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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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I say it again - Brown had the best pass percentage in CL last season. If that isn't cutting it then we best start saving the pennies for Modric
I say it again; it's not a surprise that he had that percentage when 99% of his passes were simply made with the aim of keeping possession, rather than risking losing the ball with a more difficult pass. Comparing Brown with Modric is just daft.
Surely every player who passes a ball has the aim of keeping possession?
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I was searching for a midfielder to make a flippant point. He won midfielder of the tournament.

I think Brown brings intangible qualities to the team. I would accept expecting him to play every game is unlikely at this stage of his career
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I say it again; it's not a surprise that he had that percentage when 99% of his passes were simply made with the aim of keeping possession, rather than risking losing the ball with a more difficult pass. Comparing Brown with Modric is just daft.
Where does that 99% figure come from ?
It's a figure of speech; I meant "most". If you don't agree then fair enough.
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27 Aug 2017, 02:04 PM

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I say it again; it's not a surprise that he had that percentage when 99% of his passes were simply made with the aim of keeping possession, rather than risking losing the ball with a more difficult pass. Comparing Brown with Modric is just daft.
Surely every player who passes a ball has the aim of keeping possession?
Of course, but I'm highlighting the fact people shouldn't be comparing him with Modric (as the given example) as he has a different role to Brown, and using the 'pass completion stat' to do so is futile. :thumbsup:
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I was searching for a midfielder to make a flippant point. He won midfielder of the tournament.

I think Brown brings intangible qualities to the team. I would accept expecting him to play every game is unlikely at this stage of his career
According to you suggesting that you would rather see Armstrong alongside Ntcham as a partnership as opposed Brown beside Ntcham to see how it goes makes you somehow less of a Celtic fan or worse a Sevconian? How on earth do you draw that warped conclusion?
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I'm not basing that assessment of SB on one game, although I disagree that it's his first in a while as he was absolutely crap against Rosenborg at CP (not alone in that mind).

He hasn't had any real pace for a number of years, and has never been known for defence-splitting passing or fantastic technique, or at least they've never been the main elements of his play. I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that? As you get older and things slow down, having incredibly quick feet and excellent passing are very useful skills, I just don't think SB has ever had that when we're talking about playing at CL-level.
So you're saying he's the same player today he has always been ?
In the post you initially replied to, I said SB's positive attributes, "mainly his energy, drive and determination", are now beginning to decline as he gets older. So no, I'm not saying he is the same player.
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He was awful in pre-season giving the ball away again cheaply, I see no signs of progress from him that he has cut out his slack passes to the opposition. The Rapid Vienna pre-season game was a prime example of this.
It was pre-season ffs.

These games are designed for players to get back up to match fitness/sharpness.

Lacking fitness/sharpness is when they are expected to make these kind of mistakes.
Let's not act like this is a rare sight from Boyata, it is by far the biggest flaw in his game his dreadful slack passing to the opposition in a dangerous area no matter what stage of the season he is at. Off the top of my head I can think of Molde, Inverness and there are quite a few others where it didn't get punished because we get away with it domestically. The mistake he made in an U20 game against Killie last season (a game he should be bossing with his eyes shut) was comical and had to be seen to be believed.

I'm not doubting Boyata's heading ability which is the best at the club, but his ability or lack of on the ball makes him far too big a risk to gamble with, especially against the sides we'll face in the CL.
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Another thread hijacked by a new poster with what we might call "controversial" opinions.

Hmm. It's been a recurring theme this season.
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So you're saying he's the same player today he has always been ?
In the post you initially replied to, I said SB's positive attributes, "mainly his energy, drive and determination", are now beginning to decline as he gets older. So no, I'm not saying he is the same player.
How exactly would you be able to determine how determined or driven Brown ( or any player for that matter ) is ?
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It was pre-season ffs.

These games are designed for players to get back up to match fitness/sharpness.

Lacking fitness/sharpness is when they are expected to make these kind of mistakes.
Let's not act like this is a rare sight from Boyata, it is by far the biggest flaw in his game his dreadful slack passing to the opposition in a dangerous area no matter what stage of the season he is at. Off the top of my head I can think of Molde, Inverness and there are quite a few others where it didn't get punished because we get away with it domestically. The mistake he made in an U20 game against Killie last season (a game he should be bossing with his eyes shut) was comical and had to be seen to be believed.

I'm not doubting Boyata's heading ability which is the best at the club, but his ability or lack of on the ball makes him far too big a risk to gamble with, especially against the sides we'll face in the CL.
From pre season to Under 20's.

