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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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cfc88
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22 Nov 2017, 11:45 PM
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That's the deal you get with the manager, rightly or wrongly. The only thing that will improve this type of result is better players. The manager isn't going to change an approach that works for him in every single game in which we can expect to compete. I think it would be to our detriment to play a completely different and negative game with the objective of a slightly smaller humping. The players wouldn't trust his absolute belief in his approach if he threw it under the bus against scary big teams. They might go into the Anderlecht game questioning which approach we should have. As I said, this is what comes with BR as manager. Take it or leave it.
Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4. Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd? This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps. Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side. All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it. We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real. I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can. Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters. "They only need to win by 3 now instead of 4".
This is a team we pumped 3-0 at their bit. They're not gonna overturn that.
Also, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
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arklys
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22 Nov 2017, 11:46 PM
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Brendan either needs to change his “philosophy” against the big teams or buy players who are capable of delivering it.
We have shipped 7 in Europe twice under him. A truly terrible statistic.
Naw. You have to "take it or leave it".
Exactly sit in and get pumped anyway or let your players go out try and express themselves and develop. Develop from a team who lost 7 in its first CL game to one that shipped 7 in its <whatever tonight's one was>?
Given that we're seemingly resigned to losing the players who've most successfully developed throughout that time, it's not hard to see where the argument for being more 'pragmatic' - cliché as that is - comes from.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:46 PM
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That's the deal you get with the manager, rightly or wrongly. The only thing that will improve this type of result is better players. The manager isn't going to change an approach that works for him in every single game in which we can expect to compete. I think it would be to our detriment to play a completely different and negative game with the objective of a slightly smaller humping. The players wouldn't trust his absolute belief in his approach if he threw it under the bus against scary big teams. They might go into the Anderlecht game questioning which approach we should have. As I said, this is what comes with BR as manager. Take it or leave it.
Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4. Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd? This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps. Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side. All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it. We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real. I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can. Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters. The big picture is that we go into the last game having been to avoid a 0-3 defeat at home to Anderlecht.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think we get to pick and choose under Rodgers. This is his approach and it's all geared toward da 3rd place. He wasn't going to change that approach 5 games in.
I'm not blindly defending the manager here, nothing like it. I just think it's patently obvious what he believes to be the best thing for this squad, and he believes that the end results bear that out. Hence take it or leave his approach, because he ain't gonna change it.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:48 PM
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I'm not blindly defending the manager here, nothing like it. I just think it's patently obvious what he believes to be the best thing for this squad, and he believes that the end results bear that out. Hence take it or leave his approach, because he ain't gonna change it. Doesn't mean we can't come on here and have a moan about it though.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:50 PM
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Exactly sit in and get pumped anyway or let your players go out try and express themselves and develop.
Develop from a team who lost 7 in its first CL game to one that shipped 7 in its <whatever tonight's one was>? Given that we're seemingly resigned to losing the players who've most successfully developed throughout that time, it's not hard to see where the argument for being more 'pragmatic' - cliché as that is - comes from. I understand no one likes to get beaten 7-1 but we could have sat in and defended whose not to say we wouldn't have suffered even more pain it's a game of give and take m8 you give them the ball they will take the opportunities stop losing the ball in silly areas of the park and hey presto we stop conceding but tbf they scored some beauties tonight you just have to admit sometimes the better team smelled our arse.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:53 PM
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I'm not blindly defending the manager here, nothing like it. I just think it's patently obvious what he believes to be the best thing for this squad, and he believes that the end results bear that out. Hence take it or leave his approach, because he ain't gonna change it.
Doesn't mean we can't come on here and have a moan about it though. Absolutely not.
The one thing that he realistically must address is what moravcik67 highlighted, how many goals we lose in batches. The manager and the captain need to make sure everyone is focused no matter if they've just conceded, that's a huge failing we have.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:56 PM
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Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4. Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd? This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps. Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side. All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it. We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real. I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can. Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters.
"They only need to win by 3 now instead of 4". This is a team we pumped 3-0 at their bit. They're not gonna overturn that. Also, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring? Not saying they were, but it’s still naive leaving the possibility. Another way to look at it would be a point would have sealed third. Only way to do that would be make ourselves difficult to beat. Our defensive line in the 2nd half was abysmal and left massive holes in behind for the likes of rat boy to run into.
