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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
It's cost us 2 points.

We're still in the Cup
We're in the Champions League despite having to negotiate qualifiers early/mid window with guys like Ambrose/O Connell and with Sviatchenko out for nearly all them.
We're 8 points clear in the League if we win our game in hand having played the top four teams in the division.
Rodgers has been here 12 weeks.

Like I said It's only 14 domestic games ago we got beat in the Semi Final under Ronny. Criticism may be due if this remains a long term problem and Rodgers doesn't address it in the next windows.


2 points we shouldn't have dropped.

I'm loving this season so far, the improvement in such a short space of time is outstanding but no one's exempt from criticism. His tactics against Barca were awful and domestically our MF offers little to no cover to our defence. Valid criticisms and ones that need adressed badly.
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It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
it's not necessarily about our defending.

We tend to overcommit bodies forward and leave ourselves exposed at the back when we need to find the balance of being able to close a game down and see it out. We are blessed with good wide players and should be using them to full effect particularly in the latter stages of games we are winning.
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Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
it's not necessarily about our defending.

We tend to overcommit bodies forward and leave ourselves exposed at the back when we need to find the balance of being able to close a game down and see it out. We are blessed with good wide players and should be using them to full effect particularly in the latter stages of games we are winning.
It's the quality of the midfield.
Sharper, smarter, quicker midfielders would spot danger, and close down space.
The guys we have at present can't do that.

No 'toughening up' will change that.
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The more I watch how we play, the more I am convinced one of our "big money" guys needs to be a keeper.
Top notch keepers are few and far between and yet they are invaluable and should have money spent on getting a good one if necessary which in our sceanrio is the case now.

I think we will still go with the defensive midfielder being the top priority - They may try and unearth another Forster or similar scenario for the keeper whereby a club has good keepers and is prepared to let a good young one go at a decent but not ridiculous price - Hopefully Rodgers or his contacts can come into play there ands if the selling club fires in future selling "add ons" then PL has to go with the flow on it.

Look at what Forster cost and the return we got in the points he saved us let alone the dosh he brought in by defying the likes of Barca and that is before you sell him for megabucks by our standards.
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It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

2 shutouts in 13 is not criticism for the sake of it.
Correct.
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It's cost us 2 points.

We're still in the Cup
We're in the Champions League despite having to negotiate qualifiers early/mid window with guys like Ambrose/O Connell and with Sviatchenko out for nearly all them.
We're 8 points clear in the League if we win our game in hand having played the top four teams in the division.
Rodgers has been here 12 weeks.

Like I said It's only 14 domestic games ago we got beat in the Semi Final under Ronny. Criticism may be due if this remains a long term problem and Rodgers doesn't address it in the next windows.


So should criticism of the defence be shelved for now because the team has been successful (because of our attack) to date?
Has to be relative considering conditions, situations and improvement in the side in such a short time.

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So should criticism of the defence be shelved for now because the team has been successful (because of our attack) to date?
Has to be relative considering conditions, situations and improvement in the side in such a short time.

I agree :thumbsup:
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We've also thumped every team that's came to Celtic Park in a competitive game this season apart from Astana, think every other one has been a win by at least 3 goals?
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If we have the same problems in 18 months time then fair enough, but not now.
Managers are always open to criticism, no one's writing him off but, as it stands, we're poor defensively. Deila had Brown and Bitton shielding the DF superbly in his first season. If Rodgers can do the same we'll keep plenty of clean sheets again.
It is obvious that defence is an issue, but I am not expecting major improvement until at least January. Midfield is giving the defence no protection, heaping extra pressure on them.

If we do improve in the interim then great, but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while longer.
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it's not necessarily about our defending.

We tend to overcommit bodies forward and leave ourselves exposed at the back when we need to find the balance of being able to close a game down and see it out. We are blessed with good wide players and should be using them to full effect particularly in the latter stages of games we are winning.
It's the quality of the midfield.
Sharper, smarter, quicker midfielders would spot danger, and close down space.
The guys we have at present can't do that.

No 'toughening up' will change that.
We only have two central midfielders with three attacking midfielders. It's not simply about the midfield.

It's the shape of the team in general and the fact we continue to try and force the game at times when we are already in control.

Brown has been playing well so adding one more quality player isn't going to address the situation. The management have identified the issues, let's hope they can address it, in the coming weeks.
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Bit too late to play him at centre half. ;)
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Bit too late to play him at centre half. ;)
We could turn him into a defensive midfielder though!
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it's not necessarily about our defending.

We tend to overcommit bodies forward and leave ourselves exposed at the back when we need to find the balance of being able to close a game down and see it out. We are blessed with good wide players and should be using them to full effect particularly in the latter stages of games we are winning.
It's the quality of the midfield.
Sharper, smarter, quicker midfielders would spot danger, and close down space.
The guys we have at present can't do that.

No 'toughening up' will change that.
They do need to toughen up, the defence need to follow Toure's lead, he hates conceding goals and I've seen him celebrate stopping chances. We need to be mean at the back and in CM, the manager needs to drill that into them.
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Rodgers had the worst goals against ratio of any Liverpool manager since the war. He also had the best goals for ratio.

I'm sure our defending will improve but I don't expect us to set any clean sheet records while he is here.
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am hoping that Rodgers looks to improve us continuously during his time here and also he is given the funds to do so. Don`t want to see the team plateau and for the board to say "right we are good enough to win everything domestically"...hopefully this is something that was discussed in detail before Rodgers took the job and one of his main objectives is getting the team to keep getting better as time goes by..if he achieves this then we will be streets ahead of everyone in Scotland...although we have started really well there are obvious imrovements needed within the team for us to be able to put up some sort of solid show in Europe..i would imagine our existing squad would be more than good enough domestically but would like to think that both Rodgers and the board would not be satisfied with this
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It's the quality of the midfield.
Sharper, smarter, quicker midfielders would spot danger, and close down space.
The guys we have at present can't do that.

No 'toughening up' will change that.
They do need to toughen up, the defence need to follow Toure's lead, he hates conceding goals and I've seen him celebrate stopping chances. We need to be mean at the back and in CM, the manager needs to drill that into them.
I don't hold out much hope of his being able to drill defensive awareness into Bitton and McGregor.
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It's the quality of the midfield.
Sharper, smarter, quicker midfielders would spot danger, and close down space.
The guys we have at present can't do that.

No 'toughening up' will change that.
We only have two central midfielders with three attacking midfielders. It's not simply about the midfield.

It's the shape of the team in general and the fact we continue to try and force the game at times when we are already in control.

Brown has been playing well so adding one more quality player isn't going to address the situation. The management have identified the issues, let's hope they can address it, in the coming weeks.
Of course bringing in a better quality midfielder would address the situation.
MON brought in Lennon after we lost 5-1 at Ibrox.
It never happened again.
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We only have two central midfielders with three attacking midfielders. It's not simply about the midfield.

It's the shape of the team in general and the fact we continue to try and force the game at times when we are already in control.

Brown has been playing well so adding one more quality player isn't going to address the situation. The management have identified the issues, let's hope they can address it, in the coming weeks.
Of course bringing in a better quality midfielder would address the situation.
MON brought in Lennon after we lost 5-1 at Ibrox.
It never happened again.
Especially as there is a transfer window now
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Of course bringing in a better quality midfielder would address the situation.
MON brought in Lennon after we lost 5-1 at Ibrox.
It never happened again.
Especially as there is a transfer window now
Exactly.
BR's had one transfer window to shape his team.
Strachan had 3 before facing CL football, Lennon 5.

Well ahead of schedule.
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