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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,914 Views)
littlegmbhoy
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Massive fan of the gaffer and love him for everything he has done at our club and how he has transformed us to where we are.

His european tactics at this level are questionable and he is not beyond constructive criticism. PSG and Bayern will scud better teams than us so all things in perspective but his all out philosophy at this level is not doing us any favours.

We have lost 17 goals from 4 games when we set up it seems to me to pressure teams when we don’t have the players to compete. He really now needs to have a plan B of how we setup in hopefully later stages of Europa as we will come up against some quality teams...we wont get away with his current mantra.

Major sore one tonight but not THAT surprised TBH. Interesting to see if he indeed does change it after Christmas.

He has not got much wrong for us but three of the games against Munich and PSG we have got a doing and i think he is culpable due to system and setup.

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idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 10:36 PM
Hellas67
22 Nov 2017, 10:27 PM
So Brendan, what exaclty have we learned from these constant humpings in the CL and your refusal to change tactics???
How to win comfortably away to Anderlecht by playing our game at a higher level?
Anderlecht are not PSG and to treat them the same way is naive at best. Pure folly more like.
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Surely part of good tactical management is being able to defend ??
It's a big part of football.
Look at Liverpool last night

We need to adapt a wee bit
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22 Nov 2017, 10:45 PM
idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 10:36 PM
Hellas67
22 Nov 2017, 10:27 PM
So Brendan, what exaclty have we learned from these constant humpings in the CL and your refusal to change tactics???
How to win comfortably away to Anderlecht by playing our game at a higher level?
Anderlecht are not PSG and to treat them the same way is naive at best. Pure folly more like.
I was answering on behalf of Brendan, doubt he'll be on posting for a while. ;)
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22 Nov 2017, 10:43 PM
Judge the gaffer at this level once he has a realistic budget to play with until then just go with the flow.
Neil Lennon had the same budget, but was pragmatic enough to set up defensively in Europe.

This devotion to playing open football is a blind spot of Brendan's. Surely being a good coach is being able to adapt to each opponent?
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22 Nov 2017, 10:45 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 10:30 PM
Love Brendan . But let's be honest . He is beyond naive at setting up how to defend in Europe .
Incorrect. Most of the goals we've lost have been avoidable and none of them are because of how we've set up. We've given the all away too easily, failed to mark men properly and been undone by better players.

No one has got in behind us because we've been firing our fullbacks up the park and getting down on the counter.

Folk are criticising BR for getting us to try and play. With the way we defend, does anyone think pumping it up long to Dembele and sitting 10 men in and around our box will work?
This.

It’s not like we set up 3-2-5 or 4-2-4. I’m not sure what system people want us to play?

8-1-1
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Hopefully Rodgers won't be as accepting of 7-0 and 7-1 losses as Celtic managers as some others are.
Edited by Mubo Loravcik, 22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM.
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You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
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Mubo Loravcik
22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
Hopefully Rodgers won't be as accepting of 7-0 and 7-1 losses as Celtic managers as some others are.
Anderlecht scored mate. Sevco.
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We all should learn from previous mistakes. Brendan needs to both buy better defenders and have a rethink about tactics for away games against the top flight teams. 7 in Barcelona and now 7 in Paris is not acceptable even allowing for the disparity in resources.
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idyllwild
22 Nov 2017, 10:36 PM
Hellas67
22 Nov 2017, 10:27 PM
So Brendan, what exaclty have we learned from these constant humpings in the CL and your refusal to change tactics???
How to win comfortably away to Anderlecht by playing our game at a higher level?
You reckon? we're only lucky that they are worse than us and by all accounts they apparently were unlucky not to win tonight. We've had our worst ever defeats in the CL over the last 2 years, he's broken records domestically but he has also negatively broken them in the CL!
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A little pragmatism and instilling some defensive discipline would be a nice gesture for future European games.
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Milton
22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

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Wait. I've seen Lennon mentioned. So I'm out.
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4-4-1-1 was pretty pragmatic. Basic mistakes cost us. Would critiscise BR for the subs (or lack of). Rogic on for 90 minutes was very odd.
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22 Nov 2017, 10:51 PM
Milton
22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

Not only that, he just doesn't get it.
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22 Nov 2017, 10:52 PM
4-4-1-1 was pretty pragmatic. Basic mistakes cost us. Would critiscise BR for the subs (or lack of). Rogic on for 90 minutes was very odd.
Before the game people seemed pleased with the lineup.

He tried tonight to have us with enough bodies in the middle of the park but still be able to break in numbers.

I don’t see much wrong with that approach. Unfortunately we have players who commit individual errors which at this level are punished while domestically not so much.

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Milton
22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

What, defenders?


They're no Naylor and McManus that's for sure.
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Hellas67
22 Nov 2017, 10:51 PM
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22 Nov 2017, 10:36 PM
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So Brendan, what exaclty have we learned from these constant humpings in the CL and your refusal to change tactics???
How to win comfortably away to Anderlecht by playing our game at a higher level?
You reckon? we're only lucky that they are worse than us and by all accounts they apparently were unlucky not to win tonight. We've had our worst ever defeats in the CL over the last 2 years, he's broken records domestically but he has also negatively broken them in the CL!
If we had played ultra-defensively in our other CL games and not tried to pass it or retain possession, then I don't think we'd have beaten Anderlecht 3-0.

The humpings are effectively practice for playing that style against our actual CL competition.

Presume that's how Rodgers sees it anyway.
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22 Nov 2017, 10:51 PM
Milton
22 Nov 2017, 10:49 PM
You only need to look at Strachan sides to see that huge mismatches can be overcome by knowing how to defend well. I get that teams like PSG are better than the opposition may have been then, but we were scraping results with the likes of McManus, Caldwell, Balde, Telfer and Naylor in defence FFS.

You simply can't go out against a team like that and try to attack them. On a good day, they'll have a bad game and we'll narrowly lose. But for the most part they're just going to give us a complete hiding. Losing 7-1 is humiliating no matter how people are going to try and dress it up.
Dont you effing people get it. We don't have the players to defend.

:thumbsup:
And that defence played together pretty much every game (minus Bobo)
Sutton made a good point near the end pointing out that you need a partnership at the heart of the defence. For various reasons we have hardly fielded the same back 4 in consecutive European games.
hopefully manage to strengthen the defence before Europa games.
On a plus, I was fairly impressed with Kouassi
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