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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,910 Views)
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idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:26 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
Brendan either needs to change his “philosophy” against the big teams or buy players who are capable of delivering it.

We have shipped 7 in Europe twice under him. A truly terrible statistic.
Aye, he'll need to buy better players because he ain't going to change his approach.
He needs to get the players he wants or something approaching that

Not effin South African projects

You all know who effed up in summer

He has the squad he has - he got us to cl

He has delivered 3 very good away results over 2 cl league campaigns

He will deliver EL post Christmas

If he gets players it'll get better v the top sides

You have to look at the big picture
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22 Nov 2017, 11:28 PM
It takes more than 12 or 13 months to change a whole nations perspective on playing in Europe. I for one can't be arsed watching us with 11 behind the ball for 90mins. Sure 1 out of 10 we might sneak a draw or win but for the majority we are getting beaten anyway. The only way to learn is to play your game in the hardest of circumstances. Fans have no patience.
Once or twice a year, I could be arsed watching us pull a Republic of Ireland in Copenhagen, if it meant not getting an absolute guaranteed doing.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, etc. Could we not just try something different? Not really thinking rationally after that but I am sick and tired of that kind of result happening because BR refuses to budge one iota from his philosophy; sometimes you need to suck it up and work with what you have in order to achieve a more positive result that last time, not just stubbornly give it "my way or no way".

You don't seriously believe that was in any way a positive experience for the team? How can they learn anything from that?
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22 Nov 2017, 11:17 PM
idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
Naive nonsense
Which part do you disagree with?
What Remy said.

BR has been great for us. Just like MON was. But neither are infallible.
You've posted many times in the past about how great Jose is. Total pragmatist.
We need some of that pragmatism.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:34 PM
subtle_anxiety
22 Nov 2017, 11:28 PM
It takes more than 12 or 13 months to change a whole nations perspective on playing in Europe. I for one can't be arsed watching us with 11 behind the ball for 90mins. Sure 1 out of 10 we might sneak a draw or win but for the majority we are getting beaten anyway. The only way to learn is to play your game in the hardest of circumstances. Fans have no patience.
Once or twice a year, I could be arsed watching us pull a Republic of Ireland in Copenhagen, if it meant not getting an absolute guaranteed doing.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, etc. Could we not just try something different? Not really thinking rationally after that but I am sick and tired of that kind of result happening because BR refuses to budge one iota from his philosophy; sometimes you need to suck it up and do what you can to improve things.

You don't seriously believe that was in any way a positive experience for the team? How can they learn anything from that?
They were miles better going fwd than Barca Bayern away or Psg at home
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Our aim this season needed to be to do well enough to get into pot 3 next year. Beat anderlecht and get through a EL round and we're on course. With 3 more points in the bag than last year. The draw is set up now with the league winners all in pot 1, meaning you get a big fish... you're probably f'ed. Pot 3 gives us an avenue to regular EL football after Christmas at least. Thats progress.

That's not an excuse for tonight but people saying we haven't improved in Europe have serious Ronny Deila amnesia.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:28 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:05 PM
Bizarre interview and demeanour from him. ‘Proud of the players’ FFS...
Bizarre?

Thought it was as honest account as the day is long.

Got a bit narked by the question at the end of the interview and fair play to him for remaining composed with his answer.
He has got to say the proud stuff...cup to win at weekend.

He will pick them up because he is a black belt at doing so from what we have seen previously.

Edited by littlegmbhoy, 22 Nov 2017, 11:43 PM.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
That would be a great saying only if other managers hadn't actually beaten other teams in the Cl that were supposed to beat us, you know Juve, Barca, Milan et al.... who were supposed to pump us but lost, as much as I love BR he has hardly improved us on the CL stage.
You seem to have missed the all important word in idyllwild's post. He said BR rarely presides over a surprise result not that he never does. Have people forgotten that we took the lead v Bayern at CP and almost got a point? Pulling off a shock win the odd time by putting in a backs to the wall performance isn't something he wants for us. He wants us to play the way we are used to playing because, against teams like Anderlecht - and we very nearly got got a result against Bayern with the same tactics - it gives us more chances to score goals.

The games you referred to had some world class players but we weren't up against them all in the one night, it is quite different now. I can't see who is going to stop PSG this year. Barca maybe? I'll be very shocked if they are not in the final. We played some good stuff tonight, not just the goal, we got a few chances after that and that didn't often happen to us in Europe. Usually, it was one goal and then hang on for dear life and hope the opposition don't score.

