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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,245 Views)
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Here come the Kerrydale coaching experts to advise Brendan how to do his job. I'm sure he's reading and taking notes in his wee jotter.

Honeymoon period over.
It's hardly a huge secret that his defensive organisation is highly questionable. It's partly the reason I'd have taken Moyes at the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted we've got Rodgers, and going forward we're several levels above anything else in Scotland. However there's a gaping hole that seems to be part of all Rodgers teams.

His best season defensively was the season he got Swansea promoted. 42 goals conceded in 46 games. His worst being 51 in 38, granted that's his first PL season, but.

We look more or less on course for the usual +1 goal-a-game average, which is a concern as we simply won't be putting 2 and 3 past teams every week. I thought being Celtic and the fact there's only a select handful of teams that actually try to attack us, we'd naturally see more clean sheets than his in his England stint. That doesn't look like the case, sadly.
I think he needs a little time.

With a back four of Lustig - Toure - Sviatchenko - Tierney we should be able to keep out most teams.

Our problem lies in midfield.
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Our defence have very little protection from midfield and it's far too easy to get at them.
A good holding midfield player would make a difference

And a keeper
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Our defence have very little protection from midfield and it's far too easy to get at them.
A good holding midfield player would make a difference

And a keeper
Yup. Failure to land a central midfielder who could walk in to the team the way Sinclair, Dembele and Toure have was a big miss in the transfer window. And it looks like DeVries might have been a misstep (though none of us were arguing to keep Gordon indefinitely). Overall, however, Rodgers' short tenure so far has been very, very enjoyable.
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Here come the Kerrydale coaching experts to advise Brendan how to do his job. I'm sure he's reading and taking notes in his wee jotter.

Honeymoon period over.
It's hardly a huge secret that his defensive organisation is highly questionable. It's partly the reason I'd have taken Moyes at the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted we've got Rodgers, and going forward we're several levels above anything else in Scotland. However there's a gaping hole that seems to be part of all Rodgers teams.
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His best season defensively was the season he got Swansea promoted. 42 goals conceded in 46 games. His worst being 51 in 38, granted that's his first PL season, but.

We look more or less on course for the usual +1 goal-a-game average, which is a concern as we simply won't be putting 2 and 3 past teams every week. I thought being Celtic and the fact there's only a select handful of teams that actually try to attack us, we'd naturally see more clean sheets than his in his England stint. That doesn't look like the case, sadly.
I think he needs a little time.

With a back four of Lustig - Toure - Sviatchenko - Tierney we should be able to keep out most teams.

Our problem lies in midfield.
Can't stress enough how important a good goalkeeper is to the defence in general. Our problems are in goal and central midfield imo
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19 Sep 2016, 08:30 PM
Here come the Kerrydale coaching experts to advise Brendan how to do his job. I'm sure he's reading and taking notes in his wee jotter.

Honeymoon period over.
It's hardly a huge secret that his defensive organisation is highly questionable. It's partly the reason I'd have taken Moyes at the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted we've got Rodgers, and going forward we're several levels above anything else in Scotland. However there's a gaping hole that seems to be part of all Rodgers teams.

His best season defensively was the season he got Swansea promoted. 42 goals conceded in 46 games. His worst being 51 in 38, granted that's his first PL season, but.

We look more or less on course for the usual +1 goal-a-game average, which is a concern as we simply won't be putting 2 and 3 past teams every week. I thought being Celtic and the fact there's only a select handful of teams that actually try to attack us, we'd naturally see more clean sheets than his in his England stint. That doesn't look like the case, sadly.
I suggest you watch a few Sunderland games. Moyes would have been a dour and boring appointment and that's what our football would have been under his command
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I think he needs a little time.

With a back four of Lustig - Toure - Sviatchenko - Tierney we should be able to keep out most teams.

Our problem lies in midfield.
Can't stress enough how important a good goalkeeper is to the defence in general. Our problems are in goal and central midfield imo
Agreed re both positions. If only those Vorm rumours had been true :cry:
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20 Sep 2016, 12:33 PM
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We should have went for Moyes. We'd still let in goals and be boring as shampoo.

Give the guy some effing time holy mother of eff. We're what 5 clear with a game in hand, he dragged this sorry bunch of arseholes into the CL after getting about 7 weeks with them, cuffed the top four in our league including stuffing the huns 5-1.

It's the 20th of September. He's had one window in which he had to sort out the calamity we were in. I'm sure he'll have plans for the defence but he's rightly identified that in Scotland it's less of a priority than how good you are going forward. Something he's certainly address quickly and well.

:thumbsup:

People are absolutely desperate to moan at something, it's mental. Not even saying that the defence isn't an issue or that we'll need to be better in Europe but we're probably still 2 or 3 signings away from being the team he wants us to be. This is just the beginning.
:thumbsup:

If we have the same problems in 18 months time then fair enough, but not now.
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We should have went for Moyes. We'd still let in goals and be boring as shampoo.

Give the guy some effing time holy mother of eff. We're what 5 clear with a game in hand, he dragged this sorry bunch of arseholes into the CL after getting about 7 weeks with them, cuffed the top four in our league including stuffing the huns 5-1.

It's the 20th of September. He's had one window in which he had to sort out the calamity we were in. I'm sure he'll have plans for the defence but he's rightly identified that in Scotland it's less of a priority than how good you are going forward. Something he's certainly address quickly and well.

