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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,247 Views)
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needs to stop the lustig at CB experiment :ffs:
The last two weird posts I've read have both been from you.

Lustig had a good game.
weird really, you play players in their best position. lustig done ok at CB but gamboa didnt at rb and allowed someone a shot to score. lustig should play in his best position at RB and a CB should come in for toure.
We had a CB in there and Lustig at RB when we conceded the second equaliser. Said CB was presumably not started because he is just returning from injury. There is also debate about whether O'Connell is good enough.

Players do seem to becoming even better than usual when they are not playing. During the week I even saw some suggesting McGregor should have played against Barca as he would have at least showed for the ball. Today, he is being criticised for his wastefulness (correctly) against ICT.
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Our movement on and off the ball getting better. Today again moving at pace and plenty of options. love what Brendan has done in such a short period of time. It's exciting again. Looking forward to every game these days
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weird really, you play players in their best position. lustig done ok at CB but gamboa didnt at rb and allowed someone a shot to score. lustig should play in his best position at RB and a CB should come in for toure.
We had a CB in there and Lustig at RB when we conceded the second equaliser. Said CB was presumably not started because he is just returning from injury. There is also debate about whether O'Connell is good enough.

Players do seem to becoming even better than usual when they are not playing. During the week I even saw some suggesting McGregor should have played against Barca as he would have at least showed for the ball. Today, he is being criticised for his wastefulness (correctly) against ICT.
i will ignore the tangent the 2nd part of that post goes off on :ponder:

the 1st goal comes from gamboa not marking and allowing king all the room in the world to pick the ball up and get a good 5 yard run on him. Lustig being our best RB wouldnt have given king the space.

Lustig if memory serves has started 3 games at CB this season we have conceeded 11 goals in those 3 games and the majority have been down to the RB's in those games being poor, lustig in those games has been ok at CB. We are making the RB position weak by playing him at CB he should always if fit be starting at RB and making the defence stronger.
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18 Sep 2016, 05:42 PM
Our movement on and off the ball getting better. Today again moving at pace and plenty of options. love what Brendan has done in such a short period of time. It's exciting again. Looking forward to every game these days
Aye me too.

The defence has barely improved though (Toure aside) and the same weaknesses remain. There are very valid questions marks about Rodgers' Celtic as a defensive unit. Its ok when we can hammer teams 4-5 nothing when we're on our A game. But we're going to have to defend as well. The remaining Champions League away games look very worrying indeed.

That said, he cant do everything at once and I'm so happy he's the Celtic manager. Onwards and upwards.
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We had a CB in there and Lustig at RB when we conceded the second equaliser. Said CB was presumably not started because he is just returning from injury. There is also debate about whether O'Connell is good enough.

Players do seem to becoming even better than usual when they are not playing. During the week I even saw some suggesting McGregor should have played against Barca as he would have at least showed for the ball. Today, he is being criticised for his wastefulness (correctly) against ICT.
i will ignore the tangent the 2nd part of that post goes off on :ponder:

the 1st goal comes from gamboa not marking and allowing king all the room in the world to pick the ball up and get a good 5 yard run on him. Lustig being our best RB wouldnt have given king the space.

Lustig if memory serves has started 3 games at CB this season we have conceeded 11 goals in those 3 games and the majority have been down to the RB's in those games being poor, lustig in those games has been ok at CB. We are making the RB position weak by playing him at CB he should always if fit be starting at RB and making the defence stronger.
When Toure is not starting because he is in need of a rest, who plays at CB? Jozo has been injured which is why I assume he did not start today. Should O'Connell have started at CB instead of Lustig? When our manager has played O'Connell he has been criticised for it. Can't win.

Lustig is an experienced defender which is probably why he has been the one moved in. I agree he should be at RB, but without Toure that leaves us with a problem in the centre. We have still to see if Jozo can stay fit to command a place.

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i will ignore the tangent the 2nd part of that post goes off on :ponder:

the 1st goal comes from gamboa not marking and allowing king all the room in the world to pick the ball up and get a good 5 yard run on him. Lustig being our best RB wouldnt have given king the space.

Lustig if memory serves has started 3 games at CB this season we have conceeded 11 goals in those 3 games and the majority have been down to the RB's in those games being poor, lustig in those games has been ok at CB. We are making the RB position weak by playing him at CB he should always if fit be starting at RB and making the defence stronger.
When Toure is not starting because he is in need of a rest, who plays at CB? Jozo has been injured which is why I assume he did not start today. Should O'Connell have started at CB instead of Lustig? When our manager has played O'Connell he has been criticised for it. Can't win.


