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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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18 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
We played defensively in Barcelona. We had five at the back with two defensive midfielders and lost 7-0.
Gamboa thrown in from nowhere, and we missed a penalty at 1-0. Could easily have been 7-1.
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18 Oct 2017, 10:49 PM
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18 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
We played defensively in Barcelona. We had five at the back with two defensive midfielders and lost 7-0.
Gamboa thrown in from nowhere, and we missed a penalty at 1-0. Could easily have been 7-1.
At least Gamboa has come on leaps and bounds since then. Every cloud.
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18 Oct 2017, 10:39 PM
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Fair enough but his way wont work in anyway at all against the big teams and has yet to work.

If he keeps the same up we are gonna get beating after beating.
2 draws against City and a 3-0 win away to Anderlecht.

His tactics will work occasionally, unless you're talking only about PSG, Barca, Bayern. And I hate to break it to you, but they'll hump us no matter what BR does.
Maybe not.

We've managed results against Bayern and Barca in the not so distant past.
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18 Oct 2017, 10:47 PM
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18 Oct 2017, 10:42 PM
For those who want us to be more defensive against these sides, what team would you put out?
I’ll go.

Spurs played 5-3-2 last night away to Real and came away with a draw that might have been a win. I know we’re not Spurs, but the set up is possible for us if we have everyone fit.

Gordon

Lustig, Simunovic, Boyata, Svietchenko, Tierney

Ntcham, Brown, McGregor

Sinclair

Dembele.

Of course we might still get beat, but it has to be worth experimenting with something different instead of shipping goals.
Perhaps I've been scarred by the Barca humping but I can't see us getting out our own half with that formation.

A factor in Spurs "success" last night was getting the ball out to Eriksen and Sissoko, in wide areas, that got them up the park and took the pressure off. It also led to a couple of good chances.

Personally, I don't think we have the personnel to park the bus, regardless of the formation we play. I think we would need to spend a few bob on defensive players to have a chance of stopping the likes of PSG, Bayern etc. Plenty of domestic sides try it against them every other week and still get pumped.
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18 Oct 2017, 10:59 PM
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For those who want us to be more defensive against these sides, what team would you put out?
I’ll go.

Spurs played 5-3-2 last night away to Real and came away with a draw that might have been a win. I know we’re not Spurs, but the set up is possible for us if we have everyone fit.

Gordon

Lustig, Simunovic, Boyata, Svietchenko, Tierney

Ntcham, Brown, McGregor

Sinclair

Dembele.

Of course we might still get beat, but it has to be worth experimenting with something different instead of shipping goals.
Perhaps I've been scarred by the Barca humping but I can't see us getting out our own half with that formation.

A factor in Spurs "success" last night was getting the ball out to Eriksen and Sissoko, in wide areas, that got them up the park and took the pressure off. It also led to a couple of good chances. I don't see how we'd get out playing that formation.

Personally, I don't think we have the personnel to park the bus, regardless of the formation we play. I think we would need to spend a few bob on defensive players to have a chance of stopping the likes of PSG, Bayern etc. Plenty of domestic sides try it against them every other week and still get pumped.
I actually agree that we don’t have the personnel right now to do it successfully, but you get the idea. :thumbsup:
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Even not splitting the centre halfs and pushing the full backs up when Gordon got the ball might have made it not quite so hairy as it was sometimes. All that happened was a poor kick out or a poor touch game them the ball and a gaping hole to use it in.

It's like sending Ken Buchanan in with Ali and telling him to use his jab, a bit of pragmatism needed.

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What's the point having a style of play, to abandon it just so we get beat 2-0 instead of 6-0. This is about building a future for Celtic. Yes we have to be flexible but if we keep reverting to the tactics teams adopt against us domestically we will never improve in Europe. There's a chance we will finish this season with Ntcham and Kouassi as regulars, throw in Dembele and Sinclair and that's four players added to the team Deila left. One or two additions of quality in the next two transfer windows and perhaps we will start to see a team that can push beyond the group stages. That snd a effing decent group. In reality 4 of the six teams we have faced in these last two campaigns are or will be last 8 or semi final regulars in the CL.
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18 Oct 2017, 11:14 PM
What's the point having a style of play, to abandon it just so we get beat 2-0 instead of 6-0. This is about building a future for Celtic. Yes we have to be flexible but if we keep reverting to the tactics teams adopt against us domestically we will never improve in Europe. There's a chance we will finish this season with Ntcham and Kouassi as regulars, throw in Dembele and Sinclair and that's four players added to the team Deila left. One or two additions of quality in the next two transfer windows and perhaps we will start to see a team that can push beyond the group stages. That snd a effing decent group. In reality 4 of the six teams we have faced in these last two campaigns are or will be last 8 or semi final regulars in the CL.
Seriously?
At 2-0 your a set piece header or a 25 yarder away from being back in the game. At 5-0 you're effed. Totally effed.

If you're not going to give yourself a fighting chance what's the point? Be as well playing the kids.
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What's the point having a style of play, to abandon it just so we get beat 2-0 instead of 6-0. This is about building a future for Celtic. Yes we have to be flexible but if we keep reverting to the tactics teams adopt against us domestically we will never improve in Europe. There's a chance we will finish this season with Ntcham and Kouassi as regulars, throw in Dembele and Sinclair and that's four players added to the team Deila left. One or two additions of quality in the next two transfer windows and perhaps we will start to see a team that can push beyond the group stages. That snd a effing decent group. In reality 4 of the six teams we have faced in these last two campaigns are or will be last 8 or semi final regulars in the CL.
Seriously?
At 2-0 your a set piece header or a 25 yarder away from being back in the game. At 5-0 you're effed. Totally effed.

