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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,070 Views)
Jimmy_mac
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Whilst I can see spending more on a player perhaps increases the likelihood of them being a success, it is still risky business with no guarantees. Saying that, if we have money and Brendan wants a certain type of player then I am all for it.
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Jimmy_mac
11 Apr 2017, 07:13 PM
Whilst I can see spending more on a player perhaps increases the likelihood of them being a success, it is still risky business with no guarantees. Saying that, if we have money and Brendan wants a certain type of player then I am all for it.
I trust Brendan with a decent transfer budget. Spending more money on a player doesn't always guarantee success; see Flo, Tore Andre in answer to Chris Sutton.

But our manager with a decent transfer budget will spend it wisely i'm sure.
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11 Apr 2017, 05:55 PM
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11 Apr 2017, 12:47 PM
Pato, Coutinho and Neymar were exceptional talents, playing first team football at about 15 and 16 years of age. They won't have been hard to find.
But BR obviously trusts and respects his judgement. That's good enough for me.

I'd rather we avoided that market for players, btw. Plucking a young boy from Sao Paolo or Rio and having him train at the foot of The Campsies in winter would be a shock to their system, I think.
They seem to manage fine in the tropical climate of Ukraine in Winter
Yes, the ones that have been bought for a fair wedge of cash by the likes of Shakhtar and are on megabucks, usually do. (Douglas Costa, Willian, Brandao, Luis Adriano, etc) Since 2010 Shakhtar have spent over €100m on Brazilian players and would be paying them vast salaries. We won't be shopping in that same department.

To get anyone of real talent from that area, without the big clubs knowing about them, would be very difficult. Then there's player's ownership, agent's fees, etc, that usually arise and it would be a right sore head for the club. I just think there would be better value in other parts of the world.
Its not just shaktar that are buying South Americans though. Fair enough if they've spent 100 million quid on players, but how does that break down to each individual player? Brandao was along time ago but i don't think he was that expensive. The boy cafu at ludogsrets has looked good for example.

I think it would be short sighted to over look a whole market packed full of talent and ability just cause its a gamble or too much hassle.
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That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
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Dempele
11 Apr 2017, 09:05 PM
That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
It's not a case of matching them or the Russians/Ukrainians in the market. The work permit/visa situation
Is much more stringent in Scotland/UK. Most of the players mentioned above would not meet
The criteria.
Edited by ticcy_paper, 12 Apr 2017, 04:28 AM.
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11 Apr 2017, 11:33 PM
Dempele
11 Apr 2017, 09:05 PM
That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
It's not a case of matching them or the Russians in the market. The work permit/visa situation
Is much more stringent in Scotland/UK. Most of the players mentioned above would not meet
The criteria.
I dont know the work permit rules, but if mizuno and eboue etc can get one surely there's a way round it.
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ticcy_paper
11 Apr 2017, 11:33 PM
Dempele
11 Apr 2017, 09:05 PM
That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
It's not a case of matching them or the Russians in the market. The work permit/visa situation
Is much more stringent in Scotland/UK. Most of the players mentioned above would not meet
The criteria.
I dont know the work permit rules, but if mizuno and eboue etc can get one surely there's a way round it.
Kouassi was already working in Europe which may have helped. Mizuno only got in by
the skin of his teeth after his initial application was rejected. As I said above it's much
easier in some European Countries (Russia, Ukraine & Eastern Europe especially).

Although the application for a work permit is not guaranteed, Celtic would have a very
good idea if it would be accepted or rejected. Some players we think should be bought
may have no chance of getting a visa so we don't go for them.


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11 Apr 2017, 05:55 PM
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11 Apr 2017, 12:47 PM
Pato, Coutinho and Neymar were exceptional talents, playing first team football at about 15 and 16 years of age. They won't have been hard to find.
But BR obviously trusts and respects his judgement. That's good enough for me.