:thumbsup:

People are absolutely desperate to moan at something, it's mental. Not even saying that the defence isn't an issue or that we'll need to be better in Europe but we're probably still 2 or 3 signings away from being the team he wants us to be. This is just the beginning.
:thumbsup:

If we have the same problems in 18 months time then fair enough, but not now.
Managers are always open to criticism, no one's writing him off but, as it stands, we're poor defensively. Deila had Brown and Bitton shielding the DF superbly in his first season. If Rodgers can do the same we'll keep plenty of clean sheets again.
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Deila had VVD and Denayer stepping out and into midfield and arguably playing better linking football than the two guys in front of them. Our current crop of CBs are more defensive minded and need central mids that can screen AND play.
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If we have the same problems in 18 months time then fair enough, but not now.
Managers are always open to criticism, no one's writing him off but, as it stands, we're poor defensively. Deila had Brown and Bitton shielding the DF superbly in his first season. If Rodgers can do the same we'll keep plenty of clean sheets again.
It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

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Managers are always open to criticism, no one's writing him off but, as it stands, we're poor defensively. Deila had Brown and Bitton shielding the DF superbly in his first season. If Rodgers can do the same we'll keep plenty of clean sheets again.
It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

2 shutouts in 13 is not criticism for the sake of it.
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Managers are always open to criticism, no one's writing him off but, as it stands, we're poor defensively. Deila had Brown and Bitton shielding the DF superbly in his first season. If Rodgers can do the same we'll keep plenty of clean sheets again.
It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
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Here come the Kerrydale coaching experts to advise Brendan how to do his job. I'm sure he's reading and taking notes in his wee jotter.

Honeymoon period over.
Aye, what a disgrace to discuss football beyond 'goal good' and 'no goal bad' eh?

Fully aware that Rodgers has forgotten more about the game than I'll ever know. Doesn't mean that problems don't exist. As Remy says above, 2 clean sheets in 13 is worth critiquing. Even analyzing.

Brendan is just in the door so you expect a lack of cohesion in how we play. But, it's merely a repeat of what his teams have produced in the past. That's not a critique, because every team has pros and cons, but would be shocked if we ever become a consistently solid team defensively. Rodgers simply wants to attack too much. He's not naive, it's the con of the kind of football he wants to play. Given our squad will likely have high turnover same as the majority of other clubs, I'd wager it would be pretty tough to always have a team that is both exciting to watch and solid at the back.

If he manages that then fantastic, but I won't be shocked if we've always got a bit of a clanger in us.
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It's the 20th of September, as it stands. Rodgers is just in the door, has had a revolving centre half pairings .

Criticism for criticisms sake.

Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
It's cost us 2 points.

We're still in the Cup
We're in the Champions League despite having to negotiate qualifiers early/mid window with guys like Ambrose/O Connell and with Sviatchenko out for nearly all them.
We're 8 points clear in the League if we win our game in hand having played the top four teams in the division.
Rodgers has been here 12 weeks.

Like I said It's only 14 domestic games ago we got beat in the Semi Final under Ronny. Criticism may be due if this remains a long term problem and Rodgers doesn't address it in the next windows.


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Our defence have very little protection from midfield and it's far too easy to get at them.
A good holding midfield player would make a difference

And a keeper
Should never play a two man midfield (ie Brown and McGregor) away at grounds where the challenge is mainly going to be physical (ie ICT, Ross County, St Johnstone) always start with a three and then as the game goes on and hopefully the hammer throwers tire then change the system later in the game to a 2 if need be.
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Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
It's cost us 2 points.

We're still in the Cup
We're in the Champions League despite having to negotiate qualifiers early/mid window with guys like Ambrose/O Connell and with Sviatchenko out for nearly all them.
We're 8 points clear in the League if we win our game in hand having played the top four teams in the division.
Rodgers has been here 12 weeks.

Like I said It's only 14 domestic games ago we got beat in the Semi Final under Ronny. Criticism may be due if this remains a long term problem and Rodgers doesn't address it in the next windows.


So should criticism of the defence be shelved for now because the team has been successful (because of our attack) to date?
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Criticism because our defending, as a team, is poor and cost us 2 points at the weekend and got us mauled in midweek. I'm not overly worried but we need toughen up big time.
It's cost us 2 points.

We're still in the Cup
We're in the Champions League despite having to negotiate qualifiers early/mid window with guys like Ambrose/O Connell and with Sviatchenko out for nearly all them.
We're 8 points clear in the League if we win our game in hand having played the top four teams in the division.
Rodgers has been here 12 weeks.

Like I said It's only 14 domestic games ago we got beat in the Semi Final under Ronny. Criticism may be due if this remains a long term problem and Rodgers doesn't address it in the next windows.


Agree
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The more I watch how we play, the more I am convinced one of our "big money" guys needs to be a keeper.
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The more I watch how we play, the more I am convinced one of our "big money" guys needs to be a keeper.
Defensive mid for me a la Wanyama. We could have de Gea between the sticks but if there's no protection of the defence then it's all for nothing.

Ideally we would actually sign Wanyama and de Gea! :pray:
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The more I watch how we play, the more I am convinced one of our "big money" guys needs to be a keeper.
Defensive mid for me a la Wanyama. We could have de Gea between the sticks but if there's no protection of the defence then it's all for nothing.

Ideally we would actually sign Wanyama and de Gea! :pray:
Goalkeeper every time.
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