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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,970 Views)
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27 Aug 2017, 10:16 PM
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I think if we got the break of the ball and scored earlier we would most likely have won the game.

Hitting the post twice was in the last 20 iirc along with most of our real chances.

We just lacked guile on Saturday and the slow methodical build up didn't help.

Once we got the goal we took a huge lift from it and started moving the ball a bit quicker.

I dont just mean by getting it up the park quicker btw.
:thumbsup: I must admit it gets oan my chookies watching it but I get it and understand the managers point.
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The bit i don't quite get though is that we were playing the same style but just quicker.

It's the two or three touches when at times previously we were only taking one it just slows everything down.

I get if there are no options then we have to move it around whether it is back, forward, sideways its the times there are options but slowing it down ends up with good options being closed down.

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effing hell.

my neil lennon post was bad, but this is next level pish.
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:thumbsup: I must admit it gets oan my chookies watching it but I get it and understand the managers point.
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The bit i don't quite get though is that we were playing the same style but just quicker.

It's the two or three touches when at times previously we were only taking one it just slows everything down.

I get if there are no options then we have to move it around whether it is back, forward, sideways its the times there are options but slowing it down ends up with good options being closed down.

I feel the players do have the odd game, maybe one in ten, where they look a bit done in. But who can blame them when they play at such a high pace, with constant pressing. I think (rare) let-downs like yesterday are inevitable when so much is asked of the players.
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27 Aug 2017, 10:36 PM
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27 Aug 2017, 02:28 PM

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He should not be our No.1 GK imo, he is not good enough. If DDV isn't either then we should be bringing in a new No.1 this window before it is too late.

There is no way Boyata should be our No.1 CB (even though I know Brendan believes he should), Jozo is a far better player and defender than Boyata so he should be our No.1 choice CB, If Erik isn't deemed good enough to partner him anymore then we should be looking at bringing in a new CB this window as Jozo's partner.

Being captain should not give you exclusive rights to start every week regardless of your performances, this would therefore be turning us into the same Saga Man Utd had with Wayne Rooney, Liverpool had with Gerrard, Chelsea had with Terry etc etc i.e when players can no longer give what they used to on the park but are such a big character that the manager hesitates or even fears dropping them because of the reaction this may cause. Armstrong was sensational last season from October onwards in the MF and contributed far more than Brown. He has just signed a new contract and showed that he could link up well with Ntcham against Astana in the away match, I would very much like to see if they could form a partnership together in the middle of the park going forward because I believe both players would bring more to the team if both are playing in top form over Brown. The captaincy could then be handed to Lustig or Tierney in Brown's absence.

Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
I think you're forgetting that the players are yet to reach peak physical condition. We played teams like Rosenberg who are halfway through their season. Same with Astana.

You've written Brown off before a ball has been kicked in the groups. He was the best player on the park in the 3-3 game with city.

Brown has more CL appearances than any player in our squad yet you think he's the weak link.

You want Erik in at CB even though his confidence has gone and his use of the ball is very poor.

DDV in goals despite being having chocolate wrists and going down in instalments. His kicking has been poor this season too.

Bizarre

Peak conditions or not, I have very little confidence in Brown, Boyata or Gordon and what they can provide for us consistently on the European stage in the CL. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it. Again I do believe they are going to be our weak links at that level.

If you read my post I said if Erik or DDV aren't deemed good enough to displace either Boyata or Gordon (which is starting to look likely under Brendan) then we need better brought into the club because they aren't good enough at that level for us and will cost us dearly imo. A Gordon replacement and new CB partner for Jozo are urgently required.

On Brown I know he had a brilliant campaign last season both domestically and in Europe. But this season he has most certainly not reached those same heights so far and I don't feel personally he will be able too, lightening in this instance won't strike twice where he has another superb European campaign like last year. Overall since Brown arrived at the club I have been very underwhelmed by the majority of his European performances for us, a couple of games stood out where he performed well before last season like Fenerbache at home and Benfica at home (0-0 game under Lenny). Last season was of course his best season for us in Europe where he was hugely consistent and excellent throughout it in all 6 Group Stage games, I'm not taking that away from him.

But I would rather see a different player next to Ntcham, someone who will provide more of a creativity, energy and goal threat whilst Ntcham performs the Brown role keeping play ticking over and winning the ball back. So what I'm saying is as I've said before that I would like to see Armstrong partnering Ntcham to see if they can complement each other together in the middle of the park.

FWIW, out of the three of them Gordon worries me the most for the CL, followed by Boyata and then Brown is the least player that concerns me but I would still rather we went with other players in their place for this years campaign.
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Criticism of individual players is fine. However, some posters are either delusional or don't watch much football.
Goalkeeper is a specialised position which comes under unfair scrutiny. Gordon isn't world class but certainly very good, mostly, especially for the budget we have to work within. His ratio of mistakes to world class saves would be very low. It's the nature of the position that any mistake can be costly. Boruc is probably the only keeper in my 40+ years of watching Celtic who I would have had almost 100% confidence in. Latchford, Bonner, Marshall, Gould, Douglas? I would have Gordon every time. Fraser Forster has had a few howlers at Southampton.
As regards Boyata, I think people have misconstrued BR comments about him being his no1 CB. I don't think he was implying Boyata was better than Simunovic just that him and Jozo are the preferred parternship in the middle of defence.
If you can't see the contribution Broonie makes to our team then there is just about no point arguing. On his game Brown is crucial and like most players he has the odd off game.
That said, if we had the money, we could definitely upgrade all of these players. If money was no object there is not one of our players we couldn't upgrade. As it is Gordon, Boyata and Brown are fine.
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The bit i don't quite get though is that we were playing the same style but just quicker.

