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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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We’re always going to ride our luck when beating Barca, but we managed it with a LB at Rb and Charlie effin Mulgrew at LM. The key was we were organised with two banks of 4, never gave them a minutes peace and were ruthless with the chances that came our way.

If we’d played the preferred 4-3-1-2 we would have gotten horsed and Lennon was smart enough to realise that.
Barca had more shots on target that night than Bayern had tonight.
They hit the woodwork 3 more times than Bayern did tonight.

We were very, very lucky against Barca.

We were lucky but, as has already been pointed out, we played that incredible Barcelona team four times in a short period of time and three of the games were decided by one goal. Scotland played the German national team (featuring some of the Bayern players who destroyed us last night) twice in the last Euro qualifiers and lost by a single goal on both occasions. We’re always likely to lose against world class teams, but we shouldn’t have to watch from behind the sofa praying that the scoreline doesn’t get too embarrassing.
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19 Oct 2017, 08:28 AM
Sky last night had him leaving at Christmas "because he won't be happy playing Europa League and not Champions League. He'll be off to a club like Everton" :lol: That was Nicholas.

So there ye go, we won't have to put up with his European "naivety" or "arrogance" much longer.
I loved Charlie as a player but as a pundit he talks some amount of pish, talkingly.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with criticising BR if he gets it wrong - if it's done in an objective manner that takes into account the context of our place in the grand scheme of footballing things. It would have taken something extraordinary to get something from the game last night, regardless of how we setup, what players we had available or how much we had spent in the summer. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be making them earn the win and work for their goals. We didn't do much of that last night. That was the real disappointment.

Would I like us to be a bit more pragmatic about these games, a bit more compact and difficult to break down? Yeh, of course. But it's difficult to get players to play in that manner when it's only required a handful of times a season. And all the pragmatism and tactics in the world won't make the slightest difference when our players are losing their composure as soon as some sustained pressure is applied. That's the real problem we need to solve. Until we do we're on to a hiding from these teams every time we step on the park.
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Barca had more shots on target that night than Bayern had tonight.
They hit the woodwork 3 more times than Bayern did tonight.

We were very, very lucky against Barca.

We were lucky but, as has already been pointed out, we played that incredible Barcelona team four times in a short period of time and three of the games were decided by one goal. Scotland played the German national team (featuring some of the Bayern players who destroyed us last night) twice in the last Euro qualifiers and lost by a single goal on both occasions. We’re always likely to lose against world class teams, but we shouldn’t have to watch from behind the sofa praying that the scoreline doesn’t get too embarrassing.
In those three matches Forster made 30+ saves.
That's unsustainable.
The 6-1 defeat that followed was reality setting in.

That great German team doesn't have Robben or Lewandowski.
Apples and oranges.
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"Mauling"

Matthew Lindsay must have had a right good tug when typing that - you're clubs deid mate. :lolhuns:
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Absolutely nothing wrong with criticising BR if he gets it wrong - if it's done in an objective manner that takes into account the context of our place in the grand scheme of footballing things. It would have taken something extraordinary to get something from the game last night, regardless of how we setup, what players we had available or how much we had spent in the summer. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be making them earn the win and work for their goals. We didn't do much of that last night. That was the real disappointment.

Would I like us to be a bit more pragmatic about these games, a bit more compact and difficult to break down? Yeh, of course. But it's difficult to get players to play in that manner when it's only required a handful of times a season. And all the pragmatism and tactics in the world won't make the slightest difference when our players are losing their composure as soon as some sustained pressure is applied. That's the real problem we need to solve. Until we do we're on to a hiding from these teams every time we step on the park.
Good points. For me it doesn't matter how the side is set up if we can't string some passes together and just keep the ball for a bit.

Sustained pressure tends to lead to people making errors, players panicking and players making wrong decisions.

It's like the intensity levels really throw us off. We get thrown into the deep end without learning how to swim.
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19 Oct 2017, 08:39 AM
"Mauling"

Matthew Lindsay must have had a right good tug when typing that - you're clubs deid mate. :lolhuns:
Sutton said exactly the same thing during the commentary. "Mauling in Munich" from him, "Blown away in Bavaria" from McLean. Utter nonsense from both of them.
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moravcik67
19 Oct 2017, 08:35 AM
Absolutely nothing wrong with criticising BR if he gets it wrong - if it's done in an objective manner that takes into account the context of our place in the grand scheme of footballing things. It would have taken something extraordinary to get something from the game last night, regardless of how we setup, what players we had available or how much we had spent in the summer. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be making them earn the win and work for their goals. We didn't do much of that last night. That was the real disappointment.

Would I like us to be a bit more pragmatic about these games, a bit more compact and difficult to break down? Yeh, of course. But it's difficult to get players to play in that manner when it's only required a handful of times a season. And all the pragmatism and tactics in the world won't make the slightest difference when our players are losing their composure as soon as some sustained pressure is applied. That's the real problem we need to solve. Until we do we're on to a hiding from these teams every time we step on the park.
If Griffiths had the composure of Lewandowski he'd be as good as him. That's the obvious comparison, but it applies right throughout the squads. The lacking of composure is the main reason why we're not as good as them.

I'm not sure that's something that can be fixed by a manager. It's not as apparent as the ability to kick a ball, but it is part of the measure of a player's ability.

If we want better footballers who can compete with Bayern, we're going to need to sign/rear them. And if we want players with more composure against Bayern, we're going to need to sign/rear them too. I don't think you can train Lustig or Gamboa to concentrate for 90 minutes, and I don't honk you can train Griffiths not to get carried away when he has a chance. At this stage, they either have it or they don't. And if they had it at that level, they wouldn't still be playing for us.

