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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,961 Views)
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12 Sep 2017, 11:55 PM
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The problem is, if you are going with Roberts and Sinclair then you need full back support for them otherwise they just get crowded out and that's exactly what happened. I'd at least understand going with them because you (rightly or wrongly) want to have a go at them but we didn't even do that. It was just a clustereff.
In the first half Tierney went beyond Sinclair many times. He then proceeded to hit a succession of aimless/pish crosses which, had it been Izaguirre, would have seen him being slaughtered.

The CL is still a massive step up for Tierney. Like many he hasn't convinced. Plenty of time for him though.
One of our better players tonight !
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Izzy was desperate to leave. Sevilliano should know that,as well as BR not wanting to sign players in June,July and August outwith the English premier league.
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Can you expand on the way he has been let down

Were there specific targets who we did not get because of Lawwell interfering/failing rather than player not fancying it??

Saw Jagielka mentioned in a report the other day....was he approached??

Would certainly hate to lose Rodgers on that basis...I.e. him getting pissed off because he is not being supported to the fullest possible extent by the board/PL
He hates Lawwell. Every negative result he will try to suggest is Lawwells fault. He can't help himself. He once said on here that he knew plenty of millionaires desperate to invest in Celtic but they won't because of Lawwell. He also suggested our medical department was being so stream lined by Lawwell that injuries were not being treated properly. Last year when we failed to sign that guy who plays in America ( can't remember his name) he just happens to go on a business trip to America were he meets people involved in the transfer saga and discovers it was the board (Lawwell) who eff'd up the negotiations by not offering the right money.

Now he's hinting that Lawwell isn't backing Brendan. Run of the mill stuff form him.
If you pay such attention to my posts at least get it right

I don't hate PL - I don't want him running any aspect of our football dept inc transfers as he's not delivered repeatedly

This summer we needed our defence strengthened and BR managed to cobble together just a defence of sorts to get us to the cl for the second time

The complete mess that was our defence v Astana effin Astana has not been strengthened and he's Ben reduced to a boy and throwing lustig into CB

Is that the best we can do - really

It has all the hallmarks of the delia sized hole pl got us into and if it wasn't for BR and BR alone you'd all remember your views on pl post delia

Tonight that defence caused havoc because it could no longer support the way we attack nor could it do the basics of defending - altho admittedly Roberts was never going to track back you'd have thought Sinclair would have helped tierney more

But we'll have cash in the bank and can look forward to January window

Oh but then pl didn't get BR target in Jan either

Or Maybe I should just get with the prog and realise BR is just too demanding and he should perform miracles with kids and players out of position against top teams

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the defence should have been improved but not sure thats the boards fault rather than brendan

either way, a 10m cb wouldnt have made any difference tonight, it was the midfield on constantly losing posession that gave us no chance
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I'm not sure how anyone can defend the lack of spending over the summer at the back.

We waited until the last minute to find out that the South African defender wasn't fit enough to kick a ball. That's some terrific management that. Just as well we were competent enough to have a plan B.

Oh wait.
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13 Sep 2017, 12:42 AM
the defence should have been improved but not sure thats the boards fault rather than brendan

either way, a 10m cb wouldnt have made any difference tonight, it was the midfield on constantly losing posession that gave us no chance
A slightly simplistic view, but the midfield giving away possession was frequently happening because we were sitting so deep to protect a shambolic defence. Almost every time one of our midfielders got the ball there was nobody moving into space in front - because they were clearly told to sit back.

A quality centre half doesn't just give us protection in the middle, but also down the right with Lustig being able to play in his correct position instead of a kid.

We literally gave an 18 year old kid his Champions League debut tonight man marking the most expensive player in the history of the game. Because we didn't spend a effing penny on the defence.

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13 Sep 2017, 12:48 AM
A slightly simplistic view, but the midfield giving away possession was frequently happening because we were sitting so deep to protect a shambolic defence. Almost every time one of our midfielders got the ball there was nobody moving into space in front - because they were clearly told to sit back.
i think thats far too simplistic itself. armstrong, brown, ntcham and griffiths gave the ball away plenty with simple passes on. that wasnt down to being too deep or no options

the defence should absolutely have been improved but that doesnt excuse the rest of our performance and i think the manager has to take asmuch if not more of the blame than the board for not improving the defence.

he seemed to have thoughts on players of better quality becoming available towards the end of the window which didnt happen. maybe there was something in the jagielka talk and he was lined up but everton didnt get the business they needed to allow him out
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13 Sep 2017, 12:48 AM
Zurawski 7
13 Sep 2017, 12:42 AM
the defence should have been improved but not sure thats the boards fault rather than brendan

either way, a 10m cb wouldnt have made any difference tonight, it was the midfield on constantly losing posession that gave us no chance
A slightly simplistic view, but the midfield giving away possession was frequently happening because we were sitting so deep to protect a shambolic defence. Almost every time one of our midfielders got the ball there was nobody moving into space in front - because they were clearly told to sit back.