We haven't had as any "shock" or "surprise" results against the top teams but I was extremely proud of how we played v Anderlecht, v Bayern at CP and for the 20 minutes or so at the start of tonight. It depends really how you measure improvement though.

HAIL HAIL
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I’d be interested to see what happens if we’re in the EL and 2–1 up from the first leg going into an away second leg. How would he approach it.
Edited by TheBeerMonkey, 22 Nov 2017, 11:40 PM.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:20 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:09 PM

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Compete is one thing to get pumped 17-2 on aggregate is another!
That's the deal you get with the manager, rightly or wrongly.

The only thing that will improve this type of result is better players. The manager isn't going to change an approach that works for him in every single game in which we can expect to compete. I think it would be to our detriment to play a completely different and negative game with the objective of a slightly smaller humping.

The players wouldn't trust his absolute belief in his approach if he threw it under the bus against scary big teams. They might go into the Anderlecht game questioning which approach we should have.

As I said, this is what comes with BR as manager. Take it or leave it.
Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4.

Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd?

This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps.

Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side.

All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it.

We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real.

I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can.

Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters.
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So the bhoys in the pub were saying that we need a couple quality signings to progress to the next level but was pointed out Rodgers record in the market has been mixed so far.

Yes dembele and sinclair maybe Toure as well could be deemed a success. But then you have DDV, Gamboa, Hayes, Kouassi, Edouard and maybe depending on who you speak to Ntcham all either not impressed or still to make an impact

I personally think we have a decent squad especially for domestic football but would like an upgrade on CB, RB and GK to compete in Europe. Not an easy task, need our scouts to start finding some gems again
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Which part do you disagree with?
What Remy said.

BR has been great for us. Just like MON was. But neither are infallible.
You've posted many times in the past about how great Jose is. Total pragmatist.
We need some of that pragmatism.
I agree with what Remy said, those are the two things that would help us against PSG etc. However, only one of those options is a realistic possibility. Rodgers isn't going to change his philosophy against the big teams, because he thinks it'll adversely affect everything else. The evidence probably supports him on that.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:39 PM
I’d be interested to see what happens if we’re in the EL and 2–1 up from the first leg going into an away second leg. How would he approach it.
He'd go for the jugular
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So the bhoys in the pub were saying that we need a couple quality signings to progress to the next level but was pointed out Rodgers record in the market has been mixed so far.

Yes dembele and sinclair maybe Toure as well could be deemed a success. But then you have DDV, Gamboa, Hayes, Kouassi, Edouard and maybe depending on who you speak to Ntcham all either not impressed or still to make an impact

I personally think we have a decent squad especially for domestic football but would like an upgrade on CB, RB and GK to compete in Europe. Not an easy task, need our scouts to start finding some gems again
This is the problem.

We need better defenders but we can’t go and sign proven quality.

It’s easy to say sign defenders but who can we get? Finding gems like VVD isn’t easy.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:39 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:20 PM
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That's the deal you get with the manager, rightly or wrongly.

The only thing that will improve this type of result is better players. The manager isn't going to change an approach that works for him in every single game in which we can expect to compete. I think it would be to our detriment to play a completely different and negative game with the objective of a slightly smaller humping.

The players wouldn't trust his absolute belief in his approach if he threw it under the bus against scary big teams. They might go into the Anderlecht game questioning which approach we should have.

As I said, this is what comes with BR as manager. Take it or leave it.
Well we’re now worse off going into the Anderlecht game. They only need to win by 3 instead of 4.

Would it not be worthwhile biting the bullet to give us the best possible chance of finishing 3rd?

This take it or leave it talk is absolute nonsense. Nobody needs reminding we’ve got a long and proud history and that shouldn’t be tarnished by being naive away to teams we cannot compete with. Points make prizes as this level, no matter how you get them. They improve the coefficient which helps.

Record European defeat last season. 3 absolute batterings this season. We’re not learning against these teams. He went 5 at the back v Bayern and it’s the best we’ve played at this level. We controlled plenty of the ball and looked a right good side.

All this “Id rather get pumped trying to play than lose 2-0” is utter garbage. Good teams get more frustrated the longer we stay in the game. We’ve managed it. Scotland have managed it. Greece won the effing Euros doing it.