It's why we get guys like Wanyama or Dembele for a couple of years at the start of their career. That's the only opportunity we have of getting players with both the ability and the composure.
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moravcik67
19 Oct 2017, 08:35 AM
Absolutely nothing wrong with criticising BR if he gets it wrong - if it's done in an objective manner that takes into account the context of our place in the grand scheme of footballing things. It would have taken something extraordinary to get something from the game last night, regardless of how we setup, what players we had available or how much we had spent in the summer. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be making them earn the win and work for their goals. We didn't do much of that last night. That was the real disappointment.

Would I like us to be a bit more pragmatic about these games, a bit more compact and difficult to break down? Yeh, of course. But it's difficult to get players to play in that manner when it's only required a handful of times a season. And all the pragmatism and tactics in the world won't make the slightest difference when our players are losing their composure as soon as some sustained pressure is applied. That's the real problem we need to solve. Until we do we're on to a hiding from these teams every time we step on the park.
As usual the voice of reason
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19 Oct 2017, 08:40 AM


Sustained pressure tends to lead to people making errors, players panicking and players making wrong decisions.

It's like the intensity levels really throw us off. We get thrown into the deep end without learning how to swim.
The truly great players retain composure and technique when under pressure.

We have good players-in the SPL we are given time to control and pass to team mates. From the kick off in CL games we are put under intense pressure by fitter better schooled players. Very quickly our abilities fall apart.

Before we know it we are 2 down.

Maybe we should concentrate in being very compact for 30 mins, get a foothold in the game and play from there.
Dont think BR wants to to do this though
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We were lucky but, as has already been pointed out, we played that incredible Barcelona team four times in a short period of time and three of the games were decided by one goal. Scotland played the German national team (featuring some of the Bayern players who destroyed us last night) twice in the last Euro qualifiers and lost by a single goal on both occasions. We’re always likely to lose against world class teams, but we shouldn’t have to watch from behind the sofa praying that the scoreline doesn’t get too embarrassing.
In those three matches Forster made 30+ saves.
That's unsustainable.
The 6-1 defeat that followed was reality setting in.

That great German team doesn't have Robben or Lewandowski.
Apples and oranges.
That’s fine and we’ll but if you look at the big results like Scotland, Greece, Iceland, Ireland have managed with limited players down the years the the one common denominator is hard work and organisation not bottle. Even SAF knew he couldn’t go toe to toe with Barca and adapted. Brendan points out the quality of these teams yet still believes in playing a specific way.
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In those three matches Forster made 30+ saves.
That's unsustainable.
The 6-1 defeat that followed was reality setting in.

That great German team doesn't have Robben or Lewandowski.
Apples and oranges.
That’s fine and we’ll but if you look at the big results like Scotland, Greece, Iceland, Ireland have managed with limited players down the years the the one common denominator is hard work and organisation not bottle. Even SAF knew he couldn’t go toe to toe with Barca and adapted. Brendan points out the quality of these teams yet still believes in playing a specific way.
SAF realised he couldn't go to toe with Barca, adapted, and still got pumped in 2 finals.

International football is of a much lower standard than elite club football.
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Ffs - some on here really need a reality check.
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19 Oct 2017, 12:48 AM
Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
So that's it then?

Just accept doing after doing because we canny compete with better teams?
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19 Oct 2017, 09:14 AM
Ffs - some on here really need a reality check.
Yes. A few people have said that.

What is your reality ?
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19 Oct 2017, 12:48 AM
Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
So that's it then?

Just accept doing after doing because we canny compete with better teams?
No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.

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Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
So that's it then?

Just accept doing after doing because we canny compete with better teams?
No, what we do is accept that any improvement will be slow and in small increments, and isn't going to be refelected through huge leaps forward in individual games against the best teams in the world.

We've improved from last year. Just because we got humped by Barca last year and got humped by PSG and Bayern this year doesn't mean we haven't improved.

A different tactical approach wouldn't have made Lustig or Gamboa fully focused for 90 minutes, or Griffiths more composed. There would still have been simple mistakes because that's what happens with average players at this level. We have better players, those players are more focused/composed, and we perform better. Whether that's Dembele and Jozo, or new guys we sign, that's how we progress.
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19 Oct 2017, 09:14 AM
Ffs - some on here really need a reality check.
Yes. A few people have said that.

What is your reality ?
I wasn’t on the board much after the game last night, so, sorry for posting what has been already said (stay out of the joke thread!)

Anyway, in answer to your question:

My reality is that we are just fodder for the CL elite.

We could do serious damage in the more competitive Europa League :thumbsup:
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19 Oct 2017, 09:26 AM
No. Look for long term improvement through player recruitment and increasing confidence in the way we play.

And accept that with football as it is. These are going to.come along regular.
How do we increase player confidence when every time we play a team better than us they skelp us without coming out of first gear?
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19 Oct 2017, 09:35 AM
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adbhoy
19 Oct 2017, 09:14 AM
Ffs - some on here really need a reality check.
Yes. A few people have said that.

What is your reality ?
I wasn’t on the board much after the game last night, so, sorry for posting what has been already said (stay out of the joke thread!)

Anyway, in answer to your question:

My reality is that we are just fodder for the CL elite.

We could do serious damage in the more competitive Europa League :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:

Maybe I'm being Idealistic, but I'm not yet prepared to accept that Celtic are nothing more than also rans for the mega rich. BR wants us to be a regular last 16 team. I believe we can achieve that.
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