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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,901 Views)
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Kris Commons in being a floof shocker.
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It's not about realism, it's about a) lack of good defenders b) lack of quality players at this level c) and getting blootered by the inform money rich team in Europe. Who have a razor sharp attack which ruthlessly exploited a) and b)

Do you absolve the manager/coaching staff of all blame, then? Not trying to argue, just curious if that's how you see it. :thumbsup:
Not at all. I understand the difficulty of the job they have though. He needs to address the areas of the park that we are weak .

Edited by Flawless, 24 Nov 2017, 02:52 PM.
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Dare I say it but commons has a point there.
Commons played in the Celtic team for 7 years, between 2010 and 2017. He had 1 outstanding result against Barcelona and managed to beat the Russians home and away in the same group to progress.

The rest of his Celtic Euro careers was a toss up between average and embarrassing. Malmo, Molde, Sion, Legia, Karagandy away with the added horsing from a piss poor AC Milan side at home, so much for hard to beat Kris. :suspect:
If his point is that we have better players now, but that top teams are now beating us by 7 instead of 2 or 3, what does it matter what the result was against Molde? His main point seems to be that as a minimum, you should be difficult to break down and Lenny etc. seemed to achieve that better than BR is doing so far.
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Some amount of tosh being talked on here to try and defend the indefensible. Brendan has done many good things since he arrived but there is no way round the fact that he is on the verge of turning us in to a joke in the CL.
Last season against Barca was poor but he could argue that he was only in the door. There is no such excuse now. He knows his players, their strengths and weaknesses. A coach or manager has a duty to the supporters and players to pick the best players and formation that will get as good a result as they can. No one is saying that we should “park the bus” but we are entitled to see a team work harder to deny our opponents cheap goals.
Footballing philosophies are great if you can afford them! We self evidently cannot afford the type of players that Brendan needs to implement his ideas. There was no aggressive defending last night, no great high pressing for 9 minutes let alone 90
Even Ronnie won the league in Scotland, any decent competent manager would. Most would also give us a fighting chance of CL qualification.
No patience. Takes more than 14 months to change the viewpoint of a generation of a whole nation on how to approach these games. When was the last time we went to a place like Anderlecht and spanked them 3 going on 6 ? Rodgers knows what he is doing and won't listen to panic merchants screaming for 11 behind the ball at the slightest hint of a problem. Fair enough to blow off steam on a internet thread but get a grip. If you can't see the bigger picture that Rodgers is going for then you are in for many an anxious moment in his reign
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24 Nov 2017, 02:55 PM
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24 Nov 2017, 12:42 PM
Dare I say it but commons has a point there.
Commons played in the Celtic team for 7 years, between 2010 and 2017. He had 1 outstanding result against Barcelona and managed to beat the Russians home and away in the same group to progress.

The rest of his Celtic Euro careers was a toss up between average and embarrassing. Malmo, Molde, Sion, Legia, Karagandy away with the added horsing from a piss poor AC Milan side at home, so much for hard to beat Kris. :suspect:
If his point is that we have better players now, but that top teams are now beating us by 7 instead of 2 or 3, what does it matter what the result was against Molde? His main point seems to be that as a minimum, you should be difficult to break down and Lenny etc. seemed to achieve that better than BR is doing so far.
It's not his point that I have an issue with. Of course he's right that we shouldn't be getting battered by 7. Obviously that is correct. It's the w§y he says it as if in his day that sort of thing never happened. AS others have said, the Barca result was the exception that proved the rule while Commons was playing. We were atrocious in Europe for much of his time.

If it's big Sutton saying it, or Henrik, or Thommo then I'd say "alright fair enough, they had more than enough successes to cancel out the bad ones." But not Commons.
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Hoof the ball up the park?

Posession is key, launching it up the pitch does nothing to stop the inevitable. Give it away don't get it back.

If the solution is to be some British side from yesteryear who play kick and rush then would rather not bother.
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I'll take a pass when listening to anyone called Kris with a K talks about anything. ( apologies to the one on here but you're included ;) )
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24 Nov 2017, 03:10 PM
Hoof the ball up the park?

Posession is key, launching it up the pitch does nothing to stop the inevitable. Give it away don't get it back.

If the solution is to be some British side from yesteryear who play kick and rush then would rather not bother.
Possession is key when you have players who are capable - we don't
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Sorry, I just ain't ever getting off this bus.
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What does John Kennedy even do in that advert?
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We need an experienced defender or two. Also need someone anchored in front of the defence against higher calibre opposition.

