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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,956 Views)
lepetitmerde
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We can talk about formations until we sick and tired of it but the facts are at that level we can't compete. I would go as far to say it is impossible for us to compete at that level anymore and we won't compete for years to come. Every so often the starts will align to allow us to get a credible result against the mega rich but it won't be very often.

Psg won't be a 1 off in this group. We could possible concede more than 20 goals in these 6 games but that's not a critism it's a realistic view on how football has moved on.

Our level is Europa league. 4 points from anderlecht will do it. Imo Brendan and his coaching team should be judged on anderlecht games and the qualifiers. Then if we are foruntate enough what we do in the Europa.
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lepetitmerde
14 Sep 2017, 09:57 AM
We can talk about formations until we sick and tired of it but the facts are at that level we can't compete. I would go as far to say it is impossible for us to compete at that level anymore and we won't compete for years to come. Every so often the starts will align to allow us to get a credible result against the mega rich but it won't be very often.

Psg won't be a 1 off in this group. We could possible concede more than 20 goals in these 6 games but that's not a critism it's a realistic view on how football has moved on.

Our level is Europa league. 4 points from anderlecht will do it. Imo Brendan and his coaching team should be judged on anderlecht games and the qualifiers. Then if we are foruntate enough what we do in the Europa.
See what you're saying but I'd say it's not impossible, just extremely difficult. Had we drawn a group of Spartak Moscow, Porto and Olympiakos/Basel I think we can reasonably compete there. We've had some incredibly tough draws the past two seasons which hasn't helped us at all.

The Anderlecht game away is where BR needs to show that the other night was a bad night against a brilliant side.
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14 Sep 2017, 10:02 AM
lepetitmerde
14 Sep 2017, 09:57 AM
We can talk about formations until we sick and tired of it but the facts are at that level we can't compete. I would go as far to say it is impossible for us to compete at that level anymore and we won't compete for years to come. Every so often the starts will align to allow us to get a credible result against the mega rich but it won't be very often.

Psg won't be a 1 off in this group. We could possible concede more than 20 goals in these 6 games but that's not a critism it's a realistic view on how football has moved on.

Our level is Europa league. 4 points from anderlecht will do it. Imo Brendan and his coaching team should be judged on anderlecht games and the qualifiers. Then if we are foruntate enough what we do in the Europa.
See what you're saying but I'd say it's not impossible, just extremely difficult. Had we drawn a group of Spartak Moscow, Porto and Olympiakos/Basel I think we can reasonably compete there. We've had some incredibly tough draws the past two seasons which hasn't helped us at all.

The Anderlecht game away is where BR needs to show that the other night was a bad night against a brilliant side.
By that level I meant psg and Bayerns level. Your basels, portos etc are teams we can be competing with and should expect to compete with.
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lepetitmerde
14 Sep 2017, 10:06 AM
BardseyCelt
14 Sep 2017, 10:02 AM
lepetitmerde
14 Sep 2017, 09:57 AM
We can talk about formations until we sick and tired of it but the facts are at that level we can't compete. I would go as far to say it is impossible for us to compete at that level anymore and we won't compete for years to come. Every so often the starts will align to allow us to get a credible result against the mega rich but it won't be very often.

Psg won't be a 1 off in this group. We could possible concede more than 20 goals in these 6 games but that's not a critism it's a realistic view on how football has moved on.

Our level is Europa league. 4 points from anderlecht will do it. Imo Brendan and his coaching team should be judged on anderlecht games and the qualifiers. Then if we are foruntate enough what we do in the Europa.
See what you're saying but I'd say it's not impossible, just extremely difficult. Had we drawn a group of Spartak Moscow, Porto and Olympiakos/Basel I think we can reasonably compete there. We've had some incredibly tough draws the past two seasons which hasn't helped us at all.

The Anderlecht game away is where BR needs to show that the other night was a bad night against a brilliant side.
By that level I meant psg and Bayerns level. Your basels, portos etc are teams we can be competing with and should expect to compete with.
Right sorry, got you. Thought you were referring to CL in general.
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13 Sep 2017, 04:53 PM
Bit of a myth that he isn`t adaptable, he`s shown that plenty of times including after last seasons first game CL hosing. He has improved almost all of our players but he can`t take most of them up 3 or 4 levels to the level that world class players operate at. He knows we need to be better than the sum of our parts to get anywhere near these guys.

He simply didn`t have the personnel to play a better game defensively last night, whether that`s through his own fault or the boards is speculation.
He will find it very difficult to judge his own players abilities in the SPL and only finds out true potential in these games. Stuart Amstrong, one good half against Inter apart has failed to shine at European level so far. Grifftiths work rate is tremendous and his appetite for the game can`t be questioned but he is short of quality at group CL level. You could go right through the squad and say the same about others.

