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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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19 Oct 2017, 11:12 PM
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BRENDAN RODGERS has vowed he will never pick a defensive team in the Champions League — insisting: I will NOT change. Rodgers urged his side to attack Bayern Munich in the Allianz Arena on Wednesday night. Celts slumped to a 3-0 defeat but, asked if he should have set up a team to be more defensive, Rodgers said: “You are looking at the wrong man. “It’s not me. I have NO compromise. We play and our players will get better. “You could maybe play for 100 years and never bridge the gap financially, but we’re working away in a difficult market in the Champions League and trying to compete. “That’s the overall objective. To be competitive at this level and that’s working collectively. “Of course, you may have managers who do it in a different way, but I have no compromise. It’s how I work.” Rodgers insists there has to be a degree of realism when Celtic play the likes of Bayern. The German giants have a spending power the Parkhead boss can only dream of and he believes that must be taken into consideration. He fears Celts will NEVER again be able to repeat the 1967 heroics of the Lisbon Lions and compete at the highest level. However, Rodgers insists that won’t stop him from striving to catch up with Europe’s elite clubs. He added: “It depends what people win in bridging the gap. “We cannot compete at all with Bayern Munich financially, but you have to find a way. “It’s incredibly difficult, of course, but we can’t stop trying. “The figures and the gap is huge, but you don’t give up hope and you try to find ways to get results.” “For us this year, a huge step forward for us will be coming out of this group and that would be great. “The confidence we would gain from taking that next step is big for us this year in terms of the development of the squad. “We are looking to create a group who can come and be competitive at Champions League level. “If you get third in the group and go into the Europa after Christmas, then it’s a big step. “You think of the level in this competition and it’s absolutely frightening really. “For us, this is what we have to do in this new football.” Celtic fans cheered their team off the park after the defeat to Jupp Heynckes’ side and Rodgers appreciates their unwavering support. He added: “I must give a special mention for our supporters. “There was a 75,000 stadium and all I heard all night was them. They gave us incredible support. “Unfortunately we couldn’t give them the result they wanted — but they gave us great support and thank you to them.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/rodgers-defence
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HIS comments may hit a nerve. But the way Brendan Rodgers sees it that’s precisely what was missing from his Celtic side’s performance in Munich. Bottle. Belief. There are plenty of ways to describe it. Some words the players may not like hearing in the cold light of day. But as far as Rodgers is concerned he has a squad as honest as the day is long — so there’s no point in sugar-coating it. While their display and defeat in the Allianz Arena was absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, it still wasn’t up to the standards he wants to set. Rodgers said: “Technically they’ve shown they’re good enough to do it. Tactically they also got in good positions. “But then you have to have the NERVE. You need the nerve to play. “That’s what the top guys have and it’s what we’re trying to impose and force onto the team. “Because to play at this level you need that. “We didn’t once, from being in position in the first half, play from the goalkeeper to a centre half. “Not once, not once.” The idea that the Celtic players were intimidated by their surroundings and opposition is probably a hard one to consider for Rodgers and the club’s supporters but there seemed to be an element of truth about that. The swagger Rodgers’ side have domestically has been missing against the likes of PSG and Bayern. That’s maybe unsurprising given the calibre of player they’re up against, but it’s the harsh reality of top level football. Rodgers added: “It is different, it is. But that’s the pressure at this level. “That’s why the top players, as well as having the physical attributes, they have that mental courage to play as well. You can’t just click your fingers and get that. “That takes time, unfortunately. But this is an incredibly honest group of players and they gave everything. We have things to look at.” Rodgers couldn’t hide his frustration during the first half as possession was given away time and again. Holding his face in his hands at times, the Celtic boss grew increasingly annoyed every time clearances were made rather than passes. He added: “You saw in the second half we did it better. Okay, we made some mistakes but we looked to get it out and come through the pitch, “We worked through the midfield and created opportunities. “We always feel we can be a threat in attack but that’s the key. Scott Brown went looking for the ball from the back and if you look at him he’s got that personality. “We didn’t help the midfield players and we didn’t help the front players in the first half. They couldn’t get the ball often enough because we didn’t build the play with that nerve.” Kieran Tierney was guilty of being far too wasteful with the ball but the youngsters will learn from the experience of playing against an experienced world class talent in Arjen Robben. Rodgers