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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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22 Nov 2017, 11:07 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 11:07 PM
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Our players are just a million miles off competing at this level, yes he could have had 11 men behind the ball and we may have lost 2 or3 nil, but never crossed the half way line. It’s a lose/lose situation. Need a new defence apart from Tierney
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22 Nov 2017, 11:08 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it. This should be a sticky.
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idyllwild
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22 Nov 2017, 11:09 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 10:51 PM
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If we had played ultra-defensively in our other CL games and not tried to pass it or retain possession, then I don't think we'd have beaten Anderlecht 3-0. The humpings are effectively practice for playing that style against our actual CL competition. Presume that's how Rodgers sees it anyway.
I thought all the teams in our our group were "actual CL competition"...so getting pumped 17-2 by PSG and BM set us up to win 0-3 against Anderelcht  Aye because we've never ever beaten bigger teams than Anderlecht in the CL or loss by less than the other two teams. BR does not how to play in europe against the big teams it has been the only chink in his armour since he has been with us, if there were signs that our players had learned from previous humpings I'd go with his preachings but considering our record humping from last year just got bigger I'd guess not! Our actual CL competition, which I specifically said, is Anderlecht. You'd need to be deluded to expect us to compete with anyone else in that section.
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joebhoy95
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22 Nov 2017, 11:09 PM
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- puroresu_boy
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:02 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 10:59 PM
Can Brendan look himself in the mirror having taken 3 absolute shaggings in the CL group stage and say he's satisfied? Would he honestly we got beaten 7-1 rather than change the tactics and lose 3-0? He says so but they're not the same thing! They just aren't. One is defeat the other is embarrassment.
I take the financial gulf. Of course. It's bigger than it's ever been and it's only growing. But these repeated routs are embarrassing, there's no way around it. PSG are winning every week against teams of a similar standard of us, but not always by 5 and 6. Teams find a way to keep it respectable.
Yes, there are a very many teams in Europe (the Anderlechts of this world) who we should go toe to toe with, because we have the resources to do so. And we've done it well.
We do not have the resources to to the same against PSG etc. away from home. It's pure folly to think so.
Brendan has won 2/17 group stages matches as a manager. He's been utterly magnificent in almost every respect, but this behaviour is naive. He needs to take stock and admit what he's done wrong. It's not much, but no one is perfect and he and we need to improve against the real elite. Because let's face it, we've done it plenty of times before with arguably inferior playing staff.
Where does this change the tactics and lose 3-0 come from? Is it really that simple that by simply having every player behind the ball for 90 mins guarantees a no worse than 3-0 defeat? Perhaps not. But I refuse to believe there's no way with that group of players we can't avoid these absolute humiliations.
Teams who you'd think are our level have taken points off the giants this season. Olympiakos for example. Basel tonight. Feyenoord (almost) last night.
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Hellas67
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it. That would be a great saying only if other managers hadn't actually beaten other teams in the Cl that were supposed to beat us, you know Juve, Barca, Milan et al.... who were supposed to pump us but lost, as much as I love BR he has hardly improved us on the CL stage.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it.
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The Green Lantern
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
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- puroresu_boy
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:02 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 10:59 PM
Can Brendan look himself in the mirror having taken 3 absolute shaggings in the CL group stage and say he's satisfied? Would he honestly we got beaten 7-1 rather than change the tactics and lose 3-0? He says so but they're not the same thing! They just aren't. One is defeat the other is embarrassment.
I take the financial gulf. Of course. It's bigger than it's ever been and it's only growing. But these repeated routs are embarrassing, there's no way around it. PSG are winning every week against teams of a similar standard of us, but not always by 5 and 6. Teams find a way to keep it respectable.
Yes, there are a very many teams in Europe (the Anderlechts of this world) who we should go toe to toe with, because we have the resources to do so. And we've done it well.
We do not have the resources to to the same against PSG etc. away from home. It's pure folly to think so.
Brendan has won 2/17 group stages matches as a manager. He's been utterly magnificent in almost every respect, but this behaviour is naive. He needs to take stock and admit what he's done wrong. It's not much, but no one is perfect and he and we need to improve against the real elite. Because let's face it, we've done it plenty of times before with arguably inferior playing staff.
Where does this change the tactics and lose 3-0 come from? Is it really that simple that by simply having every player behind the ball for 90 mins guarantees a no worse than 3-0 defeat? It doesn't guarantee anything but it makes it more likely that we'd avoid such an embarrassing defeat.
