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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,958 Views)
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13 Sep 2017, 06:13 PM
The played like "under 12s" comment doesn't sit well with me.
Got the impression he felt he'd been giving a showing up
It was a fair comment and he was given a showing up. :lol:
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13 Sep 2017, 06:31 PM
He was 100% correct in his aftermath assessment of the game. We did play like a bunch of scared under12's. First half. Improved in the 2nd, that was more to psg taking the foot off the gas. Not Brendan could do to stop that last night . On that form, psg will hammer many a stronger team than us. We were watching this years champions league winners imo
He should shoulder some blame for that set up last night.

Going by that logic you must want him sacked ?
Eh?
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Of course Brendan must shoulder a lot of the blame, for the first half showing especially. He needs to show more pragmatism, even at Celtic Park.
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13 Sep 2017, 09:49 PM
Of course Brendan must shoulder a lot of the blame, for the first half showing especially. He needs to show more pragmatism, even at Celtic Park.
Playing three holding players in the midfield was a sign of pragmatism, IMO. Paradoxically, that's what caused us problems in the first half. The second half was a bit better because Rogic was in there and more willing to show for the ball.

I think he's shown plenty of tactical flexibility during his time here. He's played three at the back when we've been short of central defenders and isn't shy to make a substitution if needed - Izzy against Motherwell last season, for example. There were issues with the tactical approach last night but that doesn't account for the passivity the players showed throughout most of the game.
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Of course Brendan must shoulder a lot of the blame, for the first half showing especially. He needs to show more pragmatism, even at Celtic Park.
Playing three holding players in the midfield was a sign of pragmatism, IMO. Paradoxically, that's what caused us problems in the first half. The second half was a bit better because Rogic was in there and more willing to show for the ball.

I think he's shown plenty of tactical flexibility during his time here. He's played three at the back when we've been short of central defenders and isn't shy to make a substitution if needed - Izzy against Motherwell last season, for example. There were issues with the tactical approach last night but that doesn't account for the passivity the players showed throughout most of the game.
It's not just about defending, it's the whole game plan.

We play the ball out from the keeper and play it around the defence endlessly, it's fine in the SPL but we are never going to impose our own game on PSG. All we did last night was make it easy for the opposition. Our recent big results in Europe haven't, on the whole, been about going out and "being brave" and playing our own game with confidence. They were smash and grab, being hard to beat and punishing opposition mistakes. Brendan's teams are never going to be able to capitalise on mistakes the way we did through the like of Watt's goal against Barca or JVOH at Old Trafford.
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Going by that logic you must want him sacked ?
Eh?
From earlier today. A bizarre tangent Tim Waits went off on.
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Genuinely think folk watch different games of football from me at times.

We got tanned last night because a) they are an outstanding side and b) we stood off them and sat so deep/shat it to press.

Absolutely bugger all with needing to be more pragmatic. We didn't get beat last night because we were set up to have a go.
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13 Sep 2017, 01:43 PM
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13 Sep 2017, 01:06 PM
Didn't see the game due to work, so relying on on KDS for insight (I know, I know...).

Given the personnel available to us last night, any suggestions for how we should have set up to give ourselves a better chance?
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Ralston Lustig Jozo Bitton Tierney
Roberts Ntcham Brown Sinclair
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I'd start with that v Bayern and PSG H&A from here on in, replacing LG with MD if fit and I'd replace Bitton with Boyata/Sviatchenko depending on who's in form

Block the spaces between our centre and full backs, force them to play through the middle of us. We'd probably still get horsed and it would be just as ugly as last night. I'd rather have a go and get pumped than sit back and take a tanking.
That's the line-up I'd probably have gone for too – with the benefit of hindsight. And how I'd set up in the remaining games against PSG and BM.

The wingers would still have a lot to do defensively and would also be key to hitting fast on the break, so it could be argued that Forest would be better suited than Roberts in that respect.

Would much prefer to play a more attacking formation, but we have to make ourselves harder to beat when we step up to this level.
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Ponder Stibbons
13 Sep 2017, 01:43 PM
van Doesburg
13 Sep 2017, 01:06 PM
Didn't see the game due to work, so relying on on KDS for insight (I know, I know...).

Given the personnel available to us last night, any suggestions for how we should have set up to give ourselves a better chance?
Gordon
Ralston Lustig Jozo Bitton Tierney
Roberts Ntcham Brown Sinclair
Griffiths

I'd start with that v Bayern and PSG H&A from here on in, replacing LG with MD if fit and I'd replace Bitton with Boyata/Sviatchenko depending on who's in form

Block the spaces between our centre and full backs, force them to play through the middle of us. We'd probably still get horsed and it would be just as ugly as last night. I'd rather have a go and get pumped than sit back and take a tanking.
That's the line-up I'd probably have gone for too – with the benefit of hindsight. And how I'd set up in the remaining games against PSG and BM.

The wingers would still have a lot to do defensively and would also be key to hitting fast on the break, so it could be argued that Forest would be better suited than Roberts in that respect.

Would much prefer to play a more attacking formation, but we have to make ourselves harder to beat when we step up to this level.
We played 5 at the back against Barca last year, and lost 7 goals.

Sticking an extra body in midfield might be the way to go, but not Bitton as an additional CB.
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13 Sep 2017, 01:43 PM

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That's the line-up I'd probably have gone for too – with the benefit of hindsight. And how I'd set up in the remaining games against PSG and BM.

The wingers would still have a lot to do defensively and would also be key to hitting fast on the break, so it could be argued that Forest would be better suited than Roberts in that respect.

Would much prefer to play a more attacking formation, but we have to make ourselves harder to beat when we step up to this level.
We played 5 at the back against Barca last year, and lost 7 goals.

