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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,102 Views)
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marcat
14 Mar 2017, 05:54 PM
Don't agree with the view that putting on Griffiths was a major error, if the ref had done his job fairly, a penalty is given, or Griffiths scores, goal / penalty conversion means we would be celebrating another win.

The tactics would have worked perfectly if others did the professional job they were paid to do.
Had we kept our shape in midfield we probably wouldn't have needed a second goal to win the game.
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marcat
14 Mar 2017, 05:54 PM
Don't agree with the view that putting on Griffiths was a major error, if the ref had done his job fairly, a penalty is given, or Griffiths scores, goal / penalty conversion means we would be celebrating another win.

The tactics would have worked perfectly if others did the professional job they were paid to do.
Had we kept our shape in midfield we probably wouldn't have needed a second goal to win the game.
True but surely its not unreasonable to expect officials to do their job. The shape would have worked if Madden was honest. :thumbsup:
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When Armstrong went off he could have brought on Simunovic and just seen the game out. We used that tactic against Beer Sheva and one or two other games early in the season and it helped get us over the line.
Said the same thing on the way home. Strachan would have played for a one nil if he felt we weren't at the races but that doesn't seem to be Rodgers style. We're the number one team in Scotland and with the gap at the top being so huge the risk for trying to nick a second was minimal/non existant.
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14 Mar 2017, 06:05 PM
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14 Mar 2017, 06:01 PM
marcat
14 Mar 2017, 05:54 PM
Don't agree with the view that putting on Griffiths was a major error, if the ref had done his job fairly, a penalty is given, or Griffiths scores, goal / penalty conversion means we would be celebrating another win.

The tactics would have worked perfectly if others did the professional job they were paid to do.
Had we kept our shape in midfield we probably wouldn't have needed a second goal to win the game.
True but surely its not unreasonable to expect officials to do their job. The shape would have worked if Madden was honest. :thumbsup:
It wouldn't have been pretty. I think we did have too many attacking players on and we lost our balance, don't think we'll play as poorly again this season. Lots to play for.
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14 Mar 2017, 06:05 PM
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14 Mar 2017, 06:01 PM
marcat
14 Mar 2017, 05:54 PM
Don't agree with the view that putting on Griffiths was a major error, if the ref had done his job fairly, a penalty is given, or Griffiths scores, goal / penalty conversion means we would be celebrating another win.

The tactics would have worked perfectly if others did the professional job they were paid to do.
Had we kept our shape in midfield we probably wouldn't have needed a second goal to win the game.
True but surely its not unreasonable to expect officials to do their job. The shape would have worked if Madden was honest. :thumbsup:
Really? Do people on here really think we get a fair shout against the Zombies?
First thing big Jock did against them, was to bin the old Bob Kelly adage that we don't retaliate! In fact we evidently we kicked feck out of them in the first few games,but they got the message!
MON lost/was cheated in his first visit to the Bigotdome and went out and bought NFL and big Vega, we kicked feck out of them at Hampdump in the LCSF and then at the Bigotdome.
That's the way to be certain of things, have some guys that know the score and can look after themselves. Presently we only have Brown in that category.
Brendan talks about playing with aggression but we didn't see much of that on Sunday!
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Aye I think bringing Griffiths on for Armstrong was the wrong decision. If Eboue wasn't ready to come on as a sub, then he shouldn't have been on the bench (unless Henderson was injured maybe). We weren't playing well at that point, but we weren't in any real danger or pressure either. We started being really wasteful in possession and punting long balls out the park when we changed formation. Also stopped picking up second balls. Rodgers subs have got us many results this season, I think he got that one wrong though. In fairness injuries to Rogic, Armstrong and Bitton didn't leave him too much room to manoeuvre, and players individual performances didn't help either,
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Has he been sacked yet?

Some people are really taking this badly!

