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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,117 Views)
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I rate McGinn, but the issue is more how crowded that midfield area is and the raft of similar type of Scottish acquisitions (not necessarily all midfielders) over the last couple of years, of whom really only Armstrong has stepped forward. Mackay-Steven, Allan, Christie. Add Henderson coming back from a loan and McGregor, and I don't see much room, with Brown, Bitton, Kouassi and Rogic all in the mix too. Perhaps the one thing in McGinn's favour is that he is left footed, which we are currently a bit lacking in.

I don't doubt McGinn will have a good career and I reckon regardless of promotion Hibs will want to cash in this summer with him having two years left on his deal. If he doesn't extend by a year I think he'll be off. Think St Mirren stand to gain a fair wedge from any transfer fee.

The fact that people also like to use the label "Championship player" is idiotic and neither here nor there. As they proved on Wednesday night Hibs would comfortably pump a good half dozen of the top flight a lot of the time and be sitting mid table easily.
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24 Feb 2017, 12:41 PM
I rate McGinn, but the issue is more how crowded that midfield area is and the raft of similar type of Scottish acquisitions (not necessarily all midfielders) over the last couple of years, of whom really only Armstrong has stepped forward. Mackay-Steven, Allan, Christie. Add Henderson coming back from a loan and McGregor, and I don't see much room, with Brown, Bitton, Kouassi and Rogic all in the mix too. Perhaps the one thing in McGinn's favour is that he is left footed, which we are currently a bit lacking in.

I don't doubt McGinn will have a good career and I reckon regardless of promotion Hibs will want to cash in this summer with him having two years left on his deal. If he doesn't extend by a year I think he'll be off. Think St Mirren stand to gain a fair wedge from any transfer fee.

The fact that people also like to use the label "Championship player" is idiotic and neither here nor there. As they proved on Wednesday night Hibs would comfortably pump a good half dozen of the top flight a lot of the time and be sitting mid table easily.
I agree with most of this.

Not every signing will be a Dembele or a Sinclair. When we've been successful in the past under MON WGS and Lennon we've signed players from other Scottish teams as squad players some of which have exceeded expectations and became mainstrays and European players.

I don't doubt most of our signings will either come from down south or overseas and will be more high profile then they have been in a number of years but if there's a gap in the squad that needs filled I still think we'll be looking at the domestic scene. McGinn is one of only a few players who could potentially make that step up but as you say we're pretty stacked in the midfield area.
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There isn't one player from any other SPFL side who'd make our first team squad.

Move along now.
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I like McGinn but as others have said he should stay at hibs to give them a boost for the fight for 2nd place next season
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24 Feb 2017, 02:51 AM

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Or maybe the manager, if he does sign, believes he can make the step up? :o Imagine that. John McGinn is an excellent player and I hope we sign him. I'm pretty sure Brendan has a little clue as to what he's doing.
He's not excellent at all.

If, and I stress if, we signed him he would be replacing Henderson or McGregor as a squad player. That's about it.
He's better than both and given how many games McGregor in particular has played then on that basis alone it's worth doing.
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24 Feb 2017, 01:39 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 12:06 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 12:02 PM

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He's not excellent at all.

If, and I stress if, we signed him he would be replacing Henderson or McGregor as a squad player. That's about it.
He's better than both and given how many games McGregor in particular has played then on that basis alone it's worth doing.
McGregor has arguably played because we hadn't already signed Eboue, so now that we have it might be that McGregor is nowhere near the first 11. I like McGinn, but he'd undoubtedly be a squad player if he came here and the best thing that he can do for his development is to play every week. I'm not sure he's noticeably better than McGregor either.
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I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
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24 Feb 2017, 01:16 PM
There isn't one player from any other SPFL side who'd make our first team squad.

Move along now.
McGinn plays in the championship
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24 Feb 2017, 02:09 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 01:16 PM
There isn't one player from any other SPFL side who'd make our first team squad.

Move along now.
McGinn plays in the championship
Which is part of the SPFL.
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Ricky Spanish
24 Feb 2017, 02:09 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 01:16 PM
There isn't one player from any other SPFL side who'd make our first team squad.

Move along now.
McGinn plays in the championship
The SPFL is the name for the league structure. The top division is the Premiership.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
We need squad depth and a decent group of players to choose from.

McGinn (and Crawford) wouldn't be bad additions. They're good players who would improve in our squad and under Rodgers.

As for the SPFL naysayers, theres plenty quality in this division that would make it at Celtic.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
We need squad depth and a decent group of players to choose from.

McGinn (and Crawford) wouldn't be bad additions. They're good players who would improve in our squad and under Rodgers.

As for the SPFL naysayers, theres plenty quality in this division that would make it at Celtic.
Ali Crawford? :rubeyes: :rubeyes:

Not a chance.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:18 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 02:15 PM
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
We need squad depth and a decent group of players to choose from.

McGinn (and Crawford) wouldn't be bad additions. They're good players who would improve in our squad and under Rodgers.

As for the SPFL naysayers, theres plenty quality in this division that would make it at Celtic.
Ali Crawford? :rubeyes: :rubeyes:

Not a chance.
Been tentatively linked with the Huns so some roasters will want us to sign him. Old habits die hard, it seems.
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24 Feb 2017, 09:54 AM
What are the chances of one of our players getting red-carded now?
I know it's bad but ffs we're no even playing.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
On this, I agree in that he offers more than McGregor. I dont think mcgregor will improve any more - I think mcginn has levels to go still.

But, I think Henderson is a star in the making. There's been games recently where he's came on and changed them. His passing into the channels from MF is excellent.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Kid's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
This is exactly it. You can't fill the squad out with players like Dembele or Sinclair, for purely financial reasons if nothing else. You also can't do it because there's a very good chance, like with Forster, Wanyama and Van Dijk, they'll eventually move on.

The squad will always need to carry players like Brown, Lustig and (hopefully) Gordon who are squad regulars over a longer period of time. Forrest, McGregor and Henderson come into this category. In years gone by it's been Commons, Izaguirre and Mulgrew. This is also why talk of moving Griffiths always kind of baffles me. Simply for continuity's sake we surely need players who have shown they can perform for us, but won't necessarily move on from us because we are about their ceiling (at their peak).

The interesting thing about McGinn might be Armstrong's contractual situation. He has a year left come June, and while all the talk appears to be about getting Gordon signed up on a new deal, I don't hear any talk about Armstrong signing a new deal. I don't think we would be stupid enough not to do business for Armstrong this summer should he not sign a new deal. That might free up a spot in midfield.
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Ali Crawford? :rubeyes: :rubeyes:

Not a chance.
Been tentatively linked with the Huns so some roasters will want us to sign him. Old habits die hard, it seems.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:18 PM

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Been tentatively linked with the Huns so some roasters will want us to sign him. Old habits die hard, it seems.
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So you are agreeing you're a roaster then? :lol:
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
Exactly.
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24 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
I never cease to be astonished at how "squad player" is thrown around as an insult. We need a squad, FFS! McGinn is a good young player who, for my money, offers more than either McGregor or Henderson, and I like Liam. I also think he'd offer more than Bitton, who maybe has more talent but doesn't apply it as often as he should. Having said that, you'd expect Ebouie to be Nir's replacement.

I think Brendan maybe sees McGinn as Broonie's natural replacement. We'll see.
Agree with this. Especially the last paragraph.
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