If you're not going to give yourself a fighting chance what's the point? Be as well playing the kids.
Sure we will get the odd decent result but if we play ultra defensively in Europe contrary to our normal gameplan we arent coming back from 2-0 down against Bayern. Its about progression not just hoping we have a very good day and they have an off day.
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18 Oct 2017, 11:32 PM
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18 Oct 2017, 11:25 PM
pieol
18 Oct 2017, 11:14 PM
What's the point having a style of play, to abandon it just so we get beat 2-0 instead of 6-0. This is about building a future for Celtic. Yes we have to be flexible but if we keep reverting to the tactics teams adopt against us domestically we will never improve in Europe. There's a chance we will finish this season with Ntcham and Kouassi as regulars, throw in Dembele and Sinclair and that's four players added to the team Deila left. One or two additions of quality in the next two transfer windows and perhaps we will start to see a team that can push beyond the group stages. That snd a effing decent group. In reality 4 of the six teams we have faced in these last two campaigns are or will be last 8 or semi final regulars in the CL.
Seriously?
At 2-0 your a set piece header or a 25 yarder away from being back in the game. At 5-0 you're effed. Totally effed.

If you're not going to give yourself a fighting chance what's the point? Be as well playing the kids.
Sure we will get the odd decent result but if we play ultra defensively in Europe contrary to our normal gameplan we arent coming back from 2-0 down against Bayern. Its about progression not just hoping we have a very good day and they have an off day.
I think the idea is to play a wee bit more defensively, so we aren't 2-0 down and game over before we even know where we are.
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18 Oct 2017, 10:58 PM
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18 Oct 2017, 10:43 PM
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18 Oct 2017, 10:39 PM

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2 draws against City and a 3-0 win away to Anderlecht.

His tactics will work occasionally, unless you're talking only about PSG, Barca, Bayern. And I hate to break it to you, but they'll hump us no matter what BR does.
Maybe not.

We've managed results against Bayern and Barca in the not so distant past.
The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
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Maybe not.

We've managed results against Bayern and Barca in the not so distant past.
The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
It wasn't so long ago folk were saying this Celtic side was the best since MON's.

The Barcelona side Lennon managed to beat was also heralded as the best side ever. With yer best pal playing for us too. ;)
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The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
It wasn't so long ago folk were saying this Celtic side was the best since MON's.

The Barcelona side Lennon managed to beat was also heralded as the best side ever. With yer best pal playing for us too. ;)
They were. It was an astounding defensive display in which we still relied on Forster making numerous great saves. A great result, but a complete anomaly. We then got horsed 5-0 on aggregate by Juventus.
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Maybe not.

We've managed results against Bayern and Barca in the not so distant past.
The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
Poorer teams than us have got results against Bayern and Barcelona within the past season. They’re still beatable with the right set of circumstances and a slice of luck. But when you’re 2-0 down and out the game before you’ve even warmed up properly, you’ve no chance.
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The gap between the sides has moved on significantly since then.

Time for a bit of realism.
It wasn't so long ago folk were saying this Celtic side was the best since MON's.

The Barcelona side Lennon managed to beat was also heralded as the best side ever. With yer best pal playing for us too. ;)
And we'll get another astounding result like that in the future. These are anomaly results. It's sport, it happens.

But until then, if we're in the CL and happy to be, we have to accept that getting thumped is part of it and will increasingly be a part of it when the gap has widened as much as it has.



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It wasn't so long ago folk were saying this Celtic side was the best since MON's.

The Barcelona side Lennon managed to beat was also heralded as the best side ever. With yer best pal playing for us too. ;)
And we'll get another astounding result like that in the future. These are anomaly results. It's sport, it happens.

But until then, if we're in the CL and happy to be, we have to accept that getting thumped is part of it and will increasingly be a part of it when the gap has widened as much as it has.



I get that.

But it's not unrealistic to expect the manager - one as good as Rodgers - to alter the style of play to at least give us a fighting chance of a point away from home.
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His big mistake tonight was Gamboa, imo he should have kept Lustig where he was and stuck Ajer in a CH
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His big mistake tonight was Gamboa, imo he should have kept Lustig where he was and stuck Ajer in a CH
Did you not see Lustig get roasted for pace with about a 5 yard head start? Him up against Coman wouldn't have been much better unless you gave him an axe with a really long handle to swing.
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And we'll get another astounding result like that in the future. These are anomaly results. It's sport, it happens.

But until then, if we're in the CL and happy to be, we have to accept that getting thumped is part of it and will increasingly be a part of it when the gap has widened as much as it has.



I get that.

But it's not unrealistic to expect the manager - one as good as Rodgers - to alter the style of play to at least give us a fighting chance of a point away from home.
The style of play got us there. And has got us results away in Europe already in his tenure.

We don't have the players to do what you want us to do. He's done the 5 at the back and we got horsed. He put Armstrong in tonight for legs and we got horsed.

I'd love us to get all stuffy and try and pinch a 0-0 . Realistically we'd still lose 2-0 and the same folk would be on wailing about how we didn't have a go.
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Rodgers is so niave in Europe, even arrogant to an extent, needs to think more about how the opposition play rather than how he thinks we could play
Edited by kevybhoy73, 19 Oct 2017, 12:05 AM.
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