Lenny and WGS had more defensive minded players in their squads, as has been pointed out previously we don`t have quality of Wanyama, Forster or even Ledley who knew how to fill gaps.

There`s players in the squad to come back who will make us more competitive, but we`re a club buying potential and trying to develop that potential and will take a few bloody noses along the way.
:thumbsup:

Also strange that some posters are saying he should have been more pragmatic but yet think we shouldn't have stood off PSG as much t'other night :ponder:
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14 Sep 2017, 09:56 AM
I miss loving him. Is it too soon to stop the "spoilt brat that knows football management" phase.

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'There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes.'
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Don’t know if the managers fault but the lack of 2 recognised CH’s on Tuesday was for me was embarrassing. Premier European comp. and us sending in a young 18 yo to start. Albeit he did okay at times. Club our size needs to do better than that.

Why we did not get anyone in even on loan is a major mistake. The result & performance was poor but we got Toure last year and he did a job. You cannot tell me all over Europe there was no one on loan to be had nor a player on our list who could have been signed.

Poor stuff. My worry is that if the board did not sanction the gaffer to get someone he becomes disillusioned. He WOULD have had targets and whether club did all they could to get them I simply would/do not know.

Disappointing stuff. The gaffer will get the players up for it and he will get them going again. Anderlecht games are vital. 4 points and happy days.

That’s what he is all about.
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I think he made big mistakes in terms of selection and tactics. PSG will hurt you down the flanks and we played an 18 year old at right back who is nowhere near good enough yet and two wingers who would offer little or no support. We should have defensively loaded the wings and played Rogic to hold onto the ball and to bring Griffiths into it. We had nothing near Griffiths despite being wide open down the flanks.
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14 Sep 2017, 01:38 PM
Don’t know if the managers fault but the lack of 2 recognised CH’s on Tuesday was for me was embarrassing. Premier European comp. and us sending in a young 18 yo to start. Albeit he did okay at times. Club our size needs to do better than that.

Why we did not get anyone in even on loan is a major mistake. The result & performance was poor but we got Toure last year and he did a job. You cannot tell me all over Europe there was no one on loan to be had nor a player on our list who could have been signed.

Poor stuff. My worry is that if the board did not sanction the gaffer to get someone he becomes disillusioned. He WOULD have had targets and whether club did all they could to get them I simply would/do not know.

Disappointing stuff. The gaffer will get the players up for it and he will get them going again. Anderlecht games are vital. 4 points and happy days.

That’s what he is all about.
Kolo didn't do too much of a job against BMG did he?

Who knows what would have happened. Yeah I'm disappointed we didnt get a CB but if it's a choice between waiting getting one we want, accepting the PSG game as a gimme, or rushing to get one BR doesn't want then getting thumped anyway...I think I'd choose the former.
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Bits from his PC today courtesy of Twitter.

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"It was a humbling experience for the players the other night. You are playing against that level of team with that level of quality."

"I seen my two young full-backs playing against Mbappe and Neymar. I thought they did exceptionally well."

"For our @CelticFCAcademy boys to play up against them, hold their own and do so well, I was very pleased."

"Overall we’ll learn from it, we’ll be better from it and it’s going to make the players even better players."

"For #CelticFC to qualify to the #UCL is huge in many ways, but that can't be seen just to be the success."

"It shouldn't just be a celebration us qualifying. That can’t be it and it won’t be."

"The players are very honest in defeat and when they win they are very humble. That’s always the mark of a real good group."

BR on Callum McGregor's new contract: "Great news. He’s a player that I really admire and he's a real valuable player to our squad."

BR on @RCFCStaggies: "It will be a difficult game. We've started well in the #SPFL and we want that to continue."

BR on @MDembele_10: "Moussa looks good. He’s been training now for a few weeks. He’ll be in the squad."

BR on Dedryck Boyata: "We’ll assess over the next 24 hours whether he’s going to be available or not."



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BardseyCelt
14 Sep 2017, 01:48 PM
littlegmbhoy
14 Sep 2017, 01:38 PM
Don’t know if the managers fault but the lack of 2 recognised CH’s on Tuesday was for me was embarrassing. Premier European comp. and us sending in a young 18 yo to start. Albeit he did okay at times. Club our size needs to do better than that.

Why we did not get anyone in even on loan is a major mistake. The result & performance was poor but we got Toure last year and he did a job. You cannot tell me all over Europe there was no one on loan to be had nor a player on our list who could have been signed.

Poor stuff. My worry is that if the board did not sanction the gaffer to get someone he becomes disillusioned. He WOULD have had targets and whether club did all they could to get them I simply would/do not know.

Disappointing stuff. The gaffer will get the players up for it and he will get them going again. Anderlecht games are vital. 4 points and happy days.

