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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,937 Views)
Celts88
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:cry: What a bunch of moaning gits most of you are
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19 Oct 2017, 12:54 AM
BR got it wrong, again, tonight.

He really is naive in Europe.

He appears to believe his players are better than they are.

All the pre-match talk about "playing our own game".

Is he mental?

We were playing one of the best sides in Europe, at their home ground.

Watched Spurs last night, who are a better side than us, sling five across the back against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.

Why would they do that, you wonder?

Because Pochettino is able to appreciate that he is playing a better side and adopts his tactics accordingly.

It isn't rocket science.

I could have told BR before that game that our only 'out' ball would be punts up the park.

In such circumstances perhaps it would be best to have a striker who possesses physical strength who might be able to hold the ball up against two giant centre-halves.

Or you can play Leigh Griffiths, up front on his own against two towering defenders.

Madness.

Accept your limitations and adopt your tactics accordingly.

5-4-1 against a good team.

Even 5-5-0.

Sit deep and don't leave huge gaps for the better team to exploit.

Make yourself hard to beat.

BR seems to believe we can go to Munich and beat Bayern.

As I say, madness.
1) We played 5 at the back in Barcelona. How did that work out for us? MON had us playing 5 at the back away to Porto, Rosenberg etc- those were great non-thrashings too.

2) Who would have been playing in our 5 man defence tonight?

3) 5-5-0. How does that system work?

Was he tactically naive when he got us our away draws in Germany and England last year, or our record CL away win last month?

Maybe calm down a bit before posting, eh?
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Honestly I must be watching different games from the guys on here who seem to think we played against PSG and Bayern by going gung ho :lol:
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macfleeto
19 Oct 2017, 01:16 AM
Honestly I must be watching different games from the guys on here who seem to think we played against PSG and Bayern by going gung ho :lol:
We didn't go gung ho. We just asked players to do tasks they clearly can't manage. Rodgers trusts the players. But he's maybe trusting them a bit too much. The work ethic required to pull off results against teams like Bayern just isn't there.
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macfleeto
19 Oct 2017, 01:16 AM
Honestly I must be watching different games from the guys on here who seem to think we played against PSG and Bayern by going gung ho :lol:
Agreed. We weren't gung ho by any measure. Our actual defending was just poor. If we were gung ho or Rodgers was too adventurous we'd have at least seen some support for Griffiths or Roberts whenever he went on a run. We played defensive. We just did it rather poorly.
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19 Oct 2017, 01:29 AM
macfleeto
19 Oct 2017, 01:16 AM
Honestly I must be watching different games from the guys on here who seem to think we played against PSG and Bayern by going gung ho :lol:
Agreed. We weren't gung ho by any measure. Our actual defending was just poor. If we were gung ho or Rodgers was too adventurous we'd have at least seen some support for Griffiths or Roberts whenever he went on a run. We played defensive. We just did it rather poorly.
Yup, every time we gave Roberts the ball against PSG and Bayern he was entirely on his own, left to run down a blind alley. Zero support, absolutely not pressing forward as a team to attack.

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19 Oct 2017, 12:54 AM
BR got it wrong, again, tonight.

He really is naive in Europe.

He appears to believe his players are better than they are.

All the pre-match talk about "playing our own game".

Is he mental?

We were playing one of the best sides in Europe, at their home ground.

Watched Spurs last night, who are a better side than us, sling five across the back against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.

Why would they do that, you wonder?

Because Pochettino is able to appreciate that he is playing a better side and adopts his tactics accordingly.

It isn't rocket science.

I could have told BR before that game that our only 'out' ball would be punts up the park.

In such circumstances perhaps it would be best to have a striker who possesses physical strength who might be able to hold the ball up against two giant centre-halves.

Or you can play Leigh Griffiths, up front on his own against two towering defenders.

Madness.

Accept your limitations and adopt your tactics accordingly.

5-4-1 against a good team.

Even 5-5-0.

Sit deep and don't leave huge gaps for the better team to exploit.

Make yourself hard to beat.

BR seems to believe we can go to Munich and beat Bayern.

As I say, madness.
Aye, we should get rid.

Chase yourself.
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Can't believe folk on here having a pop
Rodgers done his best with the players available , some folk need a reality check
It was Bayern we were playing :ffs:
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Brendan should get tips from a superior manager like craig levein on how we should play with no strikers
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Hiding to nothing in these games.

Still delighted he's our manager.

The so-called SuperClubs can and will,increasingly,pump anyone for fun.

Just surprised we aint seen more double figures scoring from some of them.

Ho hum.
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19 Oct 2017, 12:14 AM

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Notice that we make more of these basic errors against better teams?

Could be some sort of correlation :hmmm:
Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
Absolutely. :thumbsup:

The one result against Barcelona is the exception that proves the rule. As Flawless said, these results will happen very occasionally. But they're hardly the norm, and it's ridiculous to suggest that because we beat Barcelona in 2012 we should therefore not be shampooe against PSG and Bayern in 2017. Nor does a wee change of tactics close the chasm.