added: “It’s when you have the opportunity to play at the top level as often as you can, it can do nothing but help you. “I thought Kieran did really well in Munich. He was against Arjen and you saw his qualities at 33 years of age. He’s a world-class operator, but Kieran stuck to his task really well, so you are only going to get better. “We’re doing remarkably well with our run and record domestically, but I came here to create a level of football which was for this Champions League level and not just domestic football. “That is just about time, confidence and giving them the confidence while being exposed to the top level as often as possible.” One major problem for Rodgers is that he didn’t have a recognised centre-half on his bench to turn to even if he wanted to. Jozo Simunovic is his best defender but the big Croat is injured again and can’t be relied upon to play at the highest level on a regular basis. There could be an argument that Rodgers should have signed another dominant stopper during the transfer window but there were attempts made which simply didn’t happen. Rodgers added: “It is what it is. Since I’ve come in here, from the very first day, we’ve been struggling with the availability of central defenders. Not just one, not just two, it’s been three and sometimes four. “It’s something we’ve had to deal with, something we have to look at in terms of getting that consistency.” The wider issue for clubs like Celtic is that bridging the gap with the Bayern Munichs of the world is virtually impossible. Financially the German giants are a superpower. That’s why Rodgers called for a dose of realism immediately after the game. As he rightly points out, there’s no shame in losing 3-0 in the Allianz Arena. Rodgers added: “You just have to be realistic. The game now, the modern game, is moving away beyond because of finances. For us we want to be competitive and to do that we have to find a way, a different way. “That’s through an ideal of playing as a collective. It’s about breeding that and growing that. “But, listen, there is no shame in coming to the Allianz and losing 3-0. We had some chances and when you look at the goals we conceded they were disappointing. “I don’t feel any shame in it at all. Bayern Munich are a world class outfit. They are a super-power club and at times I thought we actually played and showed confidence. “But it takes more time to have that total faith.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/brendan-rodgers
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Much as I like what Brendan has done for us, I have watched enough football in my near 60 years to recognise what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't want to be like that little shampoo Mourinho entirely but I would like Brendan to take a little of his consummate pragmatism to heart for away ties in the CL
we have had 5 away ties in the cl group stage under brendan. 2 defeats 2 draws and 1 win id say hes doing alright compared to the more pragmatci mons 8 defeats and 1 draw and strachans 9 defeats out of 9 You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides.
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19 Oct 2017, 11:48 PM
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Much as I like what Brendan has done for us, I have watched enough football in my near 60 years to recognise what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't want to be like that little shampoo Mourinho entirely but I would like Brendan to take a little of his consummate pragmatism to heart for away ties in the CL
we have had 5 away ties in the cl group stage under brendan. 2 defeats 2 draws and 1 win id say hes doing alright compared to the more pragmatci mons 8 defeats and 1 draw and strachans 9 defeats out of 9
You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides. Of course you can count that game ffs
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19 Oct 2017, 11:54 PM
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You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides.
Of course you can count that game ffs  Sure, you can count it. But it needs some context - half their team were kids or reserves and the game felt more like a pre-season friendly than a Champions League encounter.
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20 Oct 2017, 12:07 AM
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Much as I like what Brendan has done for us, I have watched enough football in my near 60 years to recognise what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't want to be like that little shampoo Mourinho entirely but I would like Brendan to take a little of his consummate pragmatism to heart for away ties in the CL
we have had 5 away ties in the cl group stage under brendan. 2 defeats 2 draws and 1 win id say hes doing alright compared to the more pragmatci mons 8 defeats and 1 draw and strachans 9 defeats out of 9
You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides. be aswell discounting our draw in the nou camp then juve victory and several others if we are going down that route.
either way, the other 4 on their own would still be a massive improvement on previous managers
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20 Oct 2017, 12:10 AM
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It's a far more entertaining philosophy than Strachan (who got some results) ever entertained. I'm with Brendan 100% and I think he needs some time to build the belief among the players in a European stage. We are playing some great football domestically and have just gone what, almost 60 matches undefeated.
