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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,938 Views)
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I'd rather we were a bit more ugly in how we set up but the manager wants to stick to our style, so be it. Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. I'd happily accept few hidings if it means European football after Xmas and a run in the Europa League.
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I actually think Rodgers done the right thing tonight. We were always going to ride our luck. If Lustig was at Rb and Jozo in the centre I don't think we concede the first. Leaving Sinclair and Roberts higher up looked like it caused a few issues for Bayern when we broke. Poor composure let us down when we did. And in general it let us down when we tried to build from the back.

This game was different from the PSG game. PSG had hype, momentum and a wow factor, Bayern have just sacked their manager and on the ropes. The dice was there to be rolled against them.
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His big mistake tonight was Gamboa, imo he should have kept Lustig where he was and stuck Ajer in a CH
Did you not see Lustig get roasted for pace with about a 5 yard head start? Him up against Coman wouldn't have been much better unless you gave him an axe with a really long handle to swing.
Arguably but hes more comfortable with his positioning at right back, its not like it would have changed the result but having Lustig at CH is always a guarenteed mare and Gamboa was pish.
Edited by MBhoy1888, 19 Oct 2017, 12:08 AM.
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Maybe not.

We've managed results against Bayern and Barca in the not so distant past.
The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

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The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Is that game forever going to be used as a barometer?


Didn't we also lose 6-1 away.

Edited by puroresu_boy, 19 Oct 2017, 12:15 AM.
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It's far too simplistic to just say, "he needs to play differently and be more pragmatic".
It's not a system or a formation that's our issue. It's basic errors that's shafting us time and time again.
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It's far too simplistic to just say, "he needs to play differently and be more pragmatic".
It's not a system or a formation that's our issue. It's basic errors that's shafting us time and time again.
Notice that we make more of these basic errors against better teams?

Could be some sort of correlation :hmmm:
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Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Is that game forever going to be used as a barometer?


Didn't we also lose 6-1 away.

Different season.

The away game in the same season was the Jordi Alba heartbreaker in injury time.
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Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Is that game forever going to be used as a barometer?


Didn't we also lose 6-1 away.

in a different campaign. played them 4 times. won once got pumped once and 2 close games with late winners for barca in the other 2
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Under MON we struggled away. We always struggle away.

There is no magic formation or system that changes that. Ultimately it's down to players and at this level more often than not we have vastly inferior players. Not just a few but one to eleven.
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Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Is that game forever going to be used as a barometer?


Didn't we also lose 6-1 away.

That was about good organisation and should be used as a barometer for what limited players can achieve through knowing your limitations.

The original point still stands.
Edited by Kingslim, 19 Oct 2017, 12:22 AM.
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Love much of what Brendan has done for us but he is kidding himself on if he thinks this is the way ahead in Europe.
It might be if we could afford to spend £100M+ on players but that is highly unlikely.
Same as most Scottish teams will get horsed by us, if they come and play a really open game, then we will continue to get horsed by teams that have better players than we do, should we keep playing such an open game!
Tonight was embarrassing, same as PSG and Barca away last season.
I can accept getting beaten by better teams but to surrender so abjectly on several occasions is unacceptable in my eyes!
Worst still there seems no recognition that things are going wrong or that his approach needs to change.
Some of the things he came away with after the came sounded as if he was watching a different game.
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The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Beating Barca that night was a fantastic result but we rode our luck big style.

We cannot use that result to beat ourselves up when we get a chasing against these top sides.

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For those who want us to be more defensive against these sides, what team would you put out?
I’ll go.

Spurs played 5-3-2 last night away to Real and came away with a draw that might have been a win. I know we’re not Spurs, but the set up is possible for us if we have everyone fit.

Gordon

Lustig, Simunovic, Boyata, Svietchenko, Tierney

Ntcham, Brown, McGregor

Sinclair

Dembele.

Of course we might still get beat, but it has to be worth experimenting with something different instead of shipping goals.
We lined up in a 5-3-2 against Barcelona and got pumped 7-0.

Besides, we only have 1 fit real centre half right now let alone 3.
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Barca were a better side when we beat them under Lennon and this side are better than Lennon’s team.

