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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM
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No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
The mistake is to look for the improvement in games against Barca, Bayern and PSG. You're not going to see the improvement in those games, certainly not this early on. Look for it in results against other CL teams. Improve against the likes of Anderlecht, and keep progressing. And that's what we're doing.

We need to learn to walk at this level before we can think about a slight jog.
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19 Oct 2017, 08:28 AM
Sky last night had him leaving at Christmas "because he won't be happy playing Europa League and not Champions League. He'll be off to a club like Everton" :lol: That was Nicholas.

So there ye go, we won't have to put up with his European "naivety" or "arrogance" much longer.
Everton will be lucky to be playing Europa League football, never mind Champions League :lol:
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He made some obvious mistakes in his team selection last night. In games like this you need guys that can retain possession in order to ease the pressure on the defence. Dembele and Rogic are far better at this than Griffiths and Armstrong. Gamboa is an attacking full-back that struggles defensively. I accept that injuries forced the managers hand on this matter but he could have started Forrest over Roberts to offer him a bit more cover.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 09:26 AM
No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time.

If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 09:26 AM
No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time.

If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

Exactly. One of those 11 will still make a mistake, because we're not good enough to not make mistakes. And against PSG or Bayern that's likely to result in a goal.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM
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No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
It's going to take time. Did you see us going away to Anderlecht and scudding them a few years ago? I didn't.

We can't just 'do a Pep' and throw hunners of millions of pounds at the problem for a quick fix. We need to be clever in recruitment and learn from experiences like this.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:43 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 08:28 AM
Sky last night had him leaving at Christmas "because he won't be happy playing Europa League and not Champions League. He'll be off to a club like Everton" :lol: That was Nicholas.

So there ye go, we won't have to put up with his European "naivety" or "arrogance" much longer.
Everton will be lucky to be playing Europa League football, never mind Champions League :lol:
Someone should also tell Charlie that BR is currently playing CL and not EL

So what possible sense is it to suggest because he's looking for something he already has, he'd move to a team that promised neither ?
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That’s fine and we’ll but if you look at the big results like Scotland, Greece, Iceland, Ireland have managed with limited players down the years the the one common denominator is hard work and organisation not bottle. Even SAF knew he couldn’t go toe to toe with Barca and adapted. Brendan points out the quality of these teams yet still believes in playing a specific way.
SAF realised he couldn't go to toe with Barca, adapted, and still got pumped in 2 finals.

International football is of a much lower standard than elite club football.
The difference in standard is irrelevant as it still consists of many of the same players.

Doesn’t matter if it’s Celtic v East Kilbride or Brazil v Greece the point remains.

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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM

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Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time.

If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

Exactly. One of those 11 will still make a mistake, because we're not good enough to not make mistakes. And against PSG or Bayern that's likely to result in a goal.
Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
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Was it no Jock Stein that said you should never ask a player to do something he isn't capable of?

Asking Gordon to repeatedly attempt pinpoint chip passes to our midfield and fullbacks away to Bayern Munich isn't some noble principled stance, its effin stupidity.

BR doesn't have to abandon his philosophy entirely but being pragmatic enough to drop things like the above in the CL would at least make it more difficult for these teams
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Exactly. One of those 11 will still make a mistake, because we're not good enough to not make mistakes. And against PSG or Bayern that's likely to result in a goal.
Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
He's trying to create that philosophy. Maybe he'll be away next season maybe he'll be here until he drops - either way it doesn't mean he should abandon what he has in mind for the club to evolve.

If/when he does go I'd imagine he'd be involved in the appointment process.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:44 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 09:26 AM
No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time.

If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

I think that's exactly it. If it's hammered into you that your first instinct is to keep your head up and look for a pass and not just hoof the ball up the park, then at some point you'll think "I managed it against Bayern Munich, so I'll definitely be doing it against Anderlecht". You might get pumped off Bayern and PSG but the manager is instilling the right way for individual players to approach the game. If we'd have packed the defence and blootered the ball up the park constantly, we might have lost 2-0 but you learn nothing doing that so I'd rather see the players at least try to retain possession and try to probe for openings.
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19 Oct 2017, 10:17 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 09:36 AM

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Just exactly what Brendans trying to do over time.