Sticking an extra body in midfield might be the way to go, but not Bitton as an additional CB.
Barca's a different kettle of fish, though. They play through the middle. It might have been more effective to play a formation that forced them to play out wide.

PSG make more use of the wings. The set-up the previous poster suggested is about blocking the wings and making them come into the middle.

Not saying it would have worked, of course. :lol:

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Brendan is a wonderful manager but not infallible. He got the set up wrong and being realistic, he needs to throw his football ethos out the window on a few occasions.

In recent years, the only way we have got results against teams of PSG level is to get men behind the ball and keep the team shape, not go chasing shadows and getting pulled all over the place.

He went toe to toe with Man City and we pulled off a 3-3 draw. This PSG side would have eaten up that Man City team.

It's amazing to see even wonderfully talented footballers start to lose it when they come up against a brick wall and an hour has passed with no success.

Mourinho is a master at it. I would hate to be a supporter of any team he manages but he sure knows how to get a result against superior teams.
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I understand where the points about showing more pragmatism are coming from, but I'm not necessarily sure that would have spared us on Tuesday night.

If anything I though he was a little more pragmatic in the way he set up anyway, obviously without going to the extent of playing with a 4-6-0 or something like that.

And if BR got a showing up then he should say so and hold his hands up, not accuse players of playing like u-12s if the problem was himself. Maybe he believes the issue wasn't the set up, but the execution by the players themselves? And PSGs defending suggested that they were fully briefed on how we would try to attack.

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Brendan doesn't have much experience of European football so he is learning as we go, if he had a good record in Europe he wouldn't be with us (imo), that result will be hurting him and the fact he has broken an unwanted record for our heaviest home defeat will be pissing him off big time.

Was he to blame ? yes because he set the tactics and chose the team and he didn't buy what was needed in the transfer window but was that farce down to him or lawell ?

I actually think a run in the Europa league would be better for us playing wise, we would be amongst teams more at our level, the money is nowhere near as good but for the teams confidence and gaining experience i think it would be good for us.
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We played 5 at the back against Barca last year, and lost 7 goals.

Sticking an extra body in midfield might be the way to go, but not Bitton as an additional CB.
Barca's a different kettle of fish, though. They play through the middle. It might have been more effective to play a formation that forced them to play out wide.

PSG make more use of the wings. The set-up the previous poster suggested is about blocking the wings and making them come into the middle.

Not saying it would have worked, of course. :lol:

We'd have got murdered in the middle of the park with that system.
Neymar would've shifted himself inside to get easy possession.
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a run in the Europa league would do us the power of good let us implement shapes and systems and get more experience against teams at a similar level to our own. Let Brendan and the team learn together without the fear of getting a pumping preventing us playing our game.
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Barca's a different kettle of fish, though. They play through the middle. It might have been more effective to play a formation that forced them to play out wide.

PSG make more use of the wings. The set-up the previous poster suggested is about blocking the wings and making them come into the middle.

Not saying it would have worked, of course. :lol:

We'd have got murdered in the middle of the park with that system.
Neymar would've shifted himself inside to get easy possession.
Exactly. People are being very harsh on a manager that has got us through the qualifiers both times (like it or not, the most important thing for us), got the team playing some incredible football both domestically and in Europe, and given us a new sense of enjoyment since the Deila distaster.

The only tactic that might have got us a point last night would have been to 100% park the bus. I don't understand why fans think that Rodgers can/will completely change his entire philosophy and tell the players to completely forget everything he has been telling them to do up until now, knowing that these players aren't well suited to that kind of game, also knowing that ultimately it won't make any difference to our final qualifying position.

I absolutely believe that we will qualify for the Europa League, and the lessons learnt on Tuesday will improve the players. As soon as that draw was made, we all knew it was going to be about 3rd place and nothing has changed.

Canny wait for Anderlecht, I reckon we will destroy them :rocker:
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Barca's a different kettle of fish, though. They play through the middle. It might have been more effective to play a formation that forced them to play out wide.

PSG make more use of the wings. The set-up the previous poster suggested is about blocking the wings and making them come into the middle.

Not saying it would have worked, of course. :lol:

We'd have got murdered in the middle of the park with that system.
Neymar would've shifted himself inside to get easy possession.
We got murdered anyway. :(

What team and formation would you have selected – given the personnel we had available on Tuesday?

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We'd have got murdered in the middle of the park with that system.
Neymar would've shifted himself inside to get easy possession.
Exactly. People are being very harsh on a manager that has got us through the qualifiers both times (like it or not, the most important thing for us), got the team playing some incredible football both domestically and in Europe, and given us a new sense of enjoyment since the Deila distaster.

The only tactic that might have got us a point last night would have been to 100% park the bus. I don't understand why fans think that Rodgers can/will completely change his entire philosophy and tell the players to completely forget everything he has been telling them to do up until now, knowing that these players aren't well suited to that kind of game, also knowing that ultimately it won't make any difference to our final qualifying position.

I absolutely believe that we will qualify for the Europa League, and the lessons learnt on Tuesday will improve the players. As soon as that draw was made, we all knew it was going to be about 3rd place and nothing has changed.

Canny wait for Anderlecht, I reckon we will destroy them :rocker:
Fully agree. Find a style or way of playing and stick to it - with tweaks where necessary obviously. The only way to progress and improve within that (aside from buying better players obviously) is to test it against the best. That may result in the odd tanking but I think we have to have the courage to go out there and give it a go, learn any lessons, come back and try again and...well, maybe fail better to get all Samuel Beckett but surely at some point you would hope it clicks.
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