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Lustig was much better than Gamboa, who looked disinterested at times. shampoo game, slow and wasteful, no big surprise after a relentless start to the season. Needs to drop that keeper though.
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18 Sep 2016, 05:46 PM
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18 Sep 2016, 05:42 PM
Our movement on and off the ball getting better. Today again moving at pace and plenty of options. love what Brendan has done in such a short period of time. It's exciting again. Looking forward to every game these days
Aye me too.

The defence has barely improved though (Toure aside) and the same weaknesses remain. There are very valid questions marks about Rodgers' Celtic as a defensive unit. Its ok when we can hammer teams 4-5 nothing when we're on our A game. But we're going to have to defend as well. The remaining Champions League away games look very worrying indeed.

That said, he cant do everything at once and I'm so happy he's the Celtic manager. Onwards and upwards.
That's it for me. The defence is a worry but we've not brought players on to either improve it directly or help protect it. If we are sitting here this time next year with the same problems and with another 2 transfer windows passed I will worry then.

As for the champions league, anyone expecting anything other than 4 or 5 pumpings is going to be be very angry come the end of. It's just where we are at this moment
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Our movement on and off the ball getting better. Today again moving at pace and plenty of options. love what Brendan has done in such a short period of time. It's exciting again. Looking forward to every game these days
Aye me too.

The defence has barely improved though (Toure aside) and the same weaknesses remain. There are very valid questions marks about Rodgers' Celtic as a defensive unit. Its ok when we can hammer teams 4-5 nothing when we're on our A game. But we're going to have to defend as well. The remaining Champions League away games look very worrying indeed.

That said, he cant do everything at once and I'm so happy he's the Celtic manager. Onwards and upwards.
That's it for me. The defence is a worry but we've not brought players on to either improve it directly or help protect it. If we are sitting here this time next year with the same problems and with another 2 transfer windows passed I will worry then.

As for the champions league, anyone expecting anything other than 4 or 5 pumpings is going to be be very angry come the end of. It's just where we are at this moment
Exactly.
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Lustig was much better than Gamboa, who looked disinterested at times. shampoo game, slow and wasteful, no big surprise after a relentless start to the season. Needs to drop that keeper though.
I hope the manager has more sense than pride. Gamboa and De Vries have been the critical factors in goals conceded and Brendan has been the critical factor in persisting with his new signings - perhaps to validate the expenditure on them. Appalling decision to throw a player in against the best team on the planet when he had no competitive matches for 7 months. I'll credit him for superbly negotiating 2 very difficult qualifying rounds but I'm also honest in recognising the illogical whimsy he has always seemed prone to.

If Lustig is fit, then Lustig is beneficial for his decision making in either defensive berth. The most glaring deficiency is RB, so even though I also like him at CB, there are adequate alternatives now in Toure, Simunovic, Sviatchenko and O'Connell who may concede the odd goal due to Brendan's attack/high press mindset but nevertheless free up the most critical hole at RB. If Gamboa was signed as back up, OK, but it's looking like he's Brendan's first choice in that position which is frankly poor management. Gordon lacks communication and physicality, so an alternative was necessary until (if ever) he improves those aspects but if Vorm wasn't a goer then Fasan can't be worse than the goals and points De Vries has already been responsible for. Priority - adequate GK!
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Do we even bother with defensive work in training? :lol:
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Lustig was much better than Gamboa, who looked disinterested at times. shampoo game, slow and wasteful, no big surprise after a relentless start to the season. Needs to drop that keeper though.
I hope the manager has more sense than pride. Gamboa and De Vries have been the critical factors in goals conceded and Brendan has been the critical factor in persisting with his new signings - perhaps to validate the expenditure on them. Appalling decision to throw a player in against the best team on the planet when he had no competitive matches for 7 months. I'll credit him for superbly negotiating 2 very difficult qualifying rounds but I'm also honest in recognising the illogical whimsy he has always seemed prone to.

If Lustig is fit, then Lustig is beneficial for his decision making in either defensive berth. The most glaring deficiency is RB, so even though I also like him at CB, there are adequate alternatives now in Toure, Simunovic, Sviatchenko and O'Connell who may concede the odd goal due to Brendan's attack/high press mindset but nevertheless free up the most critical hole at RB. If Gamboa was signed as back up, OK, but it's looking like he's Brendan's first choice in that position which is frankly poor management. Gordon lacks communication and physicality, so an alternative was necessary until (if ever) he improves those aspects but if Vorm wasn't a goer then Fasan can't be worse than the goals and points De Vries has already been responsible for. Priority - adequate GK!
It's simply not true that Gambona had no competitive matches. He has been playing for Costa Rica.