BR has worked wonders on this team but elite level managers know when and how to change their system to maximise the chance of getting a result. It's reasonable to expect that BR can do that too.
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Hellas67
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22 Nov 2017, 11:10 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:09 PM
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I thought all the teams in our our group were "actual CL competition"...so getting pumped 17-2 by PSG and BM set us up to win 0-3 against Anderelcht  Aye because we've never ever beaten bigger teams than Anderlecht in the CL or loss by less than the other two teams. BR does not how to play in europe against the big teams it has been the only chink in his armour since he has been with us, if there were signs that our players had learned from previous humpings I'd go with his preachings but considering our record humping from last year just got bigger I'd guess not!
Our actual CL competition, which I specifically said, is Anderlecht. You'd need to be deluded to expect us to compete with anyone else in that section. Compete is one thing to get pumped 17-2 on aggregate is another!
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22 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM
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Some amount of tactical geniuses on here.
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The Green Lantern
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22 Nov 2017, 11:13 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:09 PM
- Hellas67
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- idyllwild
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I thought all the teams in our our group were "actual CL competition"...so getting pumped 17-2 by PSG and BM set us up to win 0-3 against Anderelcht  Aye because we've never ever beaten bigger teams than Anderlecht in the CL or loss by less than the other two teams. BR does not how to play in europe against the big teams it has been the only chink in his armour since he has been with us, if there were signs that our players had learned from previous humpings I'd go with his preachings but considering our record humping from last year just got bigger I'd guess not!
Our actual CL competition, which I specifically said, is Anderlecht. You'd need to be deluded to expect us to compete with anyone else in that section. It might be a delusion to think we'd beat PSG or Bayern but being able to compete with them isn't delusional. We competed with Bayern in the previous CL game.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:13 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it.
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joebhoy95
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22 Nov 2017, 11:14 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM
Some amount of tactical geniuses on here. Not me - can criticise the manager after bad results though. It's the way of the game.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:14 PM
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Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it.
That would be a great saying only if other managers hadn't actually beaten other teams in the Cl that were supposed to beat us, you know Juve, Barca, Milan et al.... who were supposed to pump us but lost, as much as I love BR he has hardly improved us on the CL stage. Mixed bag...Anderlecht performance was our best in years in european competition i came away that night literally saying wow...
He can change his philosophy against superior teams as he has the nouse and football intelligence to do so..thats clear its whether he is willing to.
I don’t like criticising him for obvious reasons but we will get pumped in last 4/8/16 of europa league if we continue in such vain as we have tonight and in 2 other games in this group...we cannot go toe to toe he knows this and slightly baffles me as to why we do it when we will get doings like tonight
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22 Nov 2017, 11:15 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM
Some amount of tactical geniuses on here. No really just dont like seeing us shipping 17/18 goals in three games when we are better than that IMO.
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Lobey Dosser
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22 Nov 2017, 11:15 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM
Some amount of tactical geniuses on here. Self praise is no recommendation.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:17 PM
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- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it. Naive nonsense
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TheBeerMonkey
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22 Nov 2017, 11:20 PM
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Some amount of tactical geniuses on here.
No really just dont like seeing us shipping 17/18 goals in three games when we are better than that IMO. The assumption seems to be somehow he sets us up to park the bus and we wouldn’t get pumped?
He’s trying to get us to play the way we are always going to play. I would have an issue if we were losing 20 goals in a group with Benfica and Red Bull.
We got drawn in a shampooe group with huge spenders and some of the best players on the world. We might finish with six points. That’s progress.
We were pot four and we may well horse Anderlecht Home and away.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:20 PM
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Our actual CL competition, which I specifically said, is Anderlecht. You'd need to be deluded to expect us to compete with anyone else in that section.
Compete is one thing to get pumped 17-2 on aggregate is another! That's the deal you get with the manager, rightly or wrongly.
The only thing that will improve this type of result is better players. The manager isn't going to change an approach that works for him in every single game in which we can expect to compete. I think it would be to our detriment to play a completely different and negative game with the objective of a slightly smaller humping.
The players wouldn't trust his absolute belief in his approach if he threw it under the bus against scary big teams. They might go into the Anderlecht game questioning which approach we should have.
As I said, this is what comes with BR as manager. Take it or leave it.
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idyllwild
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22 Nov 2017, 11:21 PM
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- 22 Nov 2017, 11:17 PM
- idyllwild
- 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.
Take it or leave it.
Naive nonsense Which part do you disagree with?
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