I'd rather we avoided that market for players, btw. Plucking a young boy from Sao Paolo or Rio and having him train at the foot of The Campsies in winter would be a shock to their system, I think.
They seem to manage fine in the tropical climate of Ukraine in Winter
Yes, the ones that have been bought for a fair wedge of cash by the likes of Shakhtar and are on megabucks, usually do. (Douglas Costa, Willian, Brandao, Luis Adriano, etc) Since 2010 Shakhtar have spent over €100m on Brazilian players and would be paying them vast salaries. We won't be shopping in that same department.

To get anyone of real talent from that area, without the big clubs knowing about them, would be very difficult. Then there's player's ownership, agent's fees, etc, that usually arise and it would be a right sore head for the club. I just think there would be better value in other parts of the world.
Absolute garbage. Lots of cheap Brazilian buys all over Europe that make an impact.
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12 Apr 2017, 04:50 AM
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11 Apr 2017, 05:55 PM
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Yes, the ones that have been bought for a fair wedge of cash by the likes of Shakhtar and are on megabucks, usually do. (Douglas Costa, Willian, Brandao, Luis Adriano, etc) Since 2010 Shakhtar have spent over €100m on Brazilian players and would be paying them vast salaries. We won't be shopping in that same department.

To get anyone of real talent from that area, without the big clubs knowing about them, would be very difficult. Then there's player's ownership, agent's fees, etc, that usually arise and it would be a right sore head for the club. I just think there would be better value in other parts of the world.
Absolute garbage. Lots of cheap Brazilian buys all over Europe that make an impact.
less expensive and more common than you might think
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11 Apr 2017, 11:33 PM
Dempele
11 Apr 2017, 09:05 PM
That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
It's not a case of matching them or the Russians/Ukrainians in the market. The work permit/visa situation
Is much more stringent in Scotland/UK. Most of the players mentioned above would not meet
The criteria.
A large, large number of South Americans, particularly Argentinians and Uruguayans have EU passports. There will be no work permit criteria to meet.

Until Brexit. :ph43r:
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Mackin
12 Apr 2017, 08:58 AM
ticcy_paper
11 Apr 2017, 11:33 PM
Dempele
11 Apr 2017, 09:05 PM
That Brazilian boy who played for red bull Salzburg v us other season there looked class for example too. Surely we could match them in market place uf it came to it?
It's not a case of matching them or the Russians/Ukrainians in the market. The work permit/visa situation
Is much more stringent in Scotland/UK. Most of the players mentioned above would not meet
The criteria.
A large, large number of South Americans, particularly Argentinians and Uruguayans have EU passports. There will be no work permit criteria to meet.

Until Brexit. :ph43r:
Brazil too. Portuguese clubs have been using this method of getting young talent for years. As you say once they have their EU passport then there's no problem with them playing in UK. Plenty of European teams have scouting systems in Brazil.
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Just add a few wee random snippets of information.

Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. Gives an indication of how serious we are taking the final push of the season. No one is allowed access unless Brendan knows about it. I believe a few of youth games have been moved elsewhere.

The treble is not allowed to be mentioned. Journalists have been pre-warned and players have been told not to answer questions on it.
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ballbhoy
12 Apr 2017, 03:38 PM
Just add a few wee random snippets of information.

Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. Gives an indication of how serious we are taking the final push of the season. No one is allowed access unless Brendan knows about it. I believe a few of youth games have been moved elsewhere.

The treble is not allowed to be mentioned. Journalists have been pre-warned and players have been told not to answer questions on it.
'Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. '

Any idea why they're doing that? Especially given that they're training at Celtic Park on Friday
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ballbhoy
12 Apr 2017, 03:38 PM
Just add a few wee random snippets of information.

Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. Gives an indication of how serious we are taking the final push of the season. No one is allowed access unless Brendan knows about it. I believe a few of youth games have been moved elsewhere.

