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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,971 Views)
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27 Aug 2017, 02:49 PM
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27 Aug 2017, 02:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepreally that controversial a view to have?
Aye.

It's three controversial opinions though. That's mibby where the interest is being drawn from.

FWIW, I think Gordon could and should be improved on as soon as we can get better.
Would you not even give Dorus a second chance though?
I'd be reluctant. He made a total baws of it the last time - wouldn't worry too much about playing him in the league, but not the CL.
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I really don't think its a controversial opinion to say Brown should not longer be automatic 1st pick regardless of form. We have 5 excellent midfielders vying for 3 positions, we have another 3 decent ones behind them.
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27 Aug 2017, 02:41 PM
Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
Yes.
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27 Aug 2017, 02:23 PM
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27 Aug 2017, 02:09 PM

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In the post you initially replied to, I said SB's positive attributes, "mainly his energy, drive and determination", are now beginning to decline as he gets older. So no, I'm not saying he is the same player.
How exactly would you be able to determine how determined or driven Brown ( or any player for that matter ) is ?
It's just my opinion: Brown's physical prowess is declining, and as a result he isn't going to be able to control games or drive the team on as consistently as he once was, because some of his best attributes are closely tied to physical prowess; not technique, which can be as effective in an older player as one in their prime.

I'm sure his desire is still there, so maybe a poor choice of words. However, I think you know exactly what I mean and are just being pedantic for the sake of it. :lol:
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27 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM
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27 Aug 2017, 01:19 PM
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27 Aug 2017, 01:12 PM

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I've already said Brown was superb in last seasons Group Stages, but lightening doesn't strike twice as he's proved so far this season at home to Rosenborg (where he almost cost us the tie) and away to Astana (where again he was hugely responsible for our collapse).

Ntcham and Armstrong should be the partnership for this seasons CL.
Brown made 1 mistake when the tie was out of sight so let's drop our captain. Pretty sure Brendan thinks that way.
Broonies bad pass did cause us problems, but theres been games this season already where he's been flawless and not even made it into the top 3 in the man of the match thread.

He was immense in Astana at home.
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First post on P602 of the old Deila thread. Dated November 2014, only 5 months after he took over :lol:

He seems to talk a good game but it is not backed up by what we see. He is not solely to blame and is a symptom of a much wider illness within the club but i am really struggling to see how it will turn round for him?

We are only in Europe because we got an almighty (and completely undeserved) administrative break. Otherwise our European adventure was over in the first week in August following a 6-1 pummeling from a run of the mill European side! We got back in and then contrived to lose to another side who aspire to hit the heights of average.

Salzburg are ok with a couple of good players and they beat us fairly comfortably. They are not Real Madrid! They got 2 quick goals to kill us off last night and eased off the gas. After that Celtic had a lot of the ball but in the main did nothing with it. On the occasion when we seemed to be building up some momentum, the manager brought Commons on in the hope that he would get a shooting opportunity from outside the box and all momentum in the team was lost!

We have made heavy weather in most of the domestic games and could find ourselves in a tricky spot on Sunday playing against a Hearts team with energy and confidence through the roof. They are easily capable of capitalising on another soporific start from our team. The other thing is that you cannot say with any certainty what team will turn up on any given day. We could turn up against Sevco in a few weeks and utterly garbage as they are, we are easily capable of plummeting to their level!

He is not going to get money in January to replace guys like Mulgrew, Stokes, Griffiths etc and at the stage of their careers, they are not going to develop a first touch and an ability to pass the ball accurately and quickly. He made one permanent signing and he didn't think he was worth playing last night! The loan guys are going to have to be bought or replaced (further reducing the available cash to replace Mulgrew, Stokes et al).

The whole thing is an utter shambles.
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Enough of the "yer a hun" "naw yer a hun" tripe. Thanks.
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27 Aug 2017, 07:44 PM
Enough of the "yer a hun" "naw yer a hun" tripe. Thanks.
I thought that was a term of endearment over the pond? Is it not hun? :ph43r:


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I understand BR's frustration with the fans yesterday. It's the first time in the year and a half he's been with us that our "playing out from the back" philosophy has cost us a goal. He's been an absolute godsend for us since he's arrived and he's earned the right to have patience from the fans. Personally I'd like to see us find the balance between playing out from the back and knowing when to play safe and clear our lines but I trust Brendan and his philosophies. Afterall, it hasn't worked out too badly for him and us so far...
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I understand BR's frustration with the fans yesterday. It's the first time in the year and a half he's been with us that our "playing out from the back" philosophy has cost us a goal. He's been an absolute godsend for us since he's arrived and he's earned the right to have patience from the fans. Personally I'd like to see us find the balance between playing out from the back and knowing when to play safe and clear our lines but I trust Brendan and his philosophies. Afterall, it hasn't worked out too badly for him and us so far...
Even when we were winning all the time there was still the odd nugget who sat around me who would moan about the goalie passing the ball to a centre half/full back rather than hoofing it towards Griffiths.