It's the two or three touches when at times previously we were only taking one it just slows everything down.

I get if there are no options then we have to move it around whether it is back, forward, sideways its the times there are options but slowing it down ends up with good options being closed down.

I feel the players do have the odd game, maybe one in ten, where they look a bit done in. But who can blame them when they play at such a high pace, with constant pressing. I think (rare) let-downs like yesterday are inevitable when so much is asked of the players.
yeah i would expect that too
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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
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28 Aug 2017, 10:01 AM
I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
No one else we have can deliver the ball like he can though.
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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
No one else we have can deliver the ball like he can though.
He's our best striker and is actually quite good in the air. I'd sacrifice the one goal in 10 games we seem to score from to have a proper poacher in the box at a set piece.
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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
Do you think Griffiths has just decided himself to take the corners?
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Griffiths is the only one who can put a ball in. Either that or we have Sinclair with that daft chip corner with no pace , or Armstrong with the hands up then blooters it out the other end of the park.

Our problem at corners is that our players don't attack the ball that well. We really miss Boyata at a set piece.

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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
No one else we have can deliver the ball like he can though.
He's our best striker and is actually quite good in the air. I'd sacrifice the one goal in 10 games we seem to score from to have a proper poacher in the box at a set piece.
Griffiths being in the box wouldn't make a difference when the other players are generally so poor at taking set pieces.

When Boyata is back we'll start scoring from set plays again as he is the best at attacking the ball. He got 4 goals at the end of the last season all courtesy of Griffiths deliveries.
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28 Aug 2017, 11:07 AM
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He's our best striker and is actually quite good in the air. I'd sacrifice the one goal in 10 games we seem to score from to have a proper poacher in the box at a set piece.
Griffiths being in the box wouldn't make a difference when the other players are generally so poor at taking set pieces.

When Boyata is back we'll start scoring from set plays again as he is the best at attacking the ball. He got 4 goals at the end of the last season all courtesy of Griffiths deliveries.
I'm surprised that McGregor isn't down to take corners as he always seemed to put a good cross into the box from outfield.

Saying that, I'm sure the coaching staff know a lot more than me and also work with the players every day so what do I know? :lol:
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Griffiths being in the box wouldn't make a difference when the other players are generally so poor at taking set pieces.

When Boyata is back we'll start scoring from set plays again as he is the best at attacking the ball. He got 4 goals at the end of the last season all courtesy of Griffiths deliveries.
I'm surprised that McGregor isn't down to take corners as he always seemed to put a good cross into the box from outfield.

Saying that, I'm sure the coaching staff know a lot more than me and also work with the players every day so what do I know? :lol:
The most worrying thing is we only seem to have one player capable of delivering a set piece which is inexcusable at this level.
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Griffiths is the only one who can put a ball in. Either that or we have Sinclair with that daft chip corner with no pace , or Armstrong with the hands up then blooters it out the other end of the park.

Our problem at corners is that our players don't attack the ball that well. We really miss Boyata at a set piece.

Professional footballers worth millions and on tens of thousands each week and we still need to rely on one of our main scoring threats to cross a dead ball in to the box under no pressure.

I know Griffiths is good at it, but still.
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28 Aug 2017, 11:45 AM
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Griffiths is the only one who can put a ball in. Either that or we have Sinclair with that daft chip corner with no pace , or Armstrong with the hands up then blooters it out the other end of the park.

Our problem at corners is that our players don't attack the ball that well. We really miss Boyata at a set piece.

Professional footballers worth millions and on tens of thousands each week and we still need to rely on one of our main scoring threats to cross a dead ball in to the box under no pressure.

I know Griffiths is good at it, but still.

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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
do you not think that Brendan has told him that he is the guy whos deliverey from corners is the best at the club , so that's why he takes our corners
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28 Aug 2017, 03:29 PM
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I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
do you not think that Brendan has told him that he is the guy whos deliverey from corners is the best at the club , so that's why he takes our corners
Brendan is on record saying he doesn't normally like strikers taking corners but LG's delivery is too good which roughly equates to everyone else's are pish.
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28 Aug 2017, 10:01 AM
I wish Brendan would have a word with Griff and tell him that on corners, he'd be better off being in the box.

Just a thought...
do you not think that Brendan has told him that he is the guy whos deliverey from corners is the best at the club , so that's why he takes our corners
Brendan is on record saying he doesn't normally like strikers taking corners but LG's delivery is too good which roughly equates to everyone else's are pish.
It really doesn't roughly equate to that at all.
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Brendan is on record saying he doesn't normally like strikers taking corners but LG's delivery is too good which roughly equates to everyone else's are pish.
It really doesn't roughly equate to that at all.
Taking a corner is a fine art.

Griffiths spends hours after training practicing those perfect crosses, makes sense that he should take them.
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