Vinegar stroke is close.
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I was searching for a midfielder to make a flippant point. He won midfielder of the tournament.

I think Brown brings intangible qualities to the team. I would accept expecting him to play every game is unlikely at this stage of his career
According to you suggesting that you would rather see Armstrong alongside Ntcham as a partnership as opposed Brown beside Ntcham to see how it goes makes you somehow less of a Celtic fan or worse a Sevconian? How on earth do you draw that warped conclusion?
Are you still here?

For what it is worth - Any big game Brown starts (an opinion shared with sane people and/or Celtic fans) league cup or post europe against (with all respect) Hamilton, Kilmarnock we can mix and match
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Let's not act like this is a rare sight from Boyata, it is by far the biggest flaw in his game his dreadful slack passing to the opposition in a dangerous area no matter what stage of the season he is at. Off the top of my head I can think of Molde, Inverness and there are quite a few others where it didn't get punished because we get away with it domestically. The mistake he made in an U20 game against Killie last season (a game he should be bossing with his eyes shut) was comical and had to be seen to be believed.

I'm not doubting Boyata's heading ability which is the best at the club, but his ability or lack of on the ball makes him far too big a risk to gamble with, especially against the sides we'll face in the CL.
From pre season to Under 20's.

Vinegar stroke is close.
Ignore those games at your peril, quite frankly he should't be making any mistakes whatsoever in U20 matches, he should be far above that.

I honestly don't understand how most of our fans have faith in Boyata, he is a constant disaster waiting to happen with the ball at his feet. We need a far, far better partner for Jozo in these groups, how on earth is any of what I'm saying controversial?
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From pre season to Under 20's.

Vinegar stroke is close.
Ignore those games at your peril, quite frankly he should't be making any mistakes whatsoever in U20 matches, he should be far above that.

I honestly don't understand how most of our fans have faith in Boyata, he is a constant disaster waiting to happen with the ball at his feet. We need a far, far better partner for Jozo in these groups, how on earth is any of what I'm saying controversial?
I'm not sure, but maybe suggesting the number #1 goalie, the captain and the #1 centre half be dropped?
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Brown's shooting is woeful just as well Ntcham looks like he can shoot.

Get Brown to feck pronto like
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From pre season to Under 20's.

Vinegar stroke is close.
Ignore those games at your peril, quite frankly he should't be making any mistakes whatsoever in U20 matches, he should be far above that.

I honestly don't understand how most of our fans have faith in Boyata, he is a constant disaster waiting to happen with the ball at his feet. We need a far, far better partner for Jozo in these groups, how on earth is any of what I'm saying controversial?
It's controversial because it's an opinion.

Boyata came in last season and performed far above any fans expectation, he earned his place in the team. Now you are going on about how he is a constant disaster waiting to happen ?

Huh ?

That's just nonsense. How can something that hasn't happened be constant ?
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27 Aug 2017, 02:23 PM
Another thread hijacked by a new poster with what we might call "controversial" opinions.

Hmm. It's been a recurring theme this season.
Controversial opinions to say I have high confidence in Lustig, Jozo, Tierney, Ntcham, Rogic, Roberts, Sinclair, Dembele to step up for us in the CL this season

But I am concerned worries at the thought of seeing Brown, Boyata and Brown take part is hugely controversial to you? Bloody hell I'd hate to enter a politics thread on here.

If you take a look at those three players I'm questioning threads you will see there are plenty of our fans who have concerns against them, I am most definitely not the only one.
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27 Aug 2017, 02:23 PM
Another thread hijacked by a new poster with what we might call "controversial" opinions.

Hmm. It's been a recurring theme this season.
Controversial opinions to say I have high confidence in Lustig, Jozo, Tierney, Ntcham, Rogic, Roberts, Sinclair, Dembele to step up for us in the CL this season

But I am concerned worries at the thought of seeing Brown, Boyata and Brown take part is hugely controversial to you? Bloody hell I'd hate to enter a politics thread on here.

If you take a look at those three players I'm questioning threads you will see there are plenty of our fans who have concerns against them, I am most definitely not the only one.
The manager of our domestically unbeaten team is on record as saying Boyata is his No.1 centre back.

He is also on record as saying Brown is an indispensable part of his team and a brilliant captain.

But you descend upon us with your all-consuming knowledge of football and acute tactical insight to say the manager doesn't know his best team because guys you know who support Celtic agree with you.