It's mental, but i think a lot of Scottish fans are conditioned to expect it now
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I understand BR's frustration with the fans yesterday. It's the first time in the year and a half he's been with us that our "playing out from the back" philosophy has cost us a goal. He's been an absolute godsend for us since he's arrived and he's earned the right to have patience from the fans. Personally I'd like to see us find the balance between playing out from the back and knowing when to play safe and clear our lines but I trust Brendan and his philosophies. Afterall, it hasn't worked out too badly for him and us so far...
Even when we were winning all the time there was still the odd nugget who sat around me who would moan about the goalie passing the ball to a centre half/full back rather than hoofing it towards Griffiths.

It's mental, but i think a lot of Scottish fans are conditioned to expect it now
Stone age mentality.

It works more than it doesn't. People tend to forget that.
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27 Aug 2017, 08:06 PM
I understand BR's frustration with the fans yesterday. It's the first time in the year and a half he's been with us that our "playing out from the back" philosophy has cost us a goal. He's been an absolute godsend for us since he's arrived and he's earned the right to have patience from the fans. Personally I'd like to see us find the balance between playing out from the back and knowing when to play safe and clear our lines but I trust Brendan and his philosophies. Afterall, it hasn't worked out too badly for him and us so far...
Even when we were winning all the time there was still the odd nugget who sat around me who would moan about the goalie passing the ball to a centre half/full back rather than hoofing it towards Griffiths.

It's mental, but i think a lot of Scottish fans are conditioned to expect it now
Stone age mentality.

It works more than it doesn't. People tend to forget that.
Continually conceding possession by hoofing it forward to an out-numbered striker will cost you in the long run. Not as obviously as Saturday as there will be a period of possession before conceding, but it's especially important against top European teams who will lap it up and keep the ball. Penning you in your own half. It was very slack on Saturday, playing out you will always have a risk factor, but not taking a half-arsed sclaff would be a good starting point.
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27 Aug 2017, 08:20 PM
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Stone age mentality.

It works more than it doesn't. People tend to forget that.
Continually conceding possession by hoofing it forward to an out-numbered striker will cost you in the long run. Not as obviously as Saturday as there will be a period of possession before conceding, but it's especially important against top European teams who will lap it up and keep the ball. Penning you in your own half. It was very slack on Saturday, playing out you will always have a risk factor, but not taking a half-arsed sclaff would be a good starting point.
Playing the way we do created 31 attempts on goal on Saturday versus 1 stupid error. Our playing philosophy got the ball forward a huge amount of times and our front men were wasteful. On another day we would have hammered St Johnstone in spite of that error.
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Continually conceding possession by hoofing it forward to an out-numbered striker will cost you in the long run. Not as obviously as Saturday as there will be a period of possession before conceding, but it's especially important against top European teams who will lap it up and keep the ball. Penning you in your own half. It was very slack on Saturday, playing out you will always have a risk factor, but not taking a half-arsed sclaff would be a good starting point.
Playing the way we do created 31 attempts on goal on Saturday versus 1 stupid error. Our playing philosophy got the ball forward a huge amount of times and our front men were wasteful. On another day we would have hammered St Johnstone in spite of that error.
How many of those 31 were shots that didnt make it past the first defender?

Up until the last 20m our real chances were few and far between - even then there weren't many clear cut chances - Sinclair's run in the first half being the main standout.
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Playing the way we do created 31 attempts on goal on Saturday versus 1 stupid error. Our playing philosophy got the ball forward a huge amount of times and our front men were wasteful. On another day we would have hammered St Johnstone in spite of that error.
How many of those 31 were shots that didnt make it past the first defender?