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20 Oct 2017, 12:36 AM
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Much as I like what Brendan has done for us, I have watched enough football in my near 60 years to recognise what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't want to be like that little shampoo Mourinho entirely but I would like Brendan to take a little of his consummate pragmatism to heart for away ties in the CL
we have had 5 away ties in the cl group stage under brendan. 2 defeats 2 draws and 1 win id say hes doing alright compared to the more pragmatci mons 8 defeats and 1 draw and strachans 9 defeats out of 9
You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides. There is a way, and that's for the players to stick to BR's footballing principles, and not abandon them in the face of pressure. That's what many of them did last night, from Gordon deciding to hoof the ball rather than pass it to a defender, to Nitcham and Armstrong carelessly giving the ball away in midfield, to Roberts trying to beat their entire defence as though we were playing Hamilton. We did not play our normal game because we were obviously intimidated into abandoning it. Brendan must have laid into them at halftime because in the second half we showed glimpses of our normal passing game. As Brendan says, when we develop the nerve to play our game we might still not beat these elite teams but they'll know they've been in a game
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20 Oct 2017, 04:13 AM
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No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.
And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time. If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time. I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat. Spot on.
He's trying to implement a philosophical change in the way that we play and these things take time. At the moment, if we're looking for progress we judge ourselves against the teams who are closest to us. Playing the way that he wants us to helped us win 3-0 away to Anderlecht. I wouldn't have expected that from any Celtic team I've watched, not even circa-2004 MON's team.
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20 Oct 2017, 04:41 AM
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Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game. Is that what it was called?
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20 Oct 2017, 04:42 AM
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Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time. If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time. I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.
Spot on. He's trying to implement a philosophical change in the way that we play and these things take time. At the moment, if we're looking for progress we judge ourselves against the teams who are closest to us. Playing the way that he wants us to helped us win 3-0 away to Anderlecht. I wouldn't have expected that from any Celtic team I've watched, not even circa-2004 MON's team. We can actually change the way we play from game to game. Anderlecht was a different proposition. We don't have the players good enough to set up like that against Bayern and PSG.
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20 Oct 2017, 04:59 AM
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Spot on. He's trying to implement a philosophical change in the way that we play and these things take time. At the moment, if we're looking for progress we judge ourselves against the teams who are closest to us. Playing the way that he wants us to helped us win 3-0 away to Anderlecht. I wouldn't have expected that from any Celtic team I've watched, not even circa-2004 MON's team.
We can actually change the way we play from game to game. Anderlecht was a different proposition. We don't have the players good enough to set up like that against Bayern and PSG. Not, but as he said he's trying to change the way the players approach games like these and that's not going to happen by telling them to stay in our own half and hoof the ball down the line.
Not sure what people are finding hard to grasp here.
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I along with everyone else, am very disappointed with the result in Munich on Wednesday night. But I am more upset with the performance. We can play a lot better than that. BR can advocate the passing game all he likes, but he got things seriously wrong on Wednesday night. It is nigh impossible to pass your way out of defence if the players can't pass. It is even more ridiculous for a goalkeeper to play high balls out to fullbacks on the touchline who can't effectively control the ball. I am also acutely aware that it is difficult to make a pass if there is no one available to pass to. I lost count of the number of times KT was looking to pass the ball up the line to Sinclair only to find Sinclair had drifted inside a good 15 yards making a pass impossible.
Another point; Why did he have all the subs out 'warming up' at halftime? They did a wee bit of running around, some keepy ups and stretches whilst watching the highlights of the other ties on the big screen. Were they not to be privy to his team talk on how the team was going to approach the second half at 2-0 down? At 2-0 down the next goal is crucial. Brendan waited a full 15 minutes after we were 3-0 down before making changes. What did he think this was going to achieve? Apart from saving some players for Saturday;s game v Hibs, what was the point? The game was gone. I don't expect us to beat teams the likes of Bayern, but FFS I do expect that we make it difficult for them and for us to show some of our own qualities. Celtic on Wednesday night did neither. Brendan Rodgers is a very good manager and I love him to bits, but let's not be blinded by the light.