We're doing better than last season. We're slowly improving. At this level, with our resources, a slow improvement is the very best we can hope for.
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idyllwild
19 Oct 2017, 06:44 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 12:48 AM
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19 Oct 2017, 12:17 AM

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Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
Absolutely. :thumbsup:

The one result against Barcelona is the exception that proves the rule. As Flawless said, these results will happen very occasionally. But they're hardly the norm, and it's ridiculous to suggest that because we beat Barcelona in 2012 we should therefore not be shampooe against PSG and Bayern in 2017. Nor does a wee change of tactics close the chasm.

We're doing better than last season. We're slowly improving. At this level, with our resources, a slow improvement is the very best we can hope for.
Yup, exactly the same reason why in Scotland we know if we play to our best, the opposition won't be able to cope with it.

We also can't afford to have a separate bunch of defensively decent players that sit on the bench most weeks just for these games. You'd also be dropping Roberts and Sinclair for the biggest games of the season, which would make it harder to sell the club to decent players.

We just have to accept the level we're at and try to get that constant improvement going. You only need a bad appointment to knock you back down several levels though. The 2012 / 2017 comparison misses out the horror shows in between (Maribor, Molde, Rosenborg, Legia etc) - we've actually come a long way in a couple of years. Getting pumped by a different standard of team now. :lol: :cry:

Wins in qualifying and Anderlecht make up for it though.
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Really not disheartened like some others on here. Club are progressing well under a brilliant manager.
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19 Oct 2017, 07:49 AM
Really not disheartened like some others on here. Club are progressing well under a brilliant manager.
It's certainly not all doom and gloom.

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Brendan Rodgers defends tactics after Bayern Munich mauling and insists Celtic can still progress in Europe
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BRENDAN Rodgers last night defended his tactics after Celtic were beaten 3-0 by Bayern Munich in Germany and insisted they could still qualify for Europe after Christmas this season.

The Scottish champions conceded goals to Thomas Muller and Joshua Kimmich in the first half and Mats Hummels in the second half to crash to a heavy defeat in their third Group B game in the Allianz Arena.

Rodgers admitted he had been disappointed by this side's play at the back - but he denied he had played into the hands to Jupp Heynckes's team by refusing to take a more defensive approach to the game.


The Glasgow club are still in third place in their section after leaders Paris Saint-Germain thrashed Anderlecht 4-0 in Belgium and their manager remains confident they can at least progress to the last 32 of the Europa League.

“I was disappointed in the nature of the goals we conceded," he said. "They were poor goals from our perspective.

"But there was still a lot for us in the game, particularly in the second half in how we built the game from behind and tried to play how we like to work in order to create our chances.

"There is no denying we are playing against a top class side and we felt we could have done better with the goals we conceded and with some of our build-up play.”

Asked if he should have been more pragmatic, Rodgers replied: “I think we decide how we play. It’s not about being pragmatic at the goals we conceded. We didn’t defend our box well enough when the crosses came in. We can do better with those.

"But, listen, I would rather lose a game playing how we want to play and how we want to work rather than sitting in and defending for 90 minutes and still losing, if that’s the case.

"Myself, my staff and the players we had going into the game can take lots of positives and have lots to look forward to the second game against them at Celtic Park.

"You come away into these big arenas and big games and you want to show the level of your football. That won’t change. We will look to do that, rather than sitting in and suffering during every game."


Rodgers added: “You have to be a realist as well and respect who we are playing against. Of course, we want to be competitive at this level but you also have to measure the level of quality you are playing against.

"My players gave absolutely everything tonight. This is a really honest group of men, who have been absolutely amazing domestically and to qualify for this competition.

"It is huge ask for us. Progress for us is to be in Europe after Christmas and that is still our aim and still our focus.

"But of course in every game we play we want to give our best. And there was lots of tonight that I was pleased with. But of course the nature of the goals we conceded can be a lot better."

"For this group and this squad, it is about constructing a mindset and a way of working. It is not going to happen overnight. There are a lot of elements.

"It’s a constant thing, constant work and experience at this level. Coming to this stadium and playing against this level of opponent was always going to be difficult.

"But there was enough in this game for me to see and feel confidence that the players are improving. It is something we will hopefully develop over the course of these coming years."



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The simple fact was that defensively we were not good enough.

Too many times we were caught out, players not aware of who to cover or too slow in getting back.

We looked better going forward but were a mess defensively.

Should BR have bought another defender before the start of the season? Off course, and it's still a space that needs filled.
He mentioned that Ralston was just returning from injury, so it looks like he will be back in once fit. No pressure Tony.
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Two solid defensive players would make a huge difference to this team, not in terms of qualifying for the last 16 but in helping us look more composed and not liable to be on the receiving end of heavy defeats. When Rodgers was manager of Liverpool, he always seemed to be two good defenders away from having a strong team. I hope it’s not going to be a permanent Achilles heel for him.
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Sky last night had him leaving at Christmas "because he won't be happy playing Europa League and not Champions League. He'll be off to a club like Everton" :lol: That was Nicholas.

So there ye go, we won't have to put up with his European "naivety" or "arrogance" much longer.
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19 Oct 2017, 08:28 AM
Sky last night had him leaving at Christmas "because he won't be happy playing Europa League and not Champions League. He'll be off to a club like Everton" :lol: That was Nicholas.

So there ye go, we won't have to put up with his European "naivety" or "arrogance" much longer.
I loved Charlie as a player but as a pundit he talks some amount of pish, talkingly.
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