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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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LambertandButler
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It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

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LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

So getting beaten 8-0 over the two games would have been way more acceptable? And if not, what sort of score would you have found palatable?

We have one aim - Euro football after Christmas - it's on track. Think back to the seasons with Ronny Deila and look at now. If you can't see progress then you must be registered blind.
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The advantage we have at home right now does not help us when it comes to Europe. Very hard for the manager to work on a different system when we are seldom tested as our record run testifies.
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searcher52
23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM
LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

So getting beaten 8-0 over the two games would have been way more acceptable? And if not, what sort of score would you have found palatable?

We have one aim - Euro football after Christmas - it's on track. Think back to the seasons with Ronny Deila and look at now. If you can't see progress then you must be registered blind.
I seem to remember you being one of Deila's stoutest defenders on here
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searcher52
23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM
LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

So getting beaten 8-0 over the two games would have been way more acceptable?
Yes.

FFS. :lol:

From a purely practical point of view, it would have meant Anderlecht needing to beat us by 4 rather than 3.
Edited by dannyclyro, 23 Nov 2017, 02:19 PM.
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Cossy
23 Nov 2017, 01:24 PM
searcher52
23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM
LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

So getting beaten 8-0 over the two games would have been way more acceptable? And if not, what sort of score would you have found palatable?

We have one aim - Euro football after Christmas - it's on track. Think back to the seasons with Ronny Deila and look at now. If you can't see progress then you must be registered blind.
I seem to remember you being one of Deila's stoutest defenders on here
Yes, I did support him, however his record speaks for itself and in hindsight it was a bad move all round for the club. The difference in performance under Brendan Rodgers from a large number of players who were part of the Ronny Deila teams tells us that progress can be and has been made. You'd think to hear some people talk about our heavy defeats that we were actually going backwards.
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23 Nov 2017, 01:44 PM
Cossy
23 Nov 2017, 01:24 PM
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23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM

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I seem to remember you being one of Deila's stoutest defenders on here
Yes, I did support him, however his record speaks for itself and in hindsight it was a bad move all round for the club. The difference in performance under Brendan Rodgers from a large number of players who were part of the Ronny Deila teams tells us that progress can be and has been made. You'd think to hear some people talk about our heavy defeats that we were actually going backwards.
We didn't get many basics right in defence. That might have been down to Lustig going off, Jozo being rusty, not signing a CB in the summer etc.

But we were a shambles. Never looked like defending as a unit, and not withstanding the above, they looked like they'd been put together at the nearest Metro stop.
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There's no doubt that the manager is great for Celtic, but going into yesterday my first thought was to avoid a record defeat.

We have a way of playing and a philosophy, but if we need to throw in an extra defender or make things harder for the opposition, that's not a betrayal of our principles. We've done it before under Rodgers so there's no reason why we shouldn't do it again depending on the opposition.

We don't want to be in a position where we go into games knowing that the better team will win. We need to sometimes give them a punch in the baws and take it from there. I know we got horsed a few times under MON, but I never thought before a game that we wouldn't stand up to them.

All that said, it's a lot easier sitting typing this than it is trying to keep tabs on the likes of Neymar during a game. They have the touch to be able to play the ball at a speed we can't cope with. Most other teams would have the ball bouncing off them, or giving us half a chance to recover and put a tackle in, but they're just gone and the game's opened up.

Unfortunately, we're there to make up the numbers, but with a bit more luck with the draw, avoiding the likes of PSG, we would still have a chance to get to the last 16 some years.

The teams we now have to beat just to get into the competition would have been the kind of opposition we that could have seen us into the quarter finals when the competition was more fairly weighted. Maybe those sponsored/funded by countries/sheiks/oligarchs etc should just all eff off into their own mini-league and leave the rest of the clubs to get on with it.

Outwith Celtic games, the CL is a waste of time for me.

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23 Nov 2017, 01:44 PM
Cossy
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23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM

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I seem to remember you being one of Deila's stoutest defenders on here
Yes, I did support him, however his record speaks for itself and in hindsight it was a bad move all round for the club. The difference in performance under Brendan Rodgers from a large number of players who were part of the Ronny Deila teams tells us that progress can be and has been made. You'd think to hear some people talk about our heavy defeats that we were actually going backwards.
Clearly in general we are miles ahead of where we were. He's done an amazing job.

The question is are we learning lessons in these types of games. If we want to do better then we obviously need to.

Last night makes me think we really aren't. It's the same mistakes again and again.
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23 Nov 2017, 11:24 AM
Sorry, I just ain't ever getting off this bus.
Deila left mate :there:
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LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 02:46 PM
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23 Nov 2017, 01:44 PM
Cossy
23 Nov 2017, 01:24 PM

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Yes, I did support him, however his record speaks for itself and in hindsight it was a bad move all round for the club. The difference in performance under Brendan Rodgers from a large number of players who were part of the Ronny Deila teams tells us that progress can be and has been made. You'd think to hear some people talk about our heavy defeats that we were actually going backwards.
Clearly in general we are miles ahead of where we were. He's done an amazing job.

The question is are we learning lessons in these types of games. If we want to do better then we obviously need to.

Last night makes me think we really aren't. It's the same mistakes again and again.
Bang on. Look at mpabbes goal against us at Celtic park . We left a 160m striker free with all the time in the world at back post as kt had been dragged out as Sinclair didn't track back. Fast forward last night and we do the exact same thing to the exact same striker. Kt gets pulled in and mcgregor doesn't track back. If mpabbe pulls off a moment of magic which he more than capable of fair enough you hold your hands up. But both those goals were through lack of concentration/organisation.
Edited by mrober20, 23 Nov 2017, 03:00 PM.
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23 Nov 2017, 02:39 PM
There's no doubt that the manager is great for Celtic, but going into yesterday my first thought was to avoid a record defeat.

