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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,913 Views)
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That’s the best team on the planet . Who will destroy everyone in the way this year. We played well for 20 mins . Then psg got out of their beds. On to Sunday . He’s here for the ten
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

Boruc, Telfer, Balde, McManus, Naylor, Nakamura, Gravesen, Lennon, Sno, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Zurawski

Wire in. Explain to me how those individual players are more adept at defending than our current batch.
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Can Brendan look himself in the mirror having taken 3 absolute shaggings in the CL group stage and say he's satisfied? Would he honestly we got beaten 7-1 rather than change the tactics and lose 3-0? He says so but they're not the same thing! They just aren't. One is defeat the other is embarrassment.

I take the financial gulf. Of course. It's bigger than it's ever been and it's only growing. But these repeated routs are embarrassing, there's no way around it. PSG are winning every week against teams of a similar standard of us, but not always by 5 and 6. Teams find a way to keep it respectable.

Yes, there are a very many teams in Europe (the Anderlechts of this world) who we should go toe to toe with, because we have the resources to do so. And we've done it well.

We do not have the resources to to the same against PSG etc. away from home. It's pure folly to think so.

Brendan has won 2/17 group stages matches as a manager. He's been utterly magnificent in almost every respect, but this behaviour is naive. He needs to take stock and admit what he's done wrong. It's not much, but no one is perfect and he and we need to improve against the real elite. Because let's face it, we've done it plenty of times before with arguably inferior playing staff.
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

Boruc, Telfer, Balde, McManus, Naylor, Nakamura, Gravesen, Lennon, Sno, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Zurawski

Wire in. Explain to me how those individual players are more adept at defending than our current batch.
Buy some decent defenders then. No hard.
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

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And that defence played together pretty much every game (minus Bobo)
Sutton made a good point near the end pointing out that you need a partnership at the heart of the defence. For various reasons we have hardly fielded the same back 4 in consecutive European games.
hopefully manage to strengthen the defence before Europa games.
On a plus, I was fairly impressed with Kouassi
I thought he looked decent. Technically looks good.
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

Boruc, Telfer, Balde, McManus, Naylor, Nakamura, Gravesen, Lennon, Sno, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Zurawski

Wire in. Explain to me how those individual players are more adept at defending than our current batch.
We are playing teams now who are effing light years away from teams we played then in terms of pace, fitness and technique.

Folk here seem to think you just automatically hit a button that says ‘defend’ and the team do it.

You’re going to play against these players tonight. How in the hell do you train for that? Nobody has the speed of thought or touch these guys do. We can only theorise about areas of play. It’s madness to think it’s effective to suddenly play defensively and expect it to go well. He wants us to play a certain way. He did a bit of adapting tonight and we actually did play better than the first game.
Edited by TheBeerMonkey, 22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM.
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22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
The gap now is far far wider than when we could get away with getting results with bang average players back then. Thats not to say gaffer has to change his mind set and mentality...he has to if we are to put a dent in the europa.

As far as defenders go they can only do what manager tells them ..that said how the feck a team who wants to be CL regulars has a midfielder all over playing in our defence is criminal for a club our size with serious ambitions.

Not saying one or two centre halfs would have had a bearing on the group but ffs they would at least be aware of how to defend and position themselves.

Poor show from club IMO last summer to wait to last day of window for a fella to fail a medical..,we should be better than that for a cl campaign.
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Can Brendan look himself in the mirror having taken 3 absolute shaggings in the CL group stage and say he's satisfied? Would he honestly we got beaten 7-1 rather than change the tactics and lose 3-0? He says so but they're not the same thing! They just aren't. One is defeat the other is embarrassment.

I take the financial gulf. Of course. It's bigger than it's ever been and it's only growing. But these repeated routs are embarrassing, there's no way around it. PSG are winning every week against teams of a similar standard of us, but not always by 5 and 6. Teams find a way to keep it respectable.

Yes, there are a very many teams in Europe (the Anderlechts of this world) who we should go toe to toe with, because we have the resources to do so. And we've done it well.

We do not have the resources to to the same against PSG etc. away from home. It's pure folly to think so.

Brendan has won 2/17 group stages matches as a manager. He's been utterly magnificent in almost every respect, but this behaviour is naive. He needs to take stock and admit what he's done wrong. It's not much, but no one is perfect and he and we need to improve against the real elite. Because let's face it, we've done it plenty of times before with arguably inferior playing staff.
Where does this change the tactics and lose 3-0 come from?

