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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,933 Views)
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19 Oct 2017, 12:14 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 12:07 PM
And how does any of the above change by ramming 11 guys at the back and getting beat 1/2-0.
It doesn't. Nor am I asking it to.

I fully accept that we're fodder. I know we'll get beat. I just ask us to at least make teams work for their goals.
They worked constantly for their goals. It's not an accident that they made us look like schoolboys on occasion. Great teams work hard for the 90 minutes, and the other team can't do it. They switch off for an instant, even if it's just Gamboa.

We do this domestically. We constantly go at teams until they switch off for a second and we take advantage, whether it's from a set piece or open play, we know that they'll slip up and we know that we'll score. It might be down to an individual mistake in that instant, but we work continually to force the issue.
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As shampooe as it is watching us get pasted by these Elite clubs, that’s two matches this season that we have had a makeshift defence going in to these games.

Lustig is past his best as a RB and no more than a makeshift CB for the SPL and Gamboa hasn’t played in ages.

If we had our full strength sides out for Bayern and the PSG game and still played with the same defensive frailties then I would be much more concerned. As it is, a weak defence against these kind of opponents unquestionably effects the whole teams composure.

Injuries aside, a weak defence is now making the CL campaign another schooling, when it would have been wiser to invest heavily last summer, give Roberts and Dembele an easier platform to showcase their talent and make next summer less of a chore.

For the sake of one or two extra players to help relieve pressure on certain positions the team could be performing better in these games even if the end result was still a defeat.
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I still think our hesitancy in bringing in a quality CB has hampered us in Europe this season. We're just not settled.
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BR likes players that can control and pass the ball. His emphasis is on keeping the ball and dominating possession. Against the better sides, you just can't do that the same as you can with SPFL or lesser European teams. That's why Simonuvic, Brown and Boyata are vital in these games because they can compete defensively when we don't have the ball. They are hard to play against.

We need a wee bit more of that, preferably at RB and another in midfield with Brown.
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19 Oct 2017, 01:18 PM
BR likes players that can control and pass the ball. His emphasis is on keeping the ball and dominating possession. Against the better sides, you just can't do that the same as you can with SPFL or lesser European teams. That's why Simonuvic, Brown and Boyata are vital in these games because they can compete defensively when we don't have the ball. They are hard to play against.

We need a wee bit more of that, preferably at RB and another in midfield with Brown.
Hopefully, Kouassi can be that man.
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Kingslim
19 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 10:22 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 10:17 AM

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That explains it perfectly too. It's a learning curve. :thumbsup:
Too many people mistaking being properly organised and assuming it means hoofing it aimlessly up the park. That’s not what people are saying- you can be organised and controlled.

I agree that we should've been tougher to break down last night and that defensively we could've been better organised. That image of Lewandowski's positioning at the free kick speaks volumes. So we need to improve on that, and then once in possession we're showing signs that we're going to improve on that too.
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19 Oct 2017, 11:14 AM
I actually think BR is more concerned with us playing the way he wants us to and learning to do so at this level, rather than attempting to get any kind of result using park-the-bus tactics.

He pretty much said as much before the PSG game. I guess it's his prerogative as manager to consider development of our regular game at that level more important than playing a whole new system in the slim chance we get 3 points.

It's nice to see he's thinking long term, but it can be painful to watch during this learning process. :lol:
Are we learning, though? In all honesty, that performance was even more deficient than the one we gave v PSG. Against these superpowers, Rodgers hasn't created enough belief among the squad to just play their game at this level. Therefore, it's surely his prerogative to ease his side into playing at this level?
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The main attribute Rodgers has as a manager is the ability to create a mentality in his team. Belief, confidence. Whatever. This can be measured by how different we are compared to under Deila with pretty much the same squad.

The problem we've had is when that mentality is tested in big games, not just against PSG and Bayern, but the likes of Astana away and Hapoel Beer Sheva away last year. That's where nerves set in, questions get asked and our main weakness gets exposed - the defence. That doesn't just cost us goals, it bursts our bubble throughout the team and we play like we're treading on eggshells.

We didn't remedy that main weakness in the summer, so we're still going into these games expecting a disaster. That's the main reason why there is such a mental weakness in team and every one of them plays well within themselves.

It's so bad that we can't even retain the ball at throw ins. Next time we get a throw in against a big team, watch how barely anyone shows for the ball - nobody effing wants it. I've witnessed Griffiths on numerous occasions sprinting back into his own half to offer an out at a throw in because nobody else would.

Spend some effing money Celtic.
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Most of us agreed a few weeks ago when Brendan had a go at the press with his 'We could hoof it up the park, but its not gotten you very far in 20 years' comment.

