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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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littlegmbhoy
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23 Nov 2017, 09:08 AM
I don't think it fair to match ourselves against PSG as I think they are freaky this season, matched against Bayern and Anderlecht and we've competed reasonably well IMHO and have shown progress
Of course we are on for 3rd place which realistically was our target.

It does not waiver from the fact we tried to play to an extent a presuure game aginst PSG & Bayern & in 3 out of the 4 games we got a doing and have lost 17 goals in 4 games.

The manager is responsible for that. Sad but true. I love him by the way but he is not beyond critiscim. He needs to stop playing as such. If feyenoord and Basel plus 1 or 2 others can play that way and get results or not get real doings then so can we. He maybe needs to be less stuvbborn about he says it and change the system tactics & players for games as such.

2 teams we faced in the group are miles in front of us and thats fine but the level of goals conceded and manner of defeats I would suggest could have been less and not as severe.

Roll on Sunday he will pick them up and we go for back to back trebles now...Only fear in Europoe now is if we go to last 16/8 in Europa he maintains this approach!!! Good chance we wil get smashed again away from home.
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Neilly
23 Nov 2017, 01:10 AM
No plan B when we simply don’t have the quality of player to implement Plan A at this level.

A more pragmatic manager would have binned this fantasy football a year ago.

Another embarrassing gubbing and, more worryingly, he doesn’t seem willing to learn his lesson. Expect more record breaking thrashing’s to come.

I'm sure Tommy Wright will soon have yous playing the more pragmatic football you crave
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remy mcswain
23 Nov 2017, 09:25 AM
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23 Nov 2017, 09:22 AM
bigkev
23 Nov 2017, 12:36 AM
Once again we tried to go toe to toe.
How so?

That formation was far from trying to go toe 2 toe.
McGregor and Rogic are renowned, of course, for their defensive work.
Folk were clamouring for rogic to be in the starting 11 before the game. What Rodgers did get wrong last night was the midfield. It should have been the same as bayern at home.
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23 Nov 2017, 09:41 AM
Neilly
23 Nov 2017, 01:10 AM
No plan B when we simply don’t have the quality of player to implement Plan A at this level.

A more pragmatic manager would have binned this fantasy football a year ago.

Another embarrassing gubbing and, more worryingly, he doesn’t seem willing to learn his lesson. Expect more record breaking thrashing’s to come.

I'm sure Tommy Wright will soon have yous playing the more pragmatic football you crave
:ffs:
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23 Nov 2017, 09:30 AM
subtle_anxiety
23 Nov 2017, 02:18 AM
Yup Brendan out !!!

:ffs: :ffs:
Any slight critique = KDS WANTS BRENDAN SACKED BY RA WAY!
Any bad result = imagined references to Sevco and fake goals. :lol:
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23 Nov 2017, 09:45 AM
lepetitmerde
23 Nov 2017, 09:41 AM
Neilly
23 Nov 2017, 01:10 AM
No plan B when we simply don’t have the quality of player to implement Plan A at this level.

A more pragmatic manager would have binned this fantasy football a year ago.

Another embarrassing gubbing and, more worryingly, he doesn’t seem willing to learn his lesson. Expect more record breaking thrashing’s to come.

I'm sure Tommy Wright will soon have yous playing the more pragmatic football you crave
:ffs:
No wonder that patter is pish.

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idyllwild
23 Nov 2017, 09:53 AM
Mubo Loravcik
23 Nov 2017, 09:30 AM
subtle_anxiety
23 Nov 2017, 02:18 AM
Yup Brendan out !!!

:ffs: :ffs:
Any slight critique = KDS WANTS BRENDAN SACKED BY RA WAY!
Any bad result = imagined references to Sevco and fake goals. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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lepetitmerde
23 Nov 2017, 09:41 AM

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:ffs:
No wonder that patter is pish.

Calling people Huns when they've been here 10 years longer than you and quite obviously aren't?

Aye, that is pish patter.
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Brendan Rodgers: PSG pounding wasn't as bad as Barcelona beating for Celtic
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BRENDAN Rodgers insisted that last night’s 7-1 humbling at the hands of Paris St Germain in the Parc des Princes was nowhere near as demoralising as the 7-0 defeat to Barcelona last September – and the setback would only make his players more determined than ever to beat Motherwell at Hampden Park on Sunday to retain the Betfred Cup.