Is it really that simple that by simply having every player behind the ball for 90 mins guarantees a no worse than 3-0 defeat?
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Wow, that was awesome - went totally toe to toe with them.
With more composure we could've scored a couple of great goals. We're only going to improve on that composure at this level by practicing it.
This was only going to end one way
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Judge the gaffer at this level once he has a realistic budget to play with until then just go with the flow.
He'll never have a budget that can compete at this level which is why you have to make the best of what you've got. That's where he should be judged.

Defensively there's questions to be asked. That tag came with Rodgers though. We know that he isn't necessarily the guy to set you up for a 'anti football' display the way a Lennon or O'Neill could've.
I understand that but he hasn't spent any money as yet on players who can make a difference if we can spend £2-3 million on certain areas for the right player who can make a difference in the wanyama van dijk mound we could have a slim chance at actually giving teams like psg a decent game. But as yet he hasn't had the chance or funds to really make an impact at this level hopefully the money received over the last 2 seasons doesn't get stashed away and we back him with at least £15m-£20m to build a team capable of not only dominating in Scotland but compete at a realistic champions league level although I know we are at the realistic stage just now a europa league run at least should be our aim from here on in if we cannot make last 16 cl level.
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Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
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22 Nov 2017, 11:03 PM
Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
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Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
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Rodgers rarely presides over a surprise result. We win all the games we're supposed to, and we lose all the games we're supposed to. He's not a master tactician, he's a manager who gets his players to perform to the best of their abilities as often as possible, and he's great at it. We play one style of football, irrespective of how we set up. That means we'll get jumped by the megaclubs and give ourselves the best possible chance against Anderlecht and their ilk.

Take it or leave it.
Do people even want the surprise victory?

The way some talk they would be happy if we managed to just lose 3-0 vs sides better than us.
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You reckon? we're only lucky that they are worse than us and by all accounts they apparently were unlucky not to win tonight. We've had our worst ever defeats in the CL over the last 2 years, he's broken records domestically but he has also negatively broken them in the CL!
If we had played ultra-defensively in our other CL games and not tried to pass it or retain possession, then I don't think we'd have beaten Anderlecht 3-0.

The humpings are effectively practice for playing that style against our actual CL competition.

Presume that's how Rodgers sees it anyway.
I thought all the teams in our our group were "actual CL competition"...so getting pumped 17-2 by PSG and BM set us up to win 0-3 against Anderelcht :ponder: Aye because we've never ever beaten bigger teams than Anderlecht in the CL or loss by less than the other two teams.

BR does not how to play in europe against the big teams it has been the only chink in his armour since he has been with us, if there were signs that our players had learned from previous humpings I'd go with his preachings but considering our record humping from last year just got bigger I'd guess not!
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Bizarre interview and demeanour from him. ‘Proud of the players’ FFS...
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Love Brendan . But let's be honest . He is beyond naive at setting up how to defend in Europe .
Incorrect. Most of the goals we've lost have been avoidable and none of them are because of how we've set up. We've given the all away too easily, failed to mark men properly and been undone by better players.

No one has got in behind us because we've been firing our fullbacks up the park and getting down on the counter.

Folk are criticising BR for getting us to try and play. With the way we defend, does anyone think pumping it up long to Dembele and sitting 10 men in and around our box will work?
This.

It’s not like we set up 3-2-5 or 4-2-4. I’m not sure what system people want us to play?

8-1-1
You could play narrow and play deep, double up on the wings, we were too exposed we need to be more compact, shut off the holes between the lines and stop them getting in behind and that would limit their options
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
The gap now is far far wider than when we could get away with getting results with bang average players back then. Thats not to say gaffer has to change his mind set and mentality...he has to if we are to put a dent in the europa.

As far as defenders go they can only do what manager tells them ..that said how the feck a team who wants to be CL regulars has a midfielder all over playing in our defence is criminal for a club our size with serious ambitions.

Not saying one or two centre halfs would have had a bearing on the group but ffs they would at least be aware of how to defend and position themselves.

Poor show from club IMO last summer to wait to last day of window for a fella to fail a medical..,we should be better than that for a cl campaign.
The defending was naive, stiff legged, stiff arsed and downright atrocious pure and simple. We need better defenders and a better defence coach. It was neither zonal or man marking. We made it easy for them. We need to have a reality check and Brendan needs to be accountable. Unacceptable.
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

Isn't it more accurate to say that our defenders can't defend

They need a clear out for european football at this level.

Edited by Lobey Dosser, 22 Nov 2017, 11:14 PM.
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