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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,932 Views)
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suzieghirl10
19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
It's a wonder nobody else has tried that.
Brendan certainly hasn't :thumbsup:
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19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
It's a wonder nobody else has tried that.
Brendan certainly hasn't :thumbsup:
:ffs: His Liverpool side definitely wasn't famous for its counter attacks
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19 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
Don't understand what they're watching?
Or just have a knee jerk 'blame the manager' response to every defeat
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suzieghirl10
19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
It's a wonder nobody else has tried that.
Yeah well maybe we should try it again eh? If that's setting up to defend then we need to have a re-think about what that means.
Edited by suzieghirl10, 19 Oct 2017, 06:34 PM.
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19 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
Don't understand what they're watching?
Or just have a knee jerk 'blame the manager' response to every defeat
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
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19 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
Don't understand what they're watching?
Or just have a knee jerk 'blame the manager' response to every defeat
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Exactly!
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19 Oct 2017, 06:21 PM

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Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Exactly!
Spot on. Gamboa and KT badly exposed all night as they had players in front not known for their defensive shifts.

Brendan's philosophy of trying to play open expansive is laudable but to play it against teams like Bayern away is naive and stubborn.

We play that way in Paris and double figures may not be far away.
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19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
Don't understand what they're watching?
Or just have a knee jerk 'blame the manager' response to every defeat
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Dunno what game you're watching but Sinclair and Roberts effectively play as wing backs in these games, not as wingers.

As for Armstrong, here's his heat map from last night

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Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
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19 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
Don't understand what they're watching?
Or just have a knee jerk 'blame the manager' response to every defeat
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
How do you play on the break without wingers and attacking midfielders?
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19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 06:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Dunno what game you're watching but Sinclair and Roberts effectively play as wing backs in these games, not as wingers.

As for Armstrong, here's his heat map from last night

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Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
Pfftt, facts.

Blame the manager.
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19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 06:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Dunno what game you're watching but Sinclair and Roberts effectively play as wing backs in these games, not as wingers.

As for Armstrong, here's his heat map from last night

Posted Image

Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
What use is an individual heat map?
You need to know his positioning in relation to the players around him, in this case Brown and Ntcham in particular.
Roberts and Sinclair might have been forced backwards because of the pressure Bayern subjected us to, but they were selected to take the game to Bayern, or I'm misunderstanding Brendan's idea of playing our game.
If they were meant to be genuine wing backs then Brendan is playing two guys out of position!
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jbj712
19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM

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Exactly!
Spot on. Gamboa and KT badly exposed all night as they had players in front not known for their defensive shifts.

Brendan's philosophy of trying to play open expansive is laudable but to play it against teams like Bayern away is naive and stubborn.

We play that way in Paris and double figures may not be far away.
We could play 4-6-0 in Paris and still quite easily get hammered.

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19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Dunno what game you're watching but Sinclair and Roberts effectively play as wing backs in these games, not as wingers.

As for Armstrong, here's his heat map from last night

Posted Image

Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
What use is an individual heat map?
You need to know his positioning in relation to the players around him, in this case Brown and Ntcham in particular.
Roberts and Sinclair might have been forced backwards because of the pressure Bayern subjected us to, but they were selected to take the game to Bayern, or I'm misunderstanding Brendan's idea of playing our game.
If they were meant to be genuine wing backs then Brendan is playing two guys out of position!
Brown and Ntcham's heat maps both show they spent more time in advanced positions that Armstrong did during his time on the park. The very reason he was picked ahead of Rogic was his mobility. The ability to close down players and then get forward during counter attacks. Rodgers even said as much before the game.

When you say that the heat map doesn't matter because it doesn't show where he is in relation to the other players, it actually does matter. It shows that as an attacking midfielder, he's spending most of his time defending - because that's how we're setting up in these games. To defend and hit on the counter.

And yet posters on here are asking for us to play defensive and hit on the counter instead of what we're doing already....which is what they're asking for :doh:
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Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
Really not seeing it.

Defending most of the game doesn't mean we won't concede.

We are still going to give up chances vs the elite sides. It's going to happen no matter what. Are we banking on somehow keeping clean sheets and nicking a goal on the break?

We are not exactly going gun ho in these games. We are trying to play on the counter but we are getting pinned back so deep and without being able to get out its just extremely difficult.

Edited by puroresu_boy, 19 Oct 2017, 07:28 PM.
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Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game.
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19 Oct 2017, 06:33 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 06:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Two attacking wingers who aren't great at tracking back, Armstrong well ahead of the two holding players in midfield!
That's setting up to defend and hit on the counter?
On a computer game perhaps, in the real world not so much :lol:
Dunno what game you're watching but Sinclair and Roberts effectively play as wing backs in these games, not as wingers.

As for Armstrong, here's his heat map from last night

Posted Image

Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
Looks like Bawbag's heading for my neck of the woods :(
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19 Oct 2017, 07:23 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game.
:lol:

Folk are angry and just spouting clueless pish.
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19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game.
:lol:

Folk are angry and just spouting clueless pish.
It's effing mental on here.
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19 Oct 2017, 07:20 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 06:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted Image

Again, not even remotely in line with what you're claiming.
What use is an individual heat map?
You need to know his positioning in relation to the players around him, in this case Brown and Ntcham in particular.
Roberts and Sinclair might have been forced backwards because of the pressure Bayern subjected us to, but they were selected to take the game to Bayern, or I'm misunderstanding Brendan's idea of playing our game.
If they were meant to be genuine wing backs then Brendan is playing two guys out of position!
Brown and Ntcham's heat maps both show they spent more time in advanced positions that Armstrong did during his time on the park. The very reason he was picked ahead of Rogic was his mobility. The ability to close down players and then get forward during counter attacks. Rodgers even said as much before the game.

When you say that the heat map doesn't matter because it doesn't show where he is in relation to the other players, it actually does matter. It shows that as an attacking midfielder, he's spending most of his time defending - because that's how we're setting up in these games. To defend and hit on the counter.

And yet posters on here are asking for us to play defensive and hit on the counter instead of what we're doing already....which is what they're asking for :doh:
:lol: :thumbsup:
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19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
We did defend for most of the game.
:lol:

Folk are angry and just spouting clueless pish.
I don't know why folk are angry. Surely nobody thought anything other than at least 3 maulings in this season campaign was unrealistic.

Wait till psg away it will be a effing bloodbath in here. Record bans could be handed out
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