The Huns are celebrating like they have won the fecking Champions League!
Edited by adbhoy, 14 Mar 2017, 11:08 PM.
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True but surely its not unreasonable to expect officials to do their job. The shape would have worked if Madden was honest. :thumbsup:
Really? Do people on here really think we get a fair shout against the Zombies?
First thing big Jock did against them, was to bin the old Bob Kelly adage that we don't retaliate! In fact we evidently we kicked feck out of them in the first few games,but they got the message!
MON lost/was cheated in his first visit to the Bigotdome and went out and bought NFL and big Vega, we kicked feck out of them at Hampdump in the LCSF and then at the Bigotdome.
That's the way to be certain of things, have some guys that know the score and can look after themselves. Presently we only have Brown in that category.
Brendan talks about playing with aggression but we didn't see much of that on Sunday!
The point I am making is that we don't get a fair shout. We should be able to expect honesty from officials but we don't get it.
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14 Mar 2017, 11:08 PM
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14 Mar 2017, 10:33 PM
marcat
14 Mar 2017, 06:05 PM

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Really? Do people on here really think we get a fair shout against the Zombies?
First thing big Jock did against them, was to bin the old Bob Kelly adage that we don't retaliate! In fact we evidently we kicked feck out of them in the first few games,but they got the message!
MON lost/was cheated in his first visit to the Bigotdome and went out and bought NFL and big Vega, we kicked feck out of them at Hampdump in the LCSF and then at the Bigotdome.
That's the way to be certain of things, have some guys that know the score and can look after themselves. Presently we only have Brown in that category.
Brendan talks about playing with aggression but we didn't see much of that on Sunday!
The point I am making is that we don't get a fair shout. We should be able to expect honesty from officials but we don't get it.
Point is that it has always been this way and we need to the correct steps to counteract the biased refs and thuggish opponents.
Personally I favour the old school approach of guys like Matt Busby who once famously told Paddy Crerend that he could do far more damage with his feet than he could with his fists, this after Paddy got himself sent off for punching someone who kicked him!
All our really great teams could both play and stand up for themselves. The nice footballers under McGrory, Burns and Mowbray could play but were too easily out muscled.
Brendan has resources so far ahead of the rest that until now we have been able to out play the kickers at Aberdeen and Mortherwell. Sunday it didn't work, the semi final will show if we have guys capable of standing up to the physical stuff and a bent ref :lol:
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If the referee had done his job properly Celtic would have got a deserved win - and as it was Griffiths that was hauled down for the penalty we'd be saying the substitution worked in the end.

The fact is we played our worst game of the season and they played their best and they managed to snatch a draw, that would have been out of their reach but for the officials failing to send off their players.

Said it many a time, a ref doesn't need to give a penalty to them or anything so obvious, just do enough to keep them in the game until their one chance inevitable comes when it's only 1-0. (Although he did have to resort to the obvious in the last minute with the non penalty decision).

Celtic are a better team than them with a better run club, more money, better individuals, and a better management team. But anything can happen in football including a below par performance from some of your best men.

Jim Craig said recently that when fans look at the teams and we clearly have better players, they'll say, 'we'll definitely win this'. His answer is always the same. 'If everyone turns up, we'll win it.'

He quoted Jock Stein who had said that in a team there were 8 men he could always rely on, every time. The other 3, it depended on their mood, their confidence, what's happening in their life, the size of the crowd, the pressure, a whole host of things.

Sometimes it made them rise up and they were brilliant, sometimes it got to them and their touch was heavy and they lost confidence as it went on.

Craig reckoned that Stein's observation was probably true of any 11 that runs out onto any pitch. This is why the wee teams occasionally pull off a shock, why Greece and Denmark can win competitions, why Celtic can beat Barcelona, and why the huns, as pish as they are, can get a point at Celtic Park.

They also had a new manager they'd have been busting a gut to impress - their jobs are at stake. Subconsciously, we may have been complacent, the subs could be argued were wrong, but even taking all that into account, it was still a game that we could have won two or three times over.

Semi-final should be interesting.
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looking forward to the verbal jousting at his press conference this week. I'm sure the questions will be more loaded than they usually are.
If he's still with us , of course, after that scandalous result at the weekend. :nono:
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So Brendan misses out on manager of month to... Paul Hartley ??
2 wins in 8 games ?? :cuckoo:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/dundee/results
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If the referee had done his job properly Celtic would have got a deserved win - and as it was Griffiths that was hauled down for the penalty we'd be saying the substitution worked in the end.

The fact is we played our worst game of the season and they played their best and they managed to snatch a draw, that would have been out of their reach but for the officials failing to send off their players.

Said it many a time, a ref doesn't need to give a penalty to them or anything so obvious, just do enough to keep them in the game until their one chance inevitable comes when it's only 1-0. (Although he did have to resort to the obvious in the last minute with the non penalty decision).

Celtic are a better team than them with a better run club, more money, better individuals, and a better management team. But anything can happen in football including a below par performance from some of your best men.

Jim Craig said recently that when fans look at the teams and we clearly have better players, they'll say, 'we'll definitely win this'. His answer is always the same. 'If everyone turns up, we'll win it.'