And then you bitch about being called a troll or a zombie???

Give it a rest, FFS!
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Ignore those games at your peril, quite frankly he should't be making any mistakes whatsoever in U20 matches, he should be far above that.

I honestly don't understand how most of our fans have faith in Boyata, he is a constant disaster waiting to happen with the ball at his feet. We need a far, far better partner for Jozo in these groups, how on earth is any of what I'm saying controversial?
I'm not sure, but maybe suggesting the number #1 goalie, the captain and the #1 centre half be dropped?
He should not be our No.1 GK imo, he is not good enough. If DDV isn't either then we should be bringing in a new No.1 this window before it is too late.

There is no way Boyata should be our No.1 CB (even though I know Brendan believes he should), Jozo is a far better player and defender than Boyata so he should be our No.1 choice CB, If Erik isn't deemed good enough to partner him anymore then we should be looking at bringing in a new CB this window as Jozo's partner.

Being captain should not give you exclusive rights to start every week regardless of your performances, this would therefore be turning us into the same Saga Man Utd had with Wayne Rooney, Liverpool had with Gerrard, Chelsea had with Terry etc etc i.e when players can no longer give what they used to on the park but are such a big character that the manager hesitates or even fears dropping them because of the reaction this may cause. Armstrong was sensational last season from October onwards in the MF and contributed far more than Brown. He has just signed a new contract and showed that he could link up well with Ntcham against Astana in the away match, I would very much like to see if they could form a partnership together in the middle of the park going forward because I believe both players would bring more to the team if both are playing in top form over Brown. The captaincy could then be handed to Lustig or Tierney in Brown's absence.

Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
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27 Aug 2017, 02:41 PM
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I'm not sure, but maybe suggesting the number #1 goalie, the captain and the #1 centre half be dropped?
He should not be our No.1 GK imo, he is not good enough. If DDV isn't either then we should be bringing in a new No.1 this window before it is too late.

There is no way Boyata should be our No.1 CB (even though I know Brendan believes he should), Jozo is a far better player and defender than Boyata so he should be our No.1 choice CB, If Erik isn't deemed good enough to partner him anymore then we should be looking at bringing in a new CB this window as Jozo's partner.

Being captain should not give you exclusive rights to start every week regardless of your performances, this would therefore be turning us into the same Saga Man Utd had with Wayne Rooney, Liverpool had with Gerrard, Chelsea had with Terry etc etc i.e when players can no longer give what they used to on the park but are such a big character that the manager hesitates or even fears dropping them because of the reaction this may cause. Armstrong was sensational last season from October onwards in the MF and contributed far more than Brown. He has just signed a new contract and showed that he could link up well with Ntcham against Astana in the away match, I would very much like to see if they could form a partnership together in the middle of the park going forward because I believe both players would bring more to the team if both are playing in top form over Brown. The captaincy could then be handed to Lustig or Tierney in Brown's absence.

Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
Aye.

It's three controversial opinions though. That's mibby where the interest is being drawn from.

FWIW, I think Gordon could and should be improved on as soon as we can get better.
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He should not be our No.1 GK imo, he is not good enough. If DDV isn't either then we should be bringing in a new No.1 this window before it is too late.

There is no way Boyata should be our No.1 CB (even though I know Brendan believes he should), Jozo is a far better player and defender than Boyata so he should be our No.1 choice CB, If Erik isn't deemed good enough to partner him anymore then we should be looking at bringing in a new CB this window as Jozo's partner.

Being captain should not give you exclusive rights to start every week regardless of your performances, this would therefore be turning us into the same Saga Man Utd had with Wayne Rooney, Liverpool had with Gerrard, Chelsea had with Terry etc etc i.e when players can no longer give what they used to on the park but are such a big character that the manager hesitates or even fears dropping them because of the reaction this may cause. Armstrong was sensational last season from October onwards in the MF and contributed far more than Brown. He has just signed a new contract and showed that he could link up well with Ntcham against Astana in the away match, I would very much like to see if they could form a partnership together in the middle of the park going forward because I believe both players would bring more to the team if both are playing in top form over Brown. The captaincy could then be handed to Lustig or Tierney in Brown's absence.

Now, is what I'm saying now that I have broke it down really that controversial a view to have?
Aye.

It's three controversial opinions though. That's mibby where the interest is being drawn from.

FWIW, I think Gordon could and should be improved on as soon as we can get better.
Would you not even give Dorus a second chance though?
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