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20 Oct 2017, 07:08 AM
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Much as I like what Brendan has done for us, I have watched enough football in my near 60 years to recognise what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't want to be like that little shampoo Mourinho entirely but I would like Brendan to take a little of his consummate pragmatism to heart for away ties in the CL
we have had 5 away ties in the cl group stage under brendan. 2 defeats 2 draws and 1 win id say hes doing alright compared to the more pragmatci mons 8 defeats and 1 draw and strachans 9 defeats out of 9
You can’t really count the draw at Man City considering the game was meaningless and they fielded a reserve team as they were already through while we were already out. I’d hate to see us field an ultra defensive line-up in Europe but there has to be a middle ground. 5-0 and 7-0 defeats shouldn’t be happening to a squad with our talent. But for a couple of poor referee calls last night, we could have been staring at another 5-0. There must be a way Rodgers can stick to his footballing principles and also make us a bit more difficult to break down against top sides.
Almost all of that man city team that night would have walzed into our first team
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20 Oct 2017, 07:13 AM
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I along with everyone else, am very disappointed with the result in Munich on Wednesday night. But I am more upset with the performance. We can play a lot better than that. BR can advocate the passing game all he likes, but he got things seriously wrong on Wednesday night. It is nigh impossible to pass your way out of defence if the players can't pass. It is even more ridiculous for a goalkeeper to play high balls out to fullbacks on the touchline who can't effectively control the ball. I am also acutely aware that it is difficult to make a pass if there is no one available to pass to. I lost count of the number of times KT was looking to pass the ball up the line to Sinclair only to find Sinclair had drifted inside a good 15 yards making a pass impossible.
Another point; Why did he have all the subs out 'warming up' at halftime? They did a wee bit of running around, some keepy ups and stretches whilst watching the highlights of the other ties on the big screen. Were they not to be privy to his team talk on how the team was going to approach the second half at 2-0 down? At 2-0 down the next goal is crucial. Brendan waited a full 15 minutes after we were 3-0 down before making changes. What did he think this was going to achieve? Apart from saving some players for Saturday;s game v Hibs, what was the point? The game was gone. I don't expect us to beat teams the likes of Bayern, but FFS I do expect that we make it difficult for them and for us to show some of our own qualities. Celtic on Wednesday night did neither. Brendan Rodgers is a very good manager and I love him to bits, but let's not be blinded by the light. You've never seen a Brendan Rodgers Celtic team have you?
Literally every game the subs are out a half time and he makes a sub around the 60 minute mark (barring injury).
Every game Tierney gets the ball wide and Sinclair moves inside. It's how we play down that side.
Every game Gordon plays balls out to the full backs. We start attacks from there a hell of a lot.
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20 Oct 2017, 07:44 AM
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Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game.
Is that what it was called? Yes it is. The quality of defending could have been better, obvioulsy.
The manager won't be changing his philosophy so you'll have to accept the odd horsing when we play the best teams in the world. If we finish third and reach the Europa it will be a successful European campaign.
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20 Oct 2017, 08:39 AM
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Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time. If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time. I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.
Spot on. He's trying to implement a philosophical change in the way that we play and these things take time. At the moment, if we're looking for progress we judge ourselves against the teams who are closest to us. Playing the way that he wants us to helped us win 3-0 away to Anderlecht. I wouldn't have expected that from any Celtic team I've watched, not even circa-2004 MON's team. There was also the 5-0 win at home to Astana. The last 5 CL games we've won 5-0, lost 4-3, lost 5-0, won 3-0 and lost 3-0.
It's a real mixed bag but seen together there are definite signs of progress. If the players can learn to hold their nerve a bit better, we should see more.