Everything seemed so positive for the Parkhead side when Moussa Dembele steered in an opener within just 59 seconds which was the first goal Alphonse Areola had conceded during the entire Champions League campaign, but the Qatari-backed Parisians rammed home their credentials to win this competition for the first time with seven goals without reply, two each from Neymar and Edinson Cavani, and one from Kylian Mbappe, Marco Verrati and Dani Alves.


While the Parkhead side’s hopes of playing Europa League football after Christmas, as expected, will boil down to the meeting with Anderlecht in the final matchday, another blow for Celtic ahead of Sunday’s first showpiece of the domestic season was the departure of Mikael Lustig with injury early on. Barring an outlandish 4-0 reverse against Bayern Munich, PSG will top Group B, and have now set an all-time Champions League record with 24 goals in the group stages - no fewer than half of which have come against Celtic.

“I am certainly nowhere near as disappointed as I was funnily enough against Barcelona last season,” said the Celtic manager. “We conceded seven goals over there when I first came in and I was very, very disappointed after that, but in a strange way I thought there were a lot of good moments in this game.


"We scored, started with good intent, got the goal, and you could see the belief in how we were playing and defending," he added. "But we gave the ball away in midfield and that gives them the opportunity to get the goal. The spell after the first goal is probably the bit we are most disappointed with."


As harsh as it was, Rodgers was determined to keep learning the lessons, but said Celtic's players did have the technical level to line up in this manner against these teams. “Of course there are lessons for us," he said. "Can we keep the ball a bit better? In the second half we have it away loosely and I know we can defend better. If you look at it, four of the goals at least were either down to us either giving the ball away, or not defending the second phase of a set piece well enough.

"Sometimes with the ball we gave it away too cheaply, but there were lots of other spells where we showed our confidence," Rodgers added. "And you also have to admire the sheer quality of PSG, you can’t not admire that. I think they only had 11 shots, but seven of them went in, with big quality. I would be very surprised if they don’t at least reach the Champions League final.


"If you think of the first goal, you lose possession of the ball. In lots of the games you will get away with it, give it away against this team and they will punish you. Celtic players have a good technical level but against a superior team like PSG their technique is at a slightly higher level and when you’re chasing the ball you tire a bit in the game. What you are watching here in Paris is the world’s best.


"We will see how Mikael is over the next couple of days. But structurally it affects us, taking off a player who is a very important player for us.

“Of course with professional pride, losing seven goals, you are not so happy. People who didn’t watch the game and score, they think 7-1. But there were enough positive moments in it. Sunday, like it always was, is going to be a very important game. But I told the players afterwards that they gave absolutely everything. And we will be absolutely fine for Sunday, we are disappointed of course, but even more determined now to win on Sunday.”



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23 Nov 2017, 12:36 AM
Once again we tried to go toe to toe.
How so?

That formation was far from trying to go toe 2 toe.
McGregor and Rogic are renowned, of course, for their defensive work.
So you would of put who in the side instead?

What is he supposed to do, fill the side with defenders?

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Do you think our players would take more confidence from gaining a point from being harder to beat, than they do after a hiding but managing a few nice passages of play?


You can play with 12 against 11 and we are still not gaining a point bar a miracle. This myth of having more and more players forever behind the ball means we will get a result really needs to stop.

Its like saying every side domestically can come to Celtic Park play 5-4-1 and gain a point. We all know football does not work like that.

Edited by puroresu_boy, 23 Nov 2017, 10:48 AM.
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23 Nov 2017, 09:22 AM

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McGregor and Rogic are renowned, of course, for their defensive work.
So you would of put who in the side instead?

What is he supposed to do, fill the side with defenders?

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Do you think our players would take more confidence from gaining a point from being harder to beat, than they do after a hiding but managing a few nice passages of play?


You can play with 12 against 11 and we are still not gaining a point bar a miracle. This myth of having more and more players forever behind the ball means we will get a result really needs to stop.

Its like saying every side domestically can come to Celtic Park play 5-4-1 and gain a point. We all know football does not work like that.

So 7-1 is fine cos they are really good and you can’t fill a team full of defenders?
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Plan B .

Do Plan A better.


now, where have I heard that before? :ph43r:
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puroresu_boy
23 Nov 2017, 09:22 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
McGregor and Rogic are renowned, of course, for their defensive work.
So you would of put who in the side instead?

What is he supposed to do, fill the side with defenders?

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Do you think our players would take more confidence from gaining a point from being harder to beat, than they do after a hiding but managing a few nice passages of play?


You can play with 12 against 11 and we are still not gaining a point bar a miracle. This myth of having more and more players forever behind the ball means we will get a result really needs to stop.