We have a way of playing and a philosophy, but if we need to throw in an extra defender or make things harder for the opposition, that's not a betrayal of our principles. We've done it before under Rodgers so there's no reason why we shouldn't do it again depending on the opposition.

We don't want to be in a position where we go into games knowing that the better team will win. We need to sometimes give them a punch in the baws and take it from there. I know we got horsed a few times under MON, but I never thought before a game that we wouldn't stand up to them.

All that said, it's a lot easier sitting typing this than it is trying to keep tabs on the likes of Neymar during a game. They have the touch to be able to play the ball at a speed we can't cope with. Most other teams would have the ball bouncing off them, or giving us half a chance to recover and put a tackle in, but they're just gone and the game's opened up.

Unfortunately, we're there to make up the numbers, but with a bit more luck with the draw, avoiding the likes of PSG, we would still have a chance to get to the last 16 some years.

The teams we now have to beat just to get into the competition would have been the kind of opposition we that could have seen us into the quarter finals when the competition was more fairly weighted. Maybe those sponsored/funded by countries/sheiks/oligarchs etc should just all eff off into their own mini-league and leave the rest of the clubs to get on with it.

Outwith Celtic games, the CL is a waste of time for me.

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The problem with going more pragmatic is it ends up making the domestic football effing boring. Its almost impossible to completely change the philosophy for what amounts to a maximum of 3 games a season. I'm not sure how Brendan could have set the team out differently last night. We didnt go toe to toe with them, we made lots and lots of stupid mistakes in the middle of the park and we were cut open within seconds.

The big problem against the elite isnt just the defense (although that does need improved), its the midfield. They very rarely offer any protection to the defense. When we won with Caldwell and McManus at the back, they had Hartley and Robson in front of them. Unfortunately they played like that every week.

Lennon had Ledley and Wanyama infront of Ambrose and Kelvin effing Wilson when we beat Barcelona. Last night we had McGregor and Rogic not doing very much, and Scott Brown getting 1-2s played around him with the ball in the net 5 seconds later.

Hopefully Kouassi and Ntcham can become those players that can protect the defense while still being good enough to play forward passes to Celtic players.
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We just can't go toe to toe with the likes of Barca and PSG. Some of the other three and four seeds? Absolutely, we should go all out but against the truly top sides, the gubbings will continue. We need to play more compact, more aggressively and with our eye on frustrating that kind of opposition rather than surprising them.
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Regardless of their quality and expenditure, losing 12 goals over two games is a riddy at this level of professional football.
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Whats done is done.

The board better back him in the next windows so we can get a solid defence in place. Some of our play was great to watch last night.

BR said he had a 3 year plan to get us to where we should be in Europe. We're better than last year and will be better next year, if he's backed.
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dannyclyro
23 Nov 2017, 01:38 PM
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23 Nov 2017, 01:04 PM
LambertandButler
23 Nov 2017, 12:23 PM
It's a bit frustrating that people insist on hearing 'we shouldn't be getting beat' when people say 'we shouldn't be getting beat 7-1'.

The idea that 12-1 over two games is par or anything like it is daft and insulting.

So getting beaten 8-0 over the two games would have been way more acceptable?
Yes.

FFS. :lol:

From a purely practical point of view, it would have meant Anderlecht needing to beat us by 4 rather than 3.
Anderlecht need to beat us by 4 rather than 3 because we beat them 3-0, and it's our head to head against them that counts. What the score was between us and PSG has no bearing on whether Anderlecht overtake us or not. Anderlecht will finish ahead of us if they end up on more points than us (not possible) or finish level on points & have a better head to head against us (possible). Nothing to do with goal difference overall.
Edited by stevie21, 23 Nov 2017, 04:48 PM.
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23 Nov 2017, 04:48 PM
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Yes.

FFS. :lol:

From a purely practical point of view, it would have meant Anderlecht needing to beat us by 4 rather than 3.
Anderlecht need to beat us by 4 rather than 3 because we beat them 3-0, and it's our head to head against them that counts. What the score was between us and PSG has no bearing on whether Anderlecht overtake us or not. Anderlecht will finish ahead of us if they end up on more points than us (not possible) or finish level on points & have a better head to head against us (possible). Nothing to do with goal difference overall.
If they beat us 3-0 the head to head is equal and goes to goal difference, which they will go through with as they will be 3 goals better off than we will.

They wont win 3-0 though so it doesn't matter
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The amount of comments I've seen (not just on here, I mean in the wider media including from Brendan himself) defending the decision to go toe to toe with PSG instead of being a bit more circumspect is effing mental.

Either the boss knew we would get effing horsed again, accepted that, and thought it was STILL a good idea (or the best idea in his system) to do it, or he didn't think we'd end up getting skelped so badly. Either way that's two utterly ginormous defeats in the CL in two seasons. I'm not even including the asseffing they gave us at CP. Either way, an inability to look at something and think 'if I do that we'll get pumped by a record scoreline' and then not go and friggin do it anyways - no matter how good Brendan has been for Celtic, is concerning. Are we really to believe there's no honour, no justification, in trying to make yourselves difficult to beat from time to time? eff sake the Italians - much as I thnk they're the world's most boring team - have done it forever, and won stuff too.

I think Brendan is brilliant, and he's done a brililant job, but it cannot be the case that we rock up ad infinitum for these games shampooting ourselves that our crazy setup is going to see us effed sideways to the point we're praying to keep them to 'only' 7 goals. There isn't a team on the planet that should be able to do that to this Celtic team. 4 or 5 maybe, on a good day, but last night was a joke.
Edited by CHR15, 23 Nov 2017, 05:00 PM.
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Some utter nonsense getting posted on here, it would be funny if it wasn’t embarrassing
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