? “But it was brilliant fun. The team at the stadium do great with it. It’s the second one I’ve been involved in. “They put a lot of time and effort into it and it brings fun at this time of the year, which is important.” Despite the plastering in Paris boss Rodgers insists he won’t have to lift the mood of his players before Sunday’s Hampden final against Motherwell. He added: “Not at all. I haven’t had to lift them. We’ve created a culture. We had it last year that if you lose a game you reflect on it then we move on. “Very quickly you have another big game when you play for Celtic. “Naturally we are disappointed. There would probably be lots of teams come in and the changing room would be fractured. “You would have one group pointing the finger, one group not, another group not sure of what camp to be in. “The strength here is we are unified win or lose. “Our players’ mentality is fostered to be humble when you win and honest when you lose, and just be better the next time we play.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/rodgers-wont
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BRENDAN RODGERS reckons criticism of his tactics proves he’s got BALLS. SunSport columnist Kris Boyd was among a host of pundits who slammed Celtic boss Rodgers after he stuck to his guns to attack PSG in the 7-1 Champions League loss. Rodgers insists he won’t take notice of the snipers – and insists the flak comes with asking his team to be brave. He said: “Of course no one wants to lose 7-1. It will always be open to ridicule from people who either don’t watch the game or just look at the result. “I can’t affect that. I don’t worry. When you try to have balls to play you are always going to be open to that. “I’ve learned through experience to not listen to criticism. It’s normally from people who don’t have any commitment to anything. “They speak, they talk, they get paid for an opinion. But it doesn’t bother me. I’m here to do the best for Celtic, and I’ll do what I think is best for the club. “Hopefully up until this point it’s been OK. The players showed courage to play in Paris. “When you have an attacking philosophy then people think you don’t necessarily work on defending. Fundamentally we defend very well, in terms of how we press, the aggression we have. “But you also have to respect we’ve come from Ross County on Saturday to play away at PSG. “It’s not something our players are used to, unfortunately, that speed. But there will always be criticism.” TalkSPORT ran a poll on whether Rodgers should QUIT in the wake of the humiliation in France. Rodgers, whose side take on Motherwell in Sunday’s Betfred Cup Final, has grown to deal with flak better the longer he’s been a boss. Rodgers added: “There are so many critics now. You know it’s there, but you learn to regulate it as you gain more experience. “You tend not to worry as much. Critics will be asking me about a system against Aberdeen they had not seen before. “But we’ve been playing it for over a year. These are the guys who are coming into it now so you tend not to worry. “You think about it a wee bit more when you are starting in the game. “But there are so many other things in life that are worse than losing a football match. “Of course you are disappointed for the supporters and players. “But you are not going to concern yourselves overly with what people say on the back of losing to the likes of PSG. “You learn with experience you will have good days and bad days. “The bad days happen in football, but it’s about how you react. It’s creating a culture. “As long as you have honest people and honest players around you, then you can’t complain. “The criticism usually comes from the people who do not have that commitment.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/celtic-boss
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25 Nov 2017, 01:36 AM
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Heh. So last year the agenda was that Rodgers was so good that we would lose him to Arsenal.
This year, it's that we should want rid of him for losing heavily to a team whose most expensive signing is over triple our turnover.
Sorry hacks! He's here for 10
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Hail!Hail!
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25 Nov 2017, 05:37 AM
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We lost 6 of the goals in 2 ten minute spells, 5 of them due to basics for me that suggests that it is our players shampooting the bed when things go against them is to blame rather any flaw in Brendan's overall gameplan the other night.
That said I wish he would allow his players some pragmatic flexibility i.e. some putting the ball in row Z to regroup or MON style sticking one of their players with a robust but fairish challenge or 3. The latter may not always work but in the past its has worked as a bit of an equaliser when were are heavily outmatched technically.
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25 Nov 2017, 09:47 AM
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A lot of the goals we lost were down to crazy passages of play involving our supposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo, yet again?
It's not exactly rocket science, is it? We have the best possible management team in place, now sign some decent players to improve the first team!
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25 Nov 2017, 10:47 AM
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Brendan laying the gauntlet down.
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25 Nov 2017, 11:10 AM
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A lot of the goals we lost were down to crazy passages of play involving our supposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo, yet again?
It's not exactly rocket science, is it? We have the best possible management team in place, now sign some decent players to improve the first team! If we neglect the fact that Brown in particular is one of our best performers at this level, then yes I'd agree he is a weak link at this level.