He quoted Jock Stein who had said that in a team there were 8 men he could always rely on, every time. The other 3, it depended on their mood, their confidence, what's happening in their life, the size of the crowd, the pressure, a whole host of things.

Sometimes it made them rise up and they were brilliant, sometimes it got to them and their touch was heavy and they lost confidence as it went on.

Craig reckoned that Stein's observation was probably true of any 11 that runs out onto any pitch. This is why the wee teams occasionally pull off a shock, why Greece and Denmark can win competitions, why Celtic can beat Barcelona, and why the huns, as pish as they are, can get a point at Celtic Park.

They also had a new manager they'd have been busting a gut to impress - their jobs are at stake. Subconsciously, we may have been complacent, the subs could be argued were wrong, but even taking all that into account, it was still a game that we could have won two or three times over.

Semi-final should be interesting.
That's all very true, I think we will hump them in the semi.

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Don't agree with that.

We were poor and they had stuck to their game plan fairly well. Honestly felt that they were deserving of the draw.
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So Brendan misses out on manager of month to... Paul Hartley ??
2 wins in 8 games ?? :cuckoo:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/dundee/results
Loaf won manager of the year. This doesn't surprise me.
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15 Mar 2017, 11:44 AM
If the referee had done his job properly Celtic would have got a deserved win - and as it was Griffiths that was hauled down for the penalty we'd be saying the substitution worked in the end.

The fact is we played our worst game of the season and they played their best and they managed to snatch a draw, that would have been out of their reach but for the officials failing to send off their players.

Said it many a time, a ref doesn't need to give a penalty to them or anything so obvious, just do enough to keep them in the game until their one chance inevitable comes when it's only 1-0. (Although he did have to resort to the obvious in the last minute with the non penalty decision).

Celtic are a better team than them with a better run club, more money, better individuals, and a better management team. But anything can happen in football including a below par performance from some of your best men.

Jim Craig said recently that when fans look at the teams and we clearly have better players, they'll say, 'we'll definitely win this'. His answer is always the same. 'If everyone turns up, we'll win it.'

He quoted Jock Stein who had said that in a team there were 8 men he could always rely on, every time. The other 3, it depended on their mood, their confidence, what's happening in their life, the size of the crowd, the pressure, a whole host of things.

Sometimes it made them rise up and they were brilliant, sometimes it got to them and their touch was heavy and they lost confidence as it went on.

Craig reckoned that Stein's observation was probably true of any 11 that runs out onto any pitch. This is why the wee teams occasionally pull off a shock, why Greece and Denmark can win competitions, why Celtic can beat Barcelona, and why the huns, as pish as they are, can get a point at Celtic Park.

They also had a new manager they'd have been busting a gut to impress - their jobs are at stake. Subconsciously, we may have been complacent, the subs could be argued were wrong, but even taking all that into account, it was still a game that we could have won two or three times over.

Semi-final should be interesting.
That's all very true, I think we will hump them in the semi.

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Celtic would have got a deserved win


Don't agree with that.

We were poor and they had stuck to their game plan fairly well. Honestly felt that they were deserving of the draw.
Fair dos, they possibly did for still battling for it to the end. Think I might have said the same in the immediate aftermath.

After thinking about it and watching highlights again, on the balance of play, possession, chances, shots at goal/on target and the fact they should have had two off and a penalty against them, it could be argued that we would have deserved it.

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Lee Congerton in - http://www.celticfc.net/news/12242
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Now that Brendan has got another of his men in Lee Congerton in as Head of Recruitment do all the lurkers still believe he is for the off at the end of the season?

He is building at Celtic - Get used to it.

Aye and if you are lurking - As ever "Roon Ye" :lolhuns:
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Now that Brendan has got another of his men in Lee Congerton in as Head of Recruitment do all the lurkers still believe he is for the off at the end of the season?

He is building at Celtic - Get used to it.

Aye and if you are lurking - As ever "Roon Ye" :lolhuns:
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Interesting but critical article on Congerton.
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15 Mar 2017, 05:20 PM
Interesting but critical article on Congerton.
What's "critical" ffs ?

It's a Sunderland blogger who doesn't like the car crash scenario his club has even more become in recent years and is firing ammo - We drew against the almighty Sevco who have the best squad in Scotland apparently and yet we didn't like it and most on here including myself are firing a few arrows here and there.

I'd rather trust Brendan Rodgers's take on the guy.
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