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20 Oct 2017, 09:33 AM
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We can actually change the way we play from game to game. Anderlecht was a different proposition. We don't have the players good enough to set up like that against Bayern and PSG.
Not, but as he said he's trying to change the way the players approach games like these and that's not going to happen by telling them to stay in our own half and hoof the ball down the line. Not sure what people are finding hard to grasp here. I think everyone grasps it just fine.
What some people are having a hard time with is the idea that there is one way of playing and one way only, a catch all philosophy. We should be changing things up a bit when meeting teams like Bayern or we're in for more scuddings.
Approach each game for what it is.
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20 Oct 2017, 09:39 AM
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- 20 Oct 2017, 09:33 AM
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- 20 Oct 2017, 04:42 AM
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Not, but as he said he's trying to change the way the players approach games like these and that's not going to happen by telling them to stay in our own half and hoof the ball down the line. Not sure what people are finding hard to grasp here.
I think everyone grasps it just fine. What some people are having a hard time with is the idea that there is one way of playing and one way only, a catch all philosophy. We should be changing things up a bit when meeting teams like Bayern or we're in for more scuddings. Approach each game for what it is. I remember another manager saying much the same things.
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20 Oct 2017, 09:45 AM
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Rodgers going in. I like it!!!!
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“We didn’t once, from being in position in the first half, play from the goalkeeper to a centre half.
“Not once, not once.”
That's simply not on. Not good enough and its up to the players to take responsibility and make sure that doesn't happen.
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20 Oct 2017, 09:48 AM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 11:12 PM
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BRENDAN RODGERS has vowed he will never pick a defensive team in the Champions League — insisting: I will NOT change. Rodgers urged his side to attack Bayern Munich in the Allianz Arena on Wednesday night. Celts slumped to a 3-0 defeat but, asked if he should have set up a team to be more defensive, Rodgers said: “You are looking at the wrong man. “It’s not me. I have NO compromise. We play and our players will get better. “You could maybe play for 100 years and never bridge the gap financially, but we’re working away in a difficult market in the Champions League and trying to compete. “That’s the overall objective. To be competitive at this level and that’s working collectively. “Of course, you may have managers who do it in a different way, but I have no compromise. It’s how I work.” Rodgers insists there has to be a degree of realism when Celtic play the likes of Bayern. The German giants have a spending power the Parkhead boss can only dream of and he believes that must be taken into consideration. He fears Celts will NEVER again be able to repeat the 1967 heroics of the Lisbon Lions and compete at the highest level. However, Rodgers insists that won’t stop him from striving to catch up with Europe’s elite clubs. He added: “It depends what people win in bridging the gap. “We cannot compete at all with Bayern Munich financially, but you have to find a way. “It’s incredibly difficult, of course, but we can’t stop trying. “The figures and the gap is huge, but you don’t give up hope and you try to find ways to get results.” “For us this year, a huge step forward for us will be coming out of this group and that would be great. “The confidence we would gain from taking that next step is big for us this year in terms of the development of the squad. “We are looking to create a group who can come and be competitive at Champions League level. “If you get third in the group and go into the Europa after Christmas, then it’s a big step. “You think of the level in this competition and it’s absolutely frightening really. “For us, this is what we have to do in this new football.” Celtic fans cheered their team off the park after the defeat to Jupp Heynckes’ side and Rodgers appreciates their unwavering support. He added: “I must give a special mention for our supporters. “There was a 75,000 stadium and all I heard all night was them. They gave us incredible support. “Unfortunately we couldn’t give them the result they wanted — but they gave us great support and thank you to them.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/rodgers-defence