That’s what he is all about.
Kolo didn't do too much of a job against BMG did he?

Who knows what would have happened. Yeah I'm disappointed we didnt get a CB but if it's a choice between waiting getting one we want, accepting the PSG game as a gimme, or rushing to get one BR doesn't want then getting thumped anyway...I think I'd choose the former.
Kolo esque. There must have been someone we could have got in. There is quality out there that would have fit the remit pretty sure so something happened that we could not get a other CH in. Whether that was lack of targets pr Lawwell not getting deals over the line. The gaffer is pretty astute and has a clear vision so outsider looking in more likely the latter.

Again we do not know exactly what went on on going for a CH out with South African guys failed medical but a club our size in that competition should have had a CH.

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14 Sep 2017, 03:48 PM


"For #CelticFC to qualify to the #UCL is huge in many ways, but that can't be seen just to be the success."

"It shouldn't just be a celebration us qualifying. That can’t be it and it won’t be."



This is key for me and I'm delighted to see him say it.

Had loads of disagreements since Tuesday night with people claiming we can't compete and just getting there is a success for us.
It's not. As a club we can't believe that.

We have to aim for better and I'm pleased Brendan has mentioned this today.
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Brendan Press Conference: https://vimeo.com/233849971

Callum McGregor: https://streamable.com/tqm73
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14 Sep 2017, 01:38 PM
Don’t know if the managers fault but the lack of 2 recognised CH’s on Tuesday was for me was embarrassing. Premier European comp. and us sending in a young 18 yo to start. Albeit he did okay at times. Club our size needs to do better than that.

Why we did not get anyone in even on loan is a major mistake. The result & performance was poor but we got Toure last year and he did a job. You cannot tell me all over Europe there was no one on loan to be had nor a player on our list who could have been signed.

Poor stuff. My worry is that if the board did not sanction the gaffer to get someone he becomes disillusioned. He WOULD have had targets and whether club did all they could to get them I simply would/do not know.

Disappointing stuff. The gaffer will get the players up for it and he will get them going again. Anderlecht games are vital. 4 points and happy days.

That’s what he is all about.
The South African failed a medical, Denayer had already promised to go back to Turkey and Jagielka's wages stopped that one dead.

I don't think there is any doubt we tried to get a CH in, however for various reasons it never happened.


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14 Sep 2017, 04:11 PM
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14 Sep 2017, 03:48 PM


"For #CelticFC to qualify to the #UCL is huge in many ways, but that can't be seen just to be the success."

"It shouldn't just be a celebration us qualifying. That can’t be it and it won’t be."



This is key for me and I'm delighted to see him say it.

Had loads of disagreements since Tuesday night with people claiming we can't compete and just getting there is a success for us.
It's not. As a club we can't believe that.

We have to aim for better and I'm pleased Brendan has mentioned this today.
Has he ever even hinted at anything else ? :lol:

Glad you've got your reassurance though.
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I notice he also said he expects us to compete with these teams and said the biggest issue was the mentality.

Good.
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14 Sep 2017, 04:11 PM
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14 Sep 2017, 03:48 PM


"For #CelticFC to qualify to the #UCL is huge in many ways, but that can't be seen just to be the success."

"It shouldn't just be a celebration us qualifying. That can’t be it and it won’t be."



This is key for me and I'm delighted to see him say it.

Had loads of disagreements since Tuesday night with people claiming we can't compete and just getting there is a success for us.
It's not. As a club we can't believe that.

We have to aim for better and I'm pleased Brendan has mentioned this today.
Yep.

Delighted we've a manager that's not 'just happy to be involved'.
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14 Sep 2017, 04:11 PM
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14 Sep 2017, 03:48 PM


"For #CelticFC to qualify to the #UCL is huge in many ways, but that can't be seen just to be the success."

"It shouldn't just be a celebration us qualifying. That can’t be it and it won’t be."



This is key for me and I'm delighted to see him say it.

Had loads of disagreements since Tuesday night with people claiming we can't compete and just getting there is a success for us.
It's not. As a club we can't believe that.

We have to aim for better and I'm pleased Brendan has mentioned this today.
Maybe reading too much in to it but i thought it was maybe a sly dig at the board too :ponder:

Anyways, I just hope we match the mans ambition within reason obviously.
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14 Sep 2017, 05:08 PM
Brendan Press Conference: https://vimeo.com/233849971

Callum McGregor: https://streamable.com/tqm73
Link no work for BR's PC. :(
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13 Sep 2017, 09:49 PM
Of course Brendan must shoulder a lot of the blame, for the first half showing especially. He needs to show more pragmatism, even at Celtic Park.
No pragmatists on our team on on the celtic team.

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