A quality centre half doesn't just give us protection in the middle, but also down the right with Lustig being able to play in his correct position instead of a kid.

We literally gave an 18 year old kid his Champions League debut tonight man marking the most expensive player in the history of the game. Because we didn't spend a effing penny on the defence.

Terrible indeed, total mismanagement of the club, but that's what can make a player and I believe it'll be the making of Ralston.
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The problem is, if you are going with Roberts and Sinclair then you need full back support for them otherwise they just get crowded out and that's exactly what happened. I'd at least understand going with them because you (rightly or wrongly) want to have a go at them but we didn't even do that. It was just a clustereff.
In the first half Tierney went beyond Sinclair many times. He then proceeded to hit a succession of aimless/pish crosses which, had it been Izaguirre, would have seen him being slaughtered.

The CL is still a massive step up for Tierney. Like many he hasn't convinced. Plenty of time for him though.
Don't agree with this. Tierney was quite clearly told to tuck in and form a back 3 1st half while we tried to force them to the flanks hence Alves giving me numerous heart attacks as we left him in acres of space to cross time and time again. It was Sinclair though ho never ever bothered his arse to help him out defensively. The full backs were hung out to dry by the tactics/formation- Roberts on the other side made for an embarrassingly weak defensive unit.
Edited by ssmith81, 13 Sep 2017, 01:17 AM.
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13 Sep 2017, 01:32 AM
This is what it feels like to be Hamilton Accies.
Brendan Rodgers, still got Ronny's minnows.
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Needs to swallow his pride. We aren't going to out play these teams. So why even try?

Since the turn of the century our success in Europe has been built off the back of a solid defence and a formidable keeper. Plus a clinical front line and outstanding work rate. At the moment we have a poor defence, an OK keeper, an imbalanced midfield and an inconsistent front line.

Maybe the gap is growing from Lennon's time but I don't think we help ourselves.
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13 Sep 2017, 01:51 AM
Needs to swallow his pride. We aren't going to out play these teams. So why even try?

Since the turn of the century our success in Europe has been built off the back of a solid defence and a formidable keeper. Plus a clinical front line and outstanding work rate. At the moment we have a poor defence, an OK keeper, an imbalanced midfield and an inconsistent front line.

Maybe the gap is growing from Lennon's time but I don't think we help ourselves.
Neil's sides bear Barca and got hammered 6-1 by them.

I completely endorse us trying to play better against these teams.
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Rodgers' philosophy is generally fine but even the best managers know when to be pragmatic. Alex Ferguson switched from a swashbuckling 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 against the better teams during his latter years to account for the fact that, post-Ronaldo, Man Utd needed to be tighter defensively to get results in those games. There's no shame in changing your tactics to account for the strengths of the opposition.
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Rightly or wrongly, I can't see BR changing his philosophy in Europe.

When questioned before games against top teams, he admits that our approach will always be the same.
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13 Sep 2017, 10:01 AM
Rightly or wrongly, I can't see BR changing his philosophy in Europe.

When questioned before games against top teams, he admits that our approach will always be the same.
Deila got pelters for being the same.

BR may have planned on a 4-3-3 but last night without the ball we effectively played a 5 man midfield consisting of 3 attacking players. A nightmare for our fullbacks, especially Tierney who's marking Mbappe and being hit on the overlap by probably the best attacking full back in football. A Lennon team for eg would have had a Mulgrew/Ledley/AN OTHER utility type player to offer protection.

On occasions BR is just going to have to suck it up and park the bus. It might be pretty rotten to watch but if disciplined you might just get lucky, frustrate the opposition and hit them with a sucker punch. Worst case scenario you lose by a couple and move on to the next. Last night was a tough one to take (worse than Barca last year imo) and could be hard for the team to recover from.
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Could have used a more pragmatic approach last night, if we're being honest.

The gap between us and the elite level teams has never been as wide, but there's no excuse for not setting us up a little more defensive.
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13 Sep 2017, 10:32 AM
Could have used a more pragmatic approach last night, if we're being honest.

The gap between us and the elite level teams has never been as wide, but there's no excuse for not setting us up a little more defensive.
Correct.

Brendan has a bit to learn at this level too.

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Rightly or wrongly, I can't see BR changing his philosophy in Europe.

When questioned before games against top teams, he admits that our approach will always be the same.
You could argue that we would have been better not switching even to a slightly more defensive set up. It seemed to result in us being completely hemmed in, and having no out ball for Roberts and Sinclair.
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Rightly or wrongly, I can't see BR changing his philosophy in Europe.

When questioned before games against top teams, he admits that our approach will always be the same.
He will fail then. Jock Stein said being able to adapt the team to circumstance was the number one priority in the 60s. Right then and right now
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