If you increase the quality of player and increase experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

I think that's exactly it. If it's hammered into you that your first instinct is to keep your head up and look for a pass and not just hoof the ball up the park, then at some point you'll think "I managed it against Bayern Munich, so I'll definitely be doing it against Anderlecht". You might get pumped off Bayern and PSG but the manager is instilling the right way for individual players to approach the game. If we'd have packed the defence and blootered the ball up the park constantly, we might have lost 2-0 but you learn nothing doing that so I'd rather see the players at least try to retain possession and try to probe for openings.
That explains it perfectly too. It's a learning curve. :thumbsup:
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Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
He's trying to create that philosophy. Maybe he'll be away next season maybe he'll be here until he drops - either way it doesn't mean he should abandon what he has in mind for the club to evolve.

If/when he does go I'd imagine he'd be involved in the appointment process.
I appreciate that but in order to get better we need to pick up points at CL level. More points, means more money, better players etc.

I’m happy for us to have a go against lesser teams but he needs to fall on his sword and shut up shop against the top seeds. No shame in that
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Fact of the matter is;

We're lucky to have BR as our manager.

We're not so lucky to have parsimonious suits (btw, where was DD and his usual glib soundbite, during the recent Dunhill :ponder: ) who don't seem capable of closing on incoming transfer's and yet remain adept at cashing in on outgoing ones :brickwall:

Rodgers will know fine well, that had he been better backed in the last two windows, then we would likely have had two or three better players, in key positions last night, who would've given us a better chance of performing credibly, and, (who knows :rubeyes: ) maybe even scraping a result.

Now, Rome wasn't built in a day, but one has to worry about the corrosive effect that our suits reluctance to strengthen our first team, is having on the manager's morale.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:51 AM
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Exactly. One of those 11 will still make a mistake, because we're not good enough to not make mistakes. And against PSG or Bayern that's likely to result in a goal.
Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
So we just stop? Go back to Strachan and Lennon when the players couldn't string 4 passes together?

We can't have it every way, the expansive football which gets us victories in Anderlecht and leads to Domestic dominance can't just be switched off for a defensive line-up. This isn't american football.

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepincrease experience of playing in these games it will come with time.

I'm sorry there's no quick fix in modern football now. Ramming 11 at the back and hoping your goalie has one of those nights isn't any better. We will still get beat.

I think that's exactly it. If it's hammered into you that your first instinct is to keep your head up and look for a pass and not just hoof the ball up the park, then at some point you'll think "I managed it against Bayern Munich, so I'll definitely be doing it against Anderlecht". You might get pumped off Bayern and PSG but the manager is instilling the right way for individual players to approach the game. If we'd have packed the defence and blootered the ball up the park constantly, we might have lost 2-0 but you learn nothing doing that so I'd rather see the players at least try to retain possession and try to probe for openings.
That explains it perfectly too. It's a learning curve. :thumbsup:
Too many people mistaking being properly organised and assuming it means hoofing it aimlessly up the park. That’s not what people are saying- you can be organised and controlled.

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That explains it perfectly too. It's a learning curve. :thumbsup:
Too many people mistaking being properly organised and assuming it means hoofing it aimlessly up the park. That’s not what people are saying- you can be organised and controlled.

Very few teams in Europe can be organised and controlled against Bayern Munich.

We certainly aren't achieving that with Gordon, Gamboa, Lustig, Boyata and Tierney.
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Exactly. One of those 11 will still make a mistake, because we're not good enough to not make mistakes. And against PSG or Bayern that's likely to result in a goal.
Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
He's here for another 4 seasons and he wants to build something, he'll leave behind a philosophy for the club to follow.
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Do people really think Brendan will be here long enough to achieve this work in progress?

Different if we have a club philosophy like Ajax or Barca but we don’t.
So we just stop? Go back to Strachan and Lennon when the players couldn't string 4 passes together?

We can't have it every way, the expansive football which gets us victories in Anderlecht and leads to Domestic dominance can't just be switched off for a defensive line-up. This isn't american football.

Of course not, but you know your limitations when playing the big boys. You don’t go to places like Munich playing expansive with two wingers knowing you’re going to be on the back foot for most of the game whilst relying on attacking players to do a defensive job.

I’m just using last night as an example not having a go at the manager or the players. I’m delighted we are on course for third.

I just think he needs to be able to adapt when need be. No shame in that
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