I thought that initially until someone on the post match thread said otherwise
I’m not having a go at the manager or the team, but for people to suggest this is the route to progress - I don’t buy it.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:57 PM
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For 8 beautiful minutes we were top of the world . I for one am not going to get worked up about losing to a financially doped team who are younger than a lot of our fans. A different formation and couple of new defenders here and there won't change much at this level ( and we are probably talking about the best of the best). Bring on the Anderlecht
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22 Nov 2017, 11:59 PM
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Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4. Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd? This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps. Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side. All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it. We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real. I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can. Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters.
"They only need to win by 3 now instead of 4". This is a team we pumped 3-0 at their bit. They're not gonna overturn that. Also, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring? If they beat us by three that means:
Our goal difference gets three goals worse, and
Theirs improves by three goals
resulting in a six-goal swing
(I hope, or I'm making a massive carrot of myself. Which would at least be something to laugh at)
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23 Nov 2017, 12:03 AM
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It's OK to be a Cavalier at times but sometimes you have to be a pragmatic Roundhead. We all like the thought of sitting in the South of France sipping cocktails by the pool but we also know we have to get up on a cold, wet, winter, Monday morning and go to work. These hidings are not doing Brendan, the players and fans much good and while yes PSG are so far ahead on middle eastern oil baron money we should find a way to try and stymie and frustrate their play even if it's ugly.
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23 Nov 2017, 12:03 AM
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"They only need to win by 3 now instead of 4". This is a team we pumped 3-0 at their bit. They're not gonna overturn that. Also, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
If they beat us by three that means: Our goal difference gets three goals worse, and Theirs improves by three goals resulting in a six-goal swing (I hope, or I'm making a massive carrot of myself. Which would at least be something to laugh at) Spot on.
Any Anderlecht win by a 3 goal margin would see them get 3rd.
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23 Nov 2017, 12:04 AM
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It's head-to-head. Our goal difference vs them is all that counts. They need to beat us by 3, with away goals, minimum. Re Anderlecht that is
edit, maybe not
Edited by arklys, 23 Nov 2017, 12:07 AM.
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23 Nov 2017, 12:05 AM
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People remember when we played anderlecht and turned in ( after a slow start )a decent performance ?
Tonight doesn’t change that or how we felt we might manage to play them at home
We are neither as consistently great as our best performance nor a bad a nights like tonight
I’m looking forward to a great night under the lights for this game
If we make an arse of that? I’ll be. Proper angry - not like tonight’s disappointment
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23 Nov 2017, 12:06 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepAlso, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
If they beat us by three that means: Our goal difference gets three goals worse, and Theirs improves by three goals resulting in a six-goal swing (I hope, or I'm making a massive carrot of myself. Which would at least be something to laugh at)
Spot on. Any Anderlecht win by a 3 goal margin would see them get 3rd. Thanks, sometimes I'm not quite the idiot I've pegged myself as
( I suppose. I'll take any win tonight.)
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Disappointed by how ineffectual the changes were. I know we were on a hiding to nothing but Kouassi looked lost when he came in - not blaming him just what it signals about the team.
We actually looked okay going forward. Arse just fell out of us defensively as usual.
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23 Nov 2017, 12:21 AM
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Gutted ,we are getting slapped about like the minnows we played back in Late 60s early 70s .
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepAlso, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
If they beat us by three that means: Our goal difference gets three goals worse, and Theirs improves by three goals resulting in a six-goal swing (I hope, or I'm making a massive carrot of myself. Which would at least be something to laugh at)
Spot on. Any Anderlecht win by a 3 goal margin would see them get 3rd. If we lose three nil 4 1 etc we deserve to get papped out.
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23 Nov 2017, 12:30 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepAlso, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
Spot on. Any Anderlecht win by a 3 goal margin would see them get 3rd.
If we lose three nil 4 1 etc we deserve to get papped out. Indeed.
Thankfully I foresee a much improved performance and I think at the absolute worst we'll lose by a 1 goal margin.
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Once again we tried to go toe to toe.
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"They only need to win by 3 now instead of 4". This is a team we pumped 3-0 at their bit. They're not gonna overturn that. Also, our goal difference is 4 better than theirs. Surely that means they would need to stick 4 past us without us scoring?
Not saying they were, but it’s still naive leaving the possibility. Another way to look at it would be a point would have sealed third. Only way to do that would be make ourselves difficult to beat. Our defensive line in the 2nd half was abysmal and left massive holes in behind for the likes of rat boy to run into. I thought that initially until someone on the post match thread said otherwise I’m not having a go at the manager or the team, but for people to suggest this is the route to progress - I don’t buy it. Try and keep the score down in Paris lads so we can go through even if we get gubbed 3-0 at home by a shampooe Anderlecht side is a hideous message to send
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