Getting hit for 4 , 5 and seven isn't on. Park our bus and counter attack.
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24 Nov 2017, 03:10 PM
Hoof the ball up the park?

Posession is key, launching it up the pitch does nothing to stop the inevitable. Give it away don't get it back.

If the solution is to be some British side from yesteryear who play kick and rush then would rather not bother.
We don't have to launch it but we are giving away a lot of goals due to really sloppy play in our own half. There can be a compromise. As Kingsley said, we need better players to play the way we want, we'll get there but meantime I think we need to be a bit more pragmatic.
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Sorry, I just ain't ever getting off this bus.
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What does John Kennedy even do in that advert?
he gets the bags on and off - which judging from some of our defending is what he does at lennoxtown too
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What does John Kennedy even do in that advert?
he gets the bags on and off - which judging from some of our defending is what he does at lennoxtown too
Mine was just a joke.
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24 Nov 2017, 03:36 PM
We need an experienced defender or two. Also need someone anchored in front of the defence against higher calibre opposition.

Getting hit for 4 , 5 and seven isn't on. Park our bus and counter attack.
Just as important as that is a keeper who can pull us out a hole. We lose too many goals which aren't directly Gordon's fault but which he could have done better with. Similar to David Marshall in that sense.
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We need an experienced defender or two. Also need someone anchored in front of the defence against higher calibre opposition.

Getting hit for 4 , 5 and seven isn't on. Park our bus and counter attack.
Disagree about parking the bus, but someone who could organise the entire defence would make a world of a difference.
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I would have went a bit old school to be honest.

two banks of 4

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Lustig Boyata Jozo KT

Armstong Brown Ntcham Forrest

Dembele

Free role to McGregor or Kouassi to man mark Neymar. Sole job would be to stick to and frustrate that wee rat. Get him to react and even get himself sent of. Stick to him like glue and follow him wherever he goes. Wait outside the dressing room at HT for him - rile him up. Just don't let him breathe.

Forrest/Armstrong could support Dembele on the break.

Binning the Neymar idea it would be two banks of four with Brown sitting with Kouassi in beside Ntcham. 4-1-4-1

So, essentially hope to park the bus and hope we can get Neymar sent off?

I would personally have stuck Kouassi in instead of Rogic. But otherwise, the team had to include all the players we had who could try to keep the ball. Armstrong - and I'm one of his biggest fans on here - wasn't suited and according to Brendan wasn't fit.

Rodgers wasn't being unrealistic, he never set the team out the way we play against Hearts, he cobbled together his back four which fell apart after 12 minutes. He had the much vaunted Forrest in for his defensive qualities, McGregor again much vaunted for his ability to keep the ball. Rogic was poor but was in as a link to Dembele.

It's not about realism, it's about a) lack of good defenders b) lack of quality players at this level c) and getting blootered by the inform money rich team in Europe. Who have a razor sharp attack which ruthlessly exploited a) and b)

In that case, would it not be more realistic to drill them into a defensive unit, than to expect them to get to a position where they are comfortable in possession, under pressure, from the best players in the world, who are streets ahead of us in terms of technique and athleticism?

We all want to see good football and our players being brave on the ball. The equaliser the other night came from a slack pass in our own half. Brown got robbed in the same position in Astana. We get away with these type of mistakes in the league as teams aren’t good enough to punish us. Gordon’s distribution gets badly exposed at this level too.

Losing 7 goals at this level, can’t be giving the players confidence, no matter how the manager dresses it up. We’ve looked dangerous in every game we’ve played at CL level other than PSG at home. We got thumped by Barca but were still good enough to win a pen. We looked dangerous going forward on the break on Wed.

If we were sitting in against these teams, we would still create chances over the piece. The longer these teams take to score the more frustrated they can get, crowds get frustrated, they start to rush things or run out of ideas etc.

We throw away early goals and allow teams to relax and rip the carrot.

None of us like to see our team clinging on for dear life but points make prizes. More money, better players + coefficient etc.

By all means, have a go, against the BM, Anderlechts and such like but we need to be defensively organised against the big guns, otherwise, getting hit for 7 will become a regular thing, and none of us want that.






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BR on MD's goal against PSG: '...the earliest consolation goal in history'. :lol:
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24 Nov 2017, 06:28 PM
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We need an experienced defender or two. Also need someone anchored in front of the defence against higher calibre opposition.

Getting hit for 4 , 5 and seven isn't on. Park our bus and counter attack.
Disagree about parking the bus, but someone who could organise the entire defence would make a world of a difference.
Think this is a very good point. :thumbsup:
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