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| Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic" | |
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| Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,934 Views) | |
| Kingslim | 19 Oct 2017, 10:37 AM Post #12721 |
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69 and counting
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I’m not talking about last night - I mean in general. |
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| Muzz | 19 Oct 2017, 10:39 AM Post #12722 |
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BRFA
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Fair enough but the point still stands. We don't have the players to compete at the elite level consistently and mistakes will be made. |
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| Flawless | 19 Oct 2017, 10:41 AM Post #12723 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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We played more negatively than usual by putting Armstrong in the middle instead of Rogic . The wingers are always going to play because you need someone with a bit of individual magic, those two are our best bet especially if you've forgone Rogic in the centre. Indeed Roberts, Sinclair where the only two who looked capable of beating a player. We had 8 defensive players last night. And the wingers - depsite various protestations on here - were doubling back. What else do you want? 5 at the back, 5 in the middle? Two goalies? We don't have the players to adapt. |
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| tinsoldier | 19 Oct 2017, 10:44 AM Post #12724 |
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Older than dirt
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We gave the ball back to the opposition far too easily last night. That's nothing to do with tactics or learning curves or pragmatism or hung-ho naivety. Nerves maybe, fear probably. Perhaps we do it as often domestically but get it back again more often than not. |
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| van Doesburg | 19 Oct 2017, 10:47 AM Post #12725 |
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First-team starter
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Agreed. And that's pretty much exactly what BR said himself in his press conference last night. "For this group, it's about constructing a mindset and a way of working. It's not going to happen overnight. It's constant experience but there was enough in the game for me to see the players are improving and it's something we're developing over the coming years hopefully." In this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41674769 |
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| Jinkys 7 | 19 Oct 2017, 10:55 AM Post #12726 |
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The Guy.
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I thought we actually defended well last night. I thought Tierney, Boyata and Lustig were all competent at worst. We defended poorly for the goals (3rd especially) but that's individual errors. We got beat by a team that are, financially and in football terms, years ahead of us. I'd have taken 3-0 before kick-off and after the 52nd minute so I'm not disappointed. We also finished the game strongly and could have easily scored ourselves. Playing Bayern and PSG were always going to be free games for us because nobody realistically expected us to get anything from those games. Our big games in this group were always going to be against Anderlecht. We beat them away convincingly which puts us in a good place for potential European football after Christmas. That's progression. Edited by Jinkys 7, 19 Oct 2017, 10:57 AM.
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| puroresu_boy | 19 Oct 2017, 10:56 AM Post #12727 |
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First-team starter
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Don't think we do it as often its just when we do we are not punished like we are against the elite. Even in Anderlecht when we gave it away we could still hang in the game simply because Anderlecht are not as good. Its difficult for the players we have to make the step up and deal with such intensity, such pressure as last night when they don't face that kind of intensity anywhere near regular enough. |
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| idyllwild | 19 Oct 2017, 11:01 AM Post #12728 |
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It's absolutely about a learning curve. You want the players to keep doing their thing in every game so that they learn not to be so nervous or fearful. As Stevie says, you learn that it works in one situation therefore it can work in another, and you can keep the ball with a bit more confidence because you know it can work. |
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| Kingslim | 19 Oct 2017, 11:03 AM Post #12729 |
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69 and counting
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The flip side of that is you have Sinclair failing to stop the cross at the 1st goal. He stood so far off the winger he had all time in the world to float it in. He got two goes at it before Lewandowski got his header in. Gamboa and KT were at fault too but again it goes back to my point of expecting forward thinking players doing a defensive job. We didn’t sit in naturally, we were forced back as expected. We could sacrifice a winger, bring in another cm player and play someone like Armstrong out side to help the full back. Just an example not saying we should drop Sinclair |
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| fatboab | 19 Oct 2017, 11:07 AM Post #12730 |
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Just before the Dawn
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I think we were trying to nullify Robben's influence by switching Boyata and Tierney, but it only seemed to cause us uncertainty, and left that side wide open. I guess the idea was to have the right footed Boyata up against Robben's preferred "cut back inside" routine. Whatever it was, it was a feckin' mess. |
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| Luca | 19 Oct 2017, 11:14 AM Post #12731 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I actually think BR is more concerned with us playing the way he wants us to and learning to do so at this level, rather than attempting to get any kind of result using park-the-bus tactics. He pretty much said as much before the PSG game. I guess it's his prerogative as manager to consider development of our regular game at that level more important than playing a whole new system in the slim chance we get 3 points. It's nice to see he's thinking long term, but it can be painful to watch during this learning process.