Up until the last 20m our real chances were few and far between - even then there weren't many clear cut chances - Sinclair's run in the first half being the main standout.
We hit the woodwork twice and screwed a handful past and their goalkeeper had a decent game. I'm just quoting independent stats and my point is we got the ball into the danger zone often enough to have won the game comfortably and not for the first time this season.
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27 Aug 2017, 02:23 PM
Another thread hijacked by a new poster with what we might call "controversial" opinions.

Hmm. It's been a recurring theme this season.
It's like there was some sort of secret meeting, and had a genius idea, involving some cunning stunts.
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How many of those 31 were shots that didnt make it past the first defender?

Up until the last 20m our real chances were few and far between - even then there weren't many clear cut chances - Sinclair's run in the first half being the main standout.
We hit the woodwork twice and screwed a handful past and their goalkeeper had a decent game. I'm just quoting independent stats and my point is we got the ball into the danger zone often enough to have won the game comfortably and not for the first time this season.
I think if we got the break of the ball and scored earlier we would most likely have won the game.

Hitting the post twice was in the last 20 iirc along with most of our real chances.

We just lacked guile on Saturday and the slow methodical build up didn't help.

Once we got the goal we took a huge lift from it and started moving the ball a bit quicker.

I dont just mean by getting it up the park quicker btw.
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We hit the woodwork twice and screwed a handful past and their goalkeeper had a decent game. I'm just quoting independent stats and my point is we got the ball into the danger zone often enough to have won the game comfortably and not for the first time this season.
I think if we got the break of the ball and scored earlier we would most likely have won the game.

Hitting the post twice was in the last 20 iirc along with most of our real chances.

We just lacked guile on Saturday and the slow methodical build up didn't help.

Once we got the goal we took a huge lift from it and started moving the ball a bit quicker.

I dont just mean by getting it up the park quicker btw.
:thumbsup: I must admit it gets oan my chookies watching it but I get it and understand the managers point.
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It was pre-season ffs.

These games are designed for players to get back up to match fitness/sharpness.

Lacking fitness/sharpness is when they are expected to make these kind of mistakes.
Let's not act like this is a rare sight from Boyata, it is by far the biggest flaw in his game his dreadful slack passing to the opposition in a dangerous area no matter what stage of the season he is at. Off the top of my head I can think of Molde, Inverness and there are quite a few others where it didn't get punished because we get away with it domestically. The mistake he made in an U20 game against Killie last season (a game he should be bossing with his eyes shut) was comical and had to be seen to be believed.

I'm not doubting Boyata's heading ability which is the best at the club, but his ability or lack of on the ball makes him far too big a risk to gamble with, especially against the sides we'll face in the CL.
He shouldn't be making any mistakes whatsoever in these games....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 is that because he's in P7 and they are all P6-ers.......

In other news Kylian Mbappe is 18
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27 Aug 2017, 02:41 PM
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I'm not sure, but maybe suggesting the number #1 goalie, the captain and the #1 centre half be dropped?
He should not be our No.1 GK imo, he is not good enough. If DDV isn't either then we should be bringing in a new No.1 this window before it is too late.

There is no way Boyata should be our No.1 CB (even though I know Brendan believes he should), Jozo is a far better player and defender than Boyata so he should be our No.1 choice CB, If Erik isn't deemed good enough to partner him anymore then we should be looking at bringing in a new CB this window as Jozo's partner.

Being captain should not give you exclusive rights to start every week regardless of your performances, this would therefore be turning us into the same Saga Man Utd had with Wayne Rooney, Liverpool had with Gerrard, Chelsea had with Terry etc etc i.e when players can no longer give what they used to on the park but are such a big character that the manager hesitates or even fears dropping them because of the reaction this may cause. Armstrong was sensational last season from October onwards in the MF and contributed far more than Brown. He has just signed a new contract and showed that he could link up well with Ntcham against Astana in the away match, I would very much like to see if they could form a partnership together in the middle of the park going forward because I believe both players would bring more to the team if both are playing in top form over Brown. The captaincy could then be handed to Lustig or Tierney in Brown's absence.

Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
I think you're forgetting that the players are yet to reach peak physical condition. We played teams like Rosenberg who are halfway through their season. Same with Astana.

You've written Brown off before a ball has been kicked in the groups. He was the best player on the park in the 3-3 game with city.

Brown has more CL appearances than any player in our squad yet you think he's the weak link.

You want Erik in at CB even though his confidence has gone and his use of the ball is very poor.

DDV in goals despite being having chocolate wrists and going down in instalments. His kicking has been poor this season too.

Bizarre

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