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HIS comments may hit a nerve. But the way Brendan Rodgers sees it that’s precisely what was missing from his Celtic side’s performance in Munich. Bottle. Belief. There are plenty of ways to describe it. Some words the players may not like hearing in the cold light of day. But as far as Rodgers is concerned he has a squad as honest as the day is long — so there’s no point in sugar-coating it. While their display and defeat in the Allianz Arena was absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, it still wasn’t up to the standards he wants to set. Rodgers said: “Technically they’ve shown they’re good enough to do it. Tactically they also got in good positions. “But then you have to have the NERVE. You need the nerve to play. “That’s what the top guys have and it’s what we’re trying to impose and force onto the team. “Because to play at this level you need that. “We didn’t once, from being in position in the first half, play from the goalkeeper to a centre half. “Not once, not once.” The idea that the Celtic players were intimidated by their surroundings and opposition is probably a hard one to consider for Rodgers and the club’s supporters but there seemed to be an element of truth about that. The swagger Rodgers’ side have domestically has been missing against the likes of PSG and Bayern. That’s maybe unsurprising given the calibre of player they’re up against, but it’s the harsh reality of top level football. Rodgers added: “It is different, it is. But that’s the pressure at this level. “That’s why the top players, as well as having the physical attributes, they have that mental courage to play as well. You can’t just click your fingers and get that. “That takes time, unfortunately. But this is an incredibly honest group of players and they gave everything. We have things to look at.” Rodgers couldn’t hide his frustration during the first half as possession was given away time and again. Holding his face in his hands at times, the Celtic boss grew increasingly annoyed every time clearances were made rather than passes. He added: “You saw in the second half we did it better. Okay, we made some mistakes but we looked to get it out and come through the pitch, “We worked through the midfield and created opportunities. “We always feel we can be a threat in attack but that’s the key. Scott Brown went looking for the ball from the back and if you look at him he’s got that personality. “We didn’t help the midfield players and we didn’t help the front players in the first half. They couldn’t get the ball often enough because we didn’t build the play with that nerve.” Kieran Tierney was guilty of being far too wasteful with the ball but the youngsters will learn from the experience of playing against an experienced world class talent in Arjen Robben. Rodgers added: “It’s when you have the opportunity to play at the top level as often as you can, it can do nothing but help you. “I thought Kieran did really well in Munich. He was against Arjen and you saw his qualities at 33 years of age. He’s a world-class operator, but Kieran stuck to his task really well, so you are only going to get better. “We’re doing remarkably well with our run and record domestically, but I came here to create a level of football which was for this Champions League level and not just domestic football. “That is just about time, confidence and giving them the confidence while being exposed to the top level as often as possible.” One major problem for Rodgers is that he didn’t have a recognised centre-half on his bench to turn to even if he wanted to. Jozo Simunovic is his best defender but the big Croat is injured again and can’t be relied upon to play at the highest level on a regular basis. There could be an argument that Rodgers should have signed another dominant stopper during the transfer window but there were attempts made which simply didn’t happen. Rodgers added: “It is what it is. Since I’ve come in here, from the very first day, we’ve been struggling with the availability of central defenders. Not just one, not just two, it’s been three and sometimes four. “It’s something we’ve had to deal with, something we have to look at in terms of getting that consistency.” The wider issue for clubs like Celtic is that bridging the gap with the Bayern Munichs of the world is virtually impossible. Financially the German giants are a superpower. That’s why Rodgers called for a dose of realism immediately after the game. As he rightly points out, there’s no shame in losing 3-0 in the Allianz Arena. Rodgers added: “You just have to be realistic. The game now, the modern game, is moving away beyond because of finances. For us we want to be competitive and to do that we have to find a way, a different way. “That’s through an ideal of playing as a collective. It’s about breeding that and growing that. “But, listen, there is no shame in coming to the Allianz and losing 3-0. We had some chances and when you look at the goals we conceded they were disappointing. “I don’t feel any shame in it at all. Bayern Munich are a world class outfit. They are a super-power club and at times I thought we actually played and showed confidence. “But it takes more time to have that total faith.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/brendan-rodgers
I think that this is why BR will stay for us for a long long time
He want to build, both players and the team - this is the most important for him - he won't get the time at a top (or any) club in England to do so.
He is at a club that he loves, doing (and being allowed to do) the ting he likes the most in football - bringing through players, and bringing the team forward
He will get neither anywhere else - even if Chelsea where he has strong bonds came for him, the results would be the most important, which wouldn't be satisfying enough for him
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