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| moravcik67 | 19 Oct 2017, 11:19 AM Post #12732 |
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No argument with that. Composure is a huge part of a successful player's makeup, whether it's a striker being through one on one, a midfielder getting the ball in a tight position, or a defender playing backs to the wall and resisting the instinct to just punt the ball anywhere. I think it can be developed to an extent. The problem is that it's something that can quickly spread throughout a team from back to front. It's difficult keeping composure when the other 10 players are all over the shop. |
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| Flawless | 19 Oct 2017, 11:27 AM Post #12733 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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But then playing 9 defensive players doesn't negate their abilities going forward. And once we get the ball we have no outlet. Considering the options available I thought Brendan picked the right team, a bit more pragmatic than usual, with a semblance of threat. Our right back got roasted by an incredibly good player, they also had two of the best forwards in the world playing. Arjen Robben and a quite mercurial Thiago. I keep saying it. Arsenal with Alexis Sanchez, Mesut Ozil, Koscielny et al went to the Allianz got 26% percent of the ball and got throbbed 5-1 6 months ago. They're practically unbeatable at home in Europe. I think only Man City ( in a dead rubber) Barcelona and Real Madrid have beat them in about 5 year. Our CL campaign is based on our head to head against Anderlecht, collecting the big money, and getting to enjoy seeing some of the best players in the world at Celtic Park. Then go into the EUropa League where we are - or should be - a much more dangerous proposition. Edited by Flawless, 19 Oct 2017, 11:28 AM.
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| Kingslim | 19 Oct 2017, 11:32 AM Post #12734 |
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69 and counting
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Totally agree. I’m looking forward to the EL - really believe we can do something in that competition. |
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| IainG | 19 Oct 2017, 11:39 AM Post #12735 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Exactly. You cannot draw any conclusions at all in games against these kind of clubs. |
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| titch | 19 Oct 2017, 11:49 AM Post #12736 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Effin hell im going to have to hand back my most negative poster award. I thought we worked hard - did well at times and for the want of a fit and full in flow squad i think we could have done better. We tried to play the way Rodgers wants us to play as much as we could and at times albeit not many we were brave on the ball. Sure tactically we could have sat in and defended and maybe lost by less/the same/more bit ive no issues with is trying to play the way Rodgers believes is the correct way to play - mauling or not and tbh compared to the first game i dont think we were that bad(at times) |
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| Dannybhoy95 | 19 Oct 2017, 11:52 AM Post #12737 |
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Champions Again Olé, Olé
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That's smashing assuming everyone stays. They won't. They never do. Lustig is on his last legs, Armstrong will likely be off soon, Paddy is gone in the summer. Jozo is unreliable. Who knows when Dembele will leave. Brown is 32. We're in a constant state of rebuilding and then plugging gaps because we don't bother with the right positions because "X player will do a job against Kilmarnock." I'm not asking for a quick fix, I just want the team to do the basics and at least look semi-competent when we play a team that's better than us. |
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| Flawless | 19 Oct 2017, 12:07 PM Post #12738 |
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Fatboab shirt designer
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And how does any of the above change by ramming 11 guys at the back and getting beat 1/2-0. You're trying to breed a philosophy and trying to upgrade on the players leaving. The game has changed. Playing super teams like Bayern Munich with 10 World Class players in their squad isn't a true reflection on Celtic. Nor is the billion pound PSG outfit. These teams make smaller teams look rotten. PSG beat Bayern 2 weeks ago by the same score as Bayern beat us last night. It's worth remembering it and adjusting expectations. Celtic's place in Europe is now. Lower level CL participants , getting a skelping whether we like it or not. |
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| pieol | 19 Oct 2017, 12:14 PM Post #12739 |
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It didn't happen a lot but Rogic and Dembele made a difference with their ability to control the ball and turn when they came on. That was the difference between the ball coming straight back at us and us actually having an attack. Must be encouraging for a defensive player if he knows his pass is going to stick. Granted Bayern had eased off but we just weren't capable of that in the first half. We actually had a good percentage of possession, unfortunately it was in our own last third of the pitch. Edited by pieol, 19 Oct 2017, 12:15 PM.
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| Dannybhoy95 | 19 Oct 2017, 12:14 PM Post #12740 |
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Champions Again Olé, Olé
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It doesn't. Nor am I asking it to. I fully accept that we're fodder. I know we'll get beat. I just ask us to at least make teams work for their goals. |
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