Beating Barca that night was a fantastic result but we rode our luck big style.

We cannot use that result to beat ourselves up when we get a chasing against these top sides.

We’re always going to ride our luck when beating Barca, but we managed it with a LB at Rb and Charlie effin Mulgrew at LM. The key was we were organised with two banks of 4, never gave them a minutes peace and were ruthless with the chances that came our way.

If we’d played the preferred 4-3-1-2 we would have gotten horsed and Lennon was smart enough to realise that.
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For those who want us to be more defensive against these sides, what team would you put out?
I’ll go.

Spurs played 5-3-2 last night away to Real and came away with a draw that might have been a win. I know we’re not Spurs, but the set up is possible for us if we have everyone fit.

Gordon

Lustig, Simunovic, Boyata, Svietchenko, Tierney

Ntcham, Brown, McGregor

Sinclair

Dembele.

Of course we might still get beat, but it has to be worth experimenting with something different instead of shipping goals.
Spurs have far better players than we do. It's unfair comparison.

We can't resemble any sort of shape when we constantly give it away. Bayern could always find gaps as we could never get into any kind of shape to press the ball and block passing lanes. We constantly were scrambling as we couldn't keep the ball.

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Beating Barca that night was a fantastic result but we rode our luck big style.

We cannot use that result to beat ourselves up when we get a chasing against these top sides.

We’re always going to ride our luck when beating Barca, but we managed it with a LB at Rb and Charlie effin Mulgrew at LM. The key was we were organised with two banks of 4, never gave them a minutes peace and were ruthless with the chances that came our way.

If we’d played the preferred 4-3-1-2 we would have gotten horsed and Lennon was smart enough to realise that.
We played a side who never went wide so packing the middle of the park allowing them to go wide was ok.

On another day with the possession they had we could of got hammered. It certainly was no blueprint as we weren't the only side who tried such a plan just they usually resulted in barca still hammering sides.
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Beating Barca that night was a fantastic result but we rode our luck big style.

We cannot use that result to beat ourselves up when we get a chasing against these top sides.

We’re always going to ride our luck when beating Barca, but we managed it with a LB at Rb and Charlie effin Mulgrew at LM. The key was we were organised with two banks of 4, never gave them a minutes peace and were ruthless with the chances that came our way.

If we’d played the preferred 4-3-1-2 we would have gotten horsed and Lennon was smart enough to realise that.
Barca had more shots on target that night than Bayern had tonight.
They hit the woodwork 3 more times than Bayern did tonight.

We were very, very lucky against Barca.

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It's far too simplistic to just say, "he needs to play differently and be more pragmatic".
It's not a system or a formation that's our issue. It's basic errors that's shafting us time and time again.
Notice that we make more of these basic errors against better teams?

Could be some sort of correlation :hmmm:
Exactly.

Non-elite tennis players get away with loose shots and sloppy footwork when they play other non-elite players.
When they progress through a tournament, and end up playing Nadal and Federer, their failings are exposed and punished.

They aren't doing things any differently from normal, but their standard play is no longer good enough.
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BR got it wrong, again, tonight.

He really is naive in Europe.

He appears to believe his players are better than they are.

All the pre-match talk about "playing our own game".

Is he mental?

We were playing one of the best sides in Europe, at their home ground.

Watched Spurs last night, who are a better side than us, sling five across the back against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.

Why would they do that, you wonder?

Because Pochettino is able to appreciate that he is playing a better side and adopts his tactics accordingly.

It isn't rocket science.

I could have told BR before that game that our only 'out' ball would be punts up the park.

In such circumstances perhaps it would be best to have a striker who possesses physical strength who might be able to hold the ball up against two giant centre-halves.

Or you can play Leigh Griffiths, up front on his own against two towering defenders.

Madness.

Accept your limitations and adopt your tactics accordingly.

5-4-1 against a good team.

Even 5-5-0.

Sit deep and don't leave huge gaps for the better team to exploit.

Make yourself hard to beat.

BR seems to believe we can go to Munich and beat Bayern.

As I say, madness.
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