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25 Nov 2017, 11:20 AM
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If Brendan wants to maintain that style of play then we have to invest in better players every season. This year's money (and any surplus from last year) should go to building a solid defence. I would keep Tierney and Boyata and look for a centre half with a bit of experience to go right into the first team and pair with Boyata and an improvement on Lustig and Gordon. Next season should be about tightening up the defence.
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25 Nov 2017, 11:30 AM
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A lot of the goals we lost were down to crazy passages of play involving our supposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo, yet again?
It's not exactly rocket science, is it? We have the best possible management team in place, now sign some decent players to improve the first team!
If we neglect the fact that Brown in particular is one of our best performers at this level, then yes I'd agree he is a weak link at this level. Brown has done ok. Not convinced though when under pressure his good enough.
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25 Nov 2017, 11:33 AM
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A lot of the goals we lost were down to crazy passages of play involving our supposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo, yet again?
It's not exactly rocket science, is it? We have the best possible management team in place, now sign some decent players to improve the first team!
If we neglect the fact that Brown in particular is one of our best performers at this level, then yes I'd agree he is a weak link at this level.
Brown has done ok. Not convinced though when under pressure his good enough. We've been under plenty of pressure in the CL matches and he's been our most consistent player in the tournament.
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25 Nov 2017, 12:07 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepsupposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo
Brown has done ok. Not convinced though when under pressure his good enough.
We've been under plenty of pressure in the CL matches and he's been our most consistent player in the tournament. He had the highest completed pass rate percentage of any player in the CL Group stage last season - 96% IIRC
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25 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepsupposed more influential players, ffsaxes!
Brown in particular, is very often a weak link at this level.
Brendan deserves all of our support, but more importantly, is Desmond gonna pony up, and force his lackeys hand, into delivering the talent we need, in certain areas of the pitch?
Or is it samo
We've been under plenty of pressure in the CL matches and he's been our most consistent player in the tournament.
He had the highest completed pass rate percentage of any player in the CL Group stage last season - 96% IIRC The original comment was nonsense. I'd love to know what he thinks of our other midfielders if Brown is the weak link.
Still, he got round to his favourite subject in the end. DD/Lawwell bad.
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25 Nov 2017, 02:18 PM
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Humped. By probably the most expensive team ever assembled, so what?
When the draw was made we knew what was coming and 3rd place was the target. We've more or less got that. Take the money. Move on to the lesser competition, and get a few more quid.
Start again next season and maybe get a kinder draw. We should be better by then.
Cup final tomorrow, and the chance to win 4 trophies on he bounce.
It could be worse, a lot worse, maybe pumped at home by Hamilton and away at bottom feeder Dundee.
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25 Nov 2017, 03:08 PM
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Humped. By probably the most expensive team ever assembled, so what?
When the draw was made we knew what was coming and 3rd place was the target. We've more or less got that. Take the money. Move on to the lesser competition, and get a few more quid.
Start again next season and maybe get a kinder draw. We should be better by then.
Cup final tomorrow, and the chance to win 4 trophies on he bounce.
It could be worse, a lot worse, maybe pumped at home by Hamilton and away at bottom feeder Dundee.
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25 Nov 2017, 03:24 PM
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PSG are a freak of nature these days. They have scored something like 67 goals in 18 games this season. They have become record goalscorers in the group stages, with a game to spare!
They have scored six goals on two occasions and five on four different occasions.
It's unfair to measure Brendan and the team against PSG. Brendan's system worked fine in Belgium and we gave Bayern a hell of a game in Glasgow, with the highest possession stats I have ever seen from us against a European Heavyweight.
I like what Brendan is trying to implement and hopefully he continues to ignore the calls to park the bus.
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25 Nov 2017, 03:26 PM
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Folk pointing to the heavy defeats and BR's CL record.
Also need to recognise that he has managed 5 points in 6 CL away games which is more than MON, WGS and NL managed in total over their combined 24 away games (excluding the knockout games away).
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25 Nov 2017, 04:12 PM
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Folk pointing to the heavy defeats and BR's CL record.
Also need to recognise that he has managed 5 points in 6 CL away games which is more than MON, WGS and NL managed in total over their combined 24 away games (excluding the knockout games away). Don't mention their comparative home records though..
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25 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Idylwyld summed it up best in a previous post. Rodgers wins the games you would expect to and loses the ones you would expect to.
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25 Nov 2017, 05:20 PM
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- 25 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
Idylwyld summed it up best in a previous post. Rodgers wins the games you would expect to and loses the ones you would expect to. Is this the new 'Neil Lennon doesn't win big games?'
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25 Nov 2017, 05:26 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Idylwyld summed it up best in a previous post. Rodgers wins the games you would expect to and loses the ones you would expect to.
Is this the new 'Neil Lennon doesn't win big games?' No.
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