The treble is not allowed to be mentioned. Journalists have been pre-warned and players have been told not to answer questions on it.
Sounds like a John Carpenter movie
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ticcy_paper
12 Apr 2017, 04:26 AM
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ticcy_paper
11 Apr 2017, 11:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I dont know the work permit rules, but if mizuno and eboue etc can get one surely there's a way round it.
Kouassi was already working in Europe which may have helped. Mizuno only got in by
the skin of his teeth after his initial application was rejected. As I said above it's much
easier in some European Countries (Russia, Ukraine & Eastern Europe especially).

Although the application for a work permit is not guaranteed, Celtic would have a very
good idea if it would be accepted or rejected. Some players we think should be bought
may have no chance of getting a visa so we don't go for them.


If mizuno could get one, even if its by the skin of his teeth, then it could surely be done for a south/central american of a reasonable pedigree. Eboue was playing in Russia so not sure if that would make it easier. Even Rogic got one and i don't think hed even been a pro that long.

I think its more to do with lack of scouts and attention in the region, more than anything visa related as the reason why we dont sign many players from there. Maybe the fact juninho and Rafael never done well plays a part in it but it really shouldn't.
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12 Apr 2017, 03:43 PM
ballbhoy
12 Apr 2017, 03:38 PM
Just add a few wee random snippets of information.

Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. Gives an indication of how serious we are taking the final push of the season. No one is allowed access unless Brendan knows about it. I believe a few of youth games have been moved elsewhere.

The treble is not allowed to be mentioned. Journalists have been pre-warned and players have been told not to answer questions on it.
'Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. '

Any idea why they're doing that? Especially given that they're training at Celtic Park on Friday
I'd imagine Friday will be a light hearted session - nothing too serious. Would also think that in lead up to a game at the weekend the Friday session will be less intensive.

Can only guess that the lock down at Lennoxtown is to practice on set-pieces, formations, drills and tactics specific to the Rangers game.
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ballbhoy
12 Apr 2017, 03:38 PM
Just add a few wee random snippets of information.

Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. Gives an indication of how serious we are taking the final push of the season. No one is allowed access unless Brendan knows about it. I believe a few of youth games have been moved elsewhere.

The treble is not allowed to be mentioned. Journalists have been pre-warned and players have been told not to answer questions on it.
'Lennoxtown is currently in lock down and will remain so until after the Rangers game. '

Any idea why they're doing that? Especially given that they're training at Celtic Park on Friday
I'd imagine Friday will be a light hearted session - nothing too serious. Would also think that in lead up to a game at the weekend the Friday session will be less intensive.

Can only guess that the lock down at Lennoxtown is to practice on set-pieces, formations, drills and tactics specific to the Rangers game.
:thumbsup:

Hopefully we'll take no prisoners against them. I want that game done by half-time.
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Yes, the ones that have been bought for a fair wedge of cash by the likes of Shakhtar and are on megabucks, usually do. (Douglas Costa, Willian, Brandao, Luis Adriano, etc) Since 2010 Shakhtar have spent over €100m on Brazilian players and would be paying them vast salaries. We won't be shopping in that same department.

To get anyone of real talent from that area, without the big clubs knowing about them, would be very difficult. Then there's player's ownership, agent's fees, etc, that usually arise and it would be a right sore head for the club. I just think there would be better value in other parts of the world.
Absolute garbage. Lots of cheap Brazilian buys all over Europe that make an impact.
And they usually score into us when we play in Europe. There must be loads- Alan, Neymar, Elber, Juninho, Sonny Anderson, Lucio guy that played with Beer Sheva, Luisao, Brandao, Wamberto, Ronaldinho, Derlei and Kaka spring to mind
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I love it, lennoxtown in lockdown. After the last Sevco game it's obvious he's taking no chances and will make sure there is a performance against the Orks.
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I love it, lennoxtown in lockdown. After the last Sevco game it's obvious he's taking no chances and will make sure there is a performance against the Orks.
This week practicing with 10 men, next week 9 or 8 since Gollum is going to be the ref :ph43r:
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