We’ve got the players who can hurt teams on the counter. I’m all for trying to play against teams like Anderlecht but when we go to places like Munich, Barcelona or Paris, he needs to get real.

I’m not even on to have a go at the team or manager. There were a lot of positives tonight despite the drubbing, but these sort of results can’t continue and I don’t subscribe to Flawless’s “these players can’t defend nd” excuse either. The manager gets paid a helluva lot of money, it’s his responsibility to drill them, until they can.

Thankfully, that Anderlecht performance has cushisoned the blow on what otherwise would have been the most depressing CL experience we’ve ever had. I appreciate the gap is getting bigger but that’s an even bigger reason to adapt accordingly when it matters.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:39 PM
Pulling off a shock win the odd time by putting in a backs to the wall performance isn't something he wants for us. He wants us to play the way we are used to playing because, against teams like Anderlecht - and we very nearly got got a result against Bayern with the same tactics - it gives us more chances to score goals.
Then play that way against Anderlecht, practise that football in those games. I get what you are saying but I don't see how we 'learn' anything from a game where we are pumped so badly that can help us against teams closer to our level, in the sense of improving our desired style of play.

You need to be able to adapt to the team you are facing; it's absolute folly to try and play the same style of football against PSG as Anderlecht.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
That would be a great saying only if other managers hadn't actually beaten other teams in the Cl that were supposed to beat us, you know Juve, Barca, Milan et al.... who were supposed to pump us but lost, as much as I love BR he has hardly improved us on the CL stage.
You seem to have missed the all important word in idyllwild's post. He said BR rarely presides over a surprise result not that he never does. Have people forgotten that we took the lead v Bayern at CP and almost got a point? Pulling off a shock win the odd time by putting in a backs to the wall performance isn't something he wants for us. He wants us to play the way we are used to playing because, against teams like Anderlecht - and we very nearly got got a result against Bayern with the same tactics - it gives us more chances to score goals.

The games you referred to had some world class players but we weren't up against them all in the one night, it is quite different now. I can't see who is going to stop PSG this year. Barca maybe? I'll be very shocked if they are not in the final. We played some good stuff tonight, not just the goal, we got a few chances after that and that didn't often happen to us in Europe. Usually, it was one goal and then hang on for dear life and hope the opposition don't score.

We haven't had as any "shock" or "surprise" results against the top teams but I was extremely proud of how we played v Anderlecht, v Bayern at CP and for the 20 minutes or so at the start of tonight. It depends really how you measure improvement though.

HAIL HAIL
We didn't take the lead against Bayern.
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Exactly sit in and get pumped anyway or let your players go out try and express themselves and develop.
How can they express themselves when they don't have the ball?

And losing 3 or 4-0 is to be expected; 5 and 7 is a riddy, just like 7 was last year, too.
Just like a dirty bird you don't gain experience without getting pumped a few times.
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Double post.
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Did anyone actually believe we would beat PSG or Bayern?
I didn't. I expected PSG & Bayern to win all their games against us and Anderlecht and that is what happened.
Our CL is about Anderlecht and always was.
Naïve by BR? Possibly, but I'd much rather we went out and attacked / had a go and hoped that the players would learn from the experience.
The goals we lost were poor, Brown giving away the first was criminal - we'd just taken the lead, we needed to manage the game 10 / 15 minutes and settle ourselves down. I love Scott, but him giving the ball away put us on the back foot right away - I still imagined we'd have been pumped, but the longer we had held on to the lead, the more the team would have settled down.
The defence, barring Gordon, were all over the place, Tierney included (maybe we'll need to re-evaluate his worth) and lost stupid goals. The last 10 minutes we were dead on our feet after having chased shadows all night and lost 3 goals - I would have accepted 4 before the game.
Once again we get the clamour to buy better players - we can't afford the players that would make the difference and even if we could, they wouldn't come here anyway. We are what we are - a team that buys young players and develops them - this means results like tonight will happen until the young players mature / improve.
BR has already stated he will not change his style - I'm happy with that, I'd rather we lost having a go than lost with 10 men behind the ball (I can't believe anyone would want a return to Strachan's tactics, just so we don't get beaten as badly).
Overcoming Anderlecht is what this campaign was all about and getting into the Europa League. If we manage that, BR has achieved what we were looking for. Let's just hope we get through and get a decent draw - I'm not expecting to win the EL, but think we can compete better at that level.
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