Unfortunately last night is a consequence of that. I agree with him though, I'd rather go down playing our way than lose 2-0 with 11 me behind the ball.
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19 Oct 2017, 02:55 PM
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19 Oct 2017, 11:14 AM
I actually think BR is more concerned with us playing the way he wants us to and learning to do so at this level, rather than attempting to get any kind of result using park-the-bus tactics.

He pretty much said as much before the PSG game. I guess it's his prerogative as manager to consider development of our regular game at that level more important than playing a whole new system in the slim chance we get 3 points.

It's nice to see he's thinking long term, but it can be painful to watch during this learning process. :lol:
Are we learning, though? In all honesty, that performance was even more deficient than the one we gave v PSG. Against these superpowers, Rodgers hasn't created enough belief among the squad to just play their game at this level. Therefore, it's surely his prerogative to ease his side into playing at this level?
We were far better last night than we were against PSG. We looked a threat last night and were better at the back last night too.
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19 Oct 2017, 03:43 PM
Most of us agreed a few weeks ago when Brendan had a go at the press with his 'We could hoof it up the park, but its not gotten you very far in 20 years' comment.

Unfortunately last night is a consequence of that. I agree with him though, I'd rather go down playing our way than lose 2-0 with 11 me behind the ball.
11 of you behind the ball might just work out better than some of our performances in the CL. Totally agree though. :thumbsup:
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It feels like we need a bit more of the sort of pragmatism that Mourinho showed when Inter played Barca, last night was like watching a Roberto Martínez team.
Edited by TheVambo, 19 Oct 2017, 04:29 PM.
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Before the game Brendan emphasised that he sees the evolution of the team as a multi-season strategy. Basically I think he was trying to set expectations and say that challenging for the top two spaces won't happen but that is what he is aiming for. Whilst I get that and the need to do it any way that doesn't rely on parking the bus, he does need to be more pragmatic with his tactics. He doesn't need to compromise on his 4231 philosophy but I do think he needs to consider making sure he has the right players in the right positions. Roberts and Sinclair defensively at this level need to be better if we are to progress.

I do think last night was better in an attacking sense, not just the last 20 minutes as I do think we broke away at times very well albeit wasteful. But he does need to work on defensive positioning of players, and more importantly, get players to believe that they belong at this level. Last night too many players just didn't have the belief that they could get something from the game. The former is something to work on in coaching, the latter may just need to take time with the addition of some additional quality in key positions.
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19 Oct 2017, 04:29 PM
It feels like we need a bit more of the sort of pragmatism that Mourinho showed when Inter played Barca, last night was like watching a Roberto Martínez team.
Mourinho had a squad costing £200m, and still played that way.
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19 Oct 2017, 11:14 AM
I actually think BR is more concerned with us playing the way he wants us to and learning to do so at this level, rather than attempting to get any kind of result using park-the-bus tactics.

He pretty much said as much before the PSG game. I guess it's his prerogative as manager to consider development of our regular game at that level more important than playing a whole new system in the slim chance we get 3 points.

It's nice to see he's thinking long term, but it can be painful to watch during this learning process. :lol:
Are we learning, though? In all honesty, that performance was even more deficient than the one we gave v PSG. Against these superpowers, Rodgers hasn't created enough belief among the squad to just play their game at this level. Therefore, it's surely his prerogative to ease his side into playing at this level?
We were far better last night than we were against PSG. We looked a threat last night and were better at the back last night too.
:thumbsup: Lack of belief is not why we lose to teams better than us.
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19 Oct 2017, 04:33 PM
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It feels like we need a bit more of the sort of pragmatism that Mourinho showed when Inter played Barca, last night was like watching a Roberto Martínez team.
Mourinho had a squad costing £200m, and still played that way.
No he didn't, he set out a very specific team, to do a specific job and won the Champions league with a significantly worse team than Barca. It was a world class tactical plan.

But lets ignore anything positive ;) he does so we can have a wee dig at him.
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It feels like we need a bit more of the sort of pragmatism that Mourinho showed when Inter played Barca, last night was like watching a Roberto Martínez team.
Mourinho had a squad costing £200m, and still played that way.
No he didn't, he set out a very specific team, to do a specific job and won the Champions league with a significantly worse team than Barca. It was a world class tactical plan.

But lets ignore anything positive ;) he does so we can have a wee dig at him.
It was a world class tactical plan put into practice by an expensively assembled squad packed to the gunnels with experienced international players.

Maybe before we start talking about tactical plans we can talk about the quality of the players.
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Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
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19 Oct 2017, 05:53 PM
Getting beat 3-0, 5-0 cant be good for confidence so we need to tighten up and if it means defending most of the game so be it. We can counter-attack effectively.
It's a wonder nobody else has tried that.
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We are literally set up to defend and try and hit teams on the counter attack in these games. I have no idea why people can't see that.
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