Its like saying every side domestically can come to Celtic Park play 5-4-1 and gain a point. We all know football does not work like that.

They dont and wont but if you look at quite a few of our homes game using your analogy quite a few times recently we have struggled to break teams down and they have either gotten a point or got away with 1,2-0....then could we not surely do similar against so called bigger sides not get doings like we got/get.

:ponder:

My own point is he needs to change set up, system and some times his choice of player in games like last night..far superior teams with players etc. & not play the presuure type game his mantra follows.

We can compare it to other teams in Europe who are on our level & can get results or not get a pasting so why can we do it?

Anyway Im leaving it at that. Sunday cannae come quick enough. :lol:

Gaffer will do the treble and get us to last 4/8 Europa. Jobs a goodin this season..again! :thumbsup:
Edited by littlegmbhoy, 23 Nov 2017, 11:25 AM.
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23 Nov 2017, 10:45 AM
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puroresu_boy
23 Nov 2017, 09:22 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
McGregor and Rogic are renowned, of course, for their defensive work.
So you would of put who in the side instead?

What is he supposed to do, fill the side with defenders?

Quote:
 
Do you think our players would take more confidence from gaining a point from being harder to beat, than they do after a hiding but managing a few nice passages of play?


You can play with 12 against 11 and we are still not gaining a point bar a miracle. This myth of having more and more players forever behind the ball means we will get a result really needs to stop.

Its like saying every side domestically can come to Celtic Park play 5-4-1 and gain a point. We all know football does not work like that.

Hate to break it to you but 50% of the SPFL teams who've come to Celtic Park this season have taken a point. :lol:

And Ross County were a fraction away from doing it at the weekend albeit away.
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So you would of put who in the side instead?

What is he supposed to do, fill the side with defenders?

Quote:
 
Do you think our players would take more confidence from gaining a point from being harder to beat, than they do after a hiding but managing a few nice passages of play?


You can play with 12 against 11 and we are still not gaining a point bar a miracle. This myth of having more and more players forever behind the ball means we will get a result really needs to stop.

Its like saying every side domestically can come to Celtic Park play 5-4-1 and gain a point. We all know football does not work like that.

So 7-1 is fine cos they are really good and you can’t fill a team full of defenders?
Who said its fine?

My argument is I don't think we tried to match them blow for blow last night. On another day we may of lost 4-0 but I wouldn't be celebrating that.

Ultimately its about players doing the correct things regardless of formation. We don't have a good enough keeper or good enough Centre Backs when playing the elite but our being in Scotland means its difficult to get those players.
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No wonder that patter is pish.

Is it though?

Rodgers is adamant that he won't change his philosophy for any reason = no Plan B. It most certainly was another embarrassing gubbing, and he hasn't adapted after the previous two embarrassing gubbings. It's absolutely logical to expect yet more embarrassing gubbings at this level, as he won't adapt.

Laud his accomplishments domestically, by all means, but accept that Rodgers has deficiencies at CL-level; he's not above criticism, and the idea that results like last night's are solely derived from a poor quality of Celtic player or insane quality of opposition is effing mental.
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23 Nov 2017, 10:08 AM
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No wonder that patter is pish.

Calling people Huns when they've been here 10 years longer than you and quite obviously aren't?

Aye, that is pish patter.
Fair enough- point taken. But that level of nonsense should be called out for what it is

When things do good bad for Rodgers it appears people are ready for it already.
Edited by lepetitmerde, 23 Nov 2017, 11:31 AM.
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It's not like he went all out attack, 3 CBs, 2 wing backs and two defensive midfielders. Maybe should have hooked Rogic for Armstrong but I can see why he played him in the first place, in other games we've seen him get onto the ball and keep hold of it higher up the pitch.

The defensive situation this year has been a nightmare and I don't think BR can be blamed for that. Even in last night's game alone one of our most experienced players has to go off early and we're back to playing a midfielder at centre back against Neymar.
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I really don't get this 'we'd get beaten anyway, so what' narrative.

Rodgers gave Nosferatu on RS a few weeks ago a good few minutes explaining how he wants to play these games and it all made perfect sense, if you have the players to do it.

The thing I don't understand is why position a back 4 up the park when you are playing a front three who are all quick enough and they have runners from midfield. Its like going into a ring and tying a hand behind your back.

He does have a point about the comparison to Barcelona, a times we created chances and openings but my God we need to stop being so passive and static at defending.


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