What points has DDV cost us?
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Lustig was much better than Gamboa, who looked disinterested at times. shampoo game, slow and wasteful, no big surprise after a relentless start to the season. Needs to drop that keeper though.
I hope the manager has more sense than pride. Gamboa and De Vries have been the critical factors in goals conceded and Brendan has been the critical factor in persisting with his new signings - perhaps to validate the expenditure on them. Appalling decision to throw a player in against the best team on the planet when he had no competitive matches for 7 months. I'll credit him for superbly negotiating 2 very difficult qualifying rounds but I'm also honest in recognising the illogical whimsy he has always seemed prone to.

If Lustig is fit, then Lustig is beneficial for his decision making in either defensive berth. The most glaring deficiency is RB, so even though I also like him at CB, there are adequate alternatives now in Toure, Simunovic, Sviatchenko and O'Connell who may concede the odd goal due to Brendan's attack/high press mindset but nevertheless free up the most critical hole at RB. If Gamboa was signed as back up, OK, but it's looking like he's Brendan's first choice in that position which is frankly poor management. Gordon lacks communication and physicality, so an alternative was necessary until (if ever) he improves those aspects but if Vorm wasn't a goer then Fasan can't be worse than the goals and points De Vries has already been responsible for. Priority - adequate GK!
It's simply not true that Gambona had no competitive matches. He has been playing for Costa Rica.

What points has DDV cost us?
We dropped 2 yesterday after he palmed the ball into the net for the first :suspect:
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Some interesting stats:

Only 13 games but Celtic's season average on goals for (2.54) & against (1.62) very high:
Most scored since 67/68
Most conceded since 52/53
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It's simply not true that Gambona had no competitive matches. He has been playing for Costa Rica.

What points has DDV cost us?
We dropped 2 yesterday after he palmed the ball into the net for the first :suspect:
Yes but we were winning 2-1 with a few mins on the clock? All we had to do was see it out. That's unless of course you blame DDV for the second goal as well. Some have.
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We dropped 2 yesterday after he palmed the ball into the net for the first :suspect:
Yes but we were winning 2-1 with a few mins on the clock? All we had to do was see it out. That's unless of course you blame DDV for the second goal as well. Some have.
Nah, but the first is definitely on him. If it had gone over him completely then fair play but he got a full hand on it, to no effect. Same poor technique from DDV as Neymar's free kick. Gordon would've saved both.
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Some interesting stats:

Only 13 games but Celtic's season average on goals for (2.54) & against (1.62) very high:
Most scored since 67/68
Most conceded since 52/53
The 7-0 inflates the against average some what...

But you can see its a weakness that needs addressed... no clean sheets in the league is a worry.
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Yes but we were winning 2-1 with a few mins on the clock? All we had to do was see it out. That's unless of course you blame DDV for the second goal as well. Some have.
Nah, but the first is definitely on him. If it had gone over him completely then fair play but he got a full hand on it, to no effect. Same poor technique from DDV as Neymar's free kick. Gordon would've saved both.
I am not disagreeing. I just think to say he cost us 2 points is wrong. We were 2-1 up.
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2 clean sheets (1 of which was at home to part-timers) in 13 games is pretty pathetic in all honesty.

We desperately needed to address this in the transfer window and failed. I can't see us picking up a single point as it stands in the Champions League. Just need to hope we can improve in January and go into things next year with a more balanced squad to make sure we bank the money again. Qualification next year and strengthening our coefficient is arguably more important than recent years given the changes coming up. The board really need to come up with the goods.

Overall though, happy with our entertaining style of play and enjoying having a proper manager in charge. It'd be slightly unreasonable to expect wholesale change from the shambles Ronny left behind so quickly, so all things considered we're doing well. I don't think we're too far away from having a side capable of competing in Europe again.
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2 clean sheets (1 of which was at home to part-timers) in 13 games is pretty pathetic in all honesty.

We desperately needed to address this in the transfer window and failed. I can't see us picking up a single point as it stands in the Champions League. Just need to hope we can improve in January and go into things next year with a more balanced squad to make sure we bank the money again. Qualification next year and strengthening our coefficient is arguably more important than recent years given the changes coming up. The board really need to come up with the goods.

Overall though, happy with our entertaining style of play and enjoying having a proper manager in charge. It'd be slightly unreasonable to expect wholesale change from the shambles Ronny left behind so quickly, so all things considered we're doing well. I don't think we're too far away from having a side capable of competing in Europe again.
Not to piss on the chips, but Rodgers spent massively on defenders in the past and still had the same (pish) defensive record season in, season out. We could spend our whole budget on defenders and I reckon we'd still look like we were defending on an ice rink.

Every manager has a weakness. I'd say his blind spot for defending is probably his biggest flaw, and does not look to have improved on that too much. Every team has it's flaws, looks like ours is going to be a comedy defence.
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