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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,250 Views)
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Kingslim
15 Sep 2016, 02:40 PM
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15 Sep 2016, 02:37 PM
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15 Sep 2016, 01:59 PM
On paper we should probably be losing every game in this group, so I wouldn't use it as a stick to beat him with.

I think I would prefer us to go with the 4-2-3-1 in every game from now on. We seem to play our best football in that formation and we are more compact given the extra bodies in midfield.
One of the good things that BR has brought is the ability to change formations to suit the circumstances. It's paid off well on a number of occasions so far.

I wouldn't like to see us go back to playing one system week in, week out, as we did under RD. It would make us much more predictable and easy to play against.
Just meant in the CL games.

Ah! Fair enough. Though even then, I'd be keen for the system to stay flexible.

Hopefully BR's learned enough from Tuesday to know which ones are more likely to work at this level, with the players we have, and which ones won't.
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15 Sep 2016, 02:26 PM
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15 Sep 2016, 02:16 PM

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With what we've got and what we're up against, I can't see anything other than a compact, busy 3 in central midfield being the best approach for these games against superior teams. Sacrificing one of these to go to a back 5 you'd think won't be experimented with again - the unfortunate thing is it means I don't see a way to accommodate Rogic. I'd think it would have to be Brown, Bitton and McGregor/Armstrong. So no Rogic unless a winger's getting dropped.
Yes, a 'busy' 3 in central midfield (Brown, Armstrong and Henderson) would be good with Rogic just sitting in front of them and Sinclair and Dembele running the channels up front.

Bring on Roberts at some point and McGregor/Biton.

Risky with Henderson but we don't have much choice.
Leigh who?
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Willie Wonka
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15 Sep 2016, 02:26 PM

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Yes, a 'busy' 3 in central midfield (Brown, Armstrong and Henderson) would be good with Rogic just sitting in front of them and Sinclair and Dembele running the channels up front.

Bring on Roberts at some point and McGregor/Biton.

Risky with Henderson but we don't have much choice.
Leigh who?
Please be respectful! :)

Yes, hopefully if he's over his injury, I would give him and Dembele a half each; I doubt if we can have both on together against Barca, City or BMG unless it is at the expense of Roberts and/or Sinclair.

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15 Sep 2016, 06:40 AM
Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
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15 Sep 2016, 06:40 AM
Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
I'd agree with this. Also thought BR's comments pre match didn't help and set the tone for the players to be overawed.
When inexperienced youngsters hear the manager gushing about Suarez being a beautiful human being it surely has an affect on how they treat him during the game
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Barnsey
15 Sep 2016, 05:52 PM
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15 Sep 2016, 05:27 PM
Cisnox
15 Sep 2016, 06:40 AM
Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
I'd agree with this. Also thought BR's comments pre match didn't help and set the tone for the players to be overawed.
When inexperienced youngsters hear the manager gushing about Suarez being a beautiful human being it surely has an affect on how they treat him during the game
Hopefully the players had better things to do than listen to the manager's pre match press conference.
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15 Sep 2016, 05:52 PM
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15 Sep 2016, 05:27 PM
Cisnox
15 Sep 2016, 06:40 AM
Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
I'd agree with this. Also thought BR's comments pre match didn't help and set the tone for the players to be overawed.
When inexperienced youngsters hear the manager gushing about Suarez being a beautiful human being it surely has an affect on how they treat him during the game
I don't think it'd have any impact at all tbh.
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I would imagine Brendan will now know the real characters in the squad and the players he must now replace or work with to change their thinking.if we can show signs of improvement against man city and barca at home this will show we have at least taken something out of the game individually and collectively as a team. I cannot see us going the same way again this season in terms of the overall performance and would be disappointed if harsh lessons haven't been learned by all concerned.
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Barnsey
15 Sep 2016, 05:52 PM
Hagi Bhoy
15 Sep 2016, 05:27 PM
Cisnox
15 Sep 2016, 06:40 AM
Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
I'd agree with this. Also thought BR's comments pre match didn't help and set the tone for the players to be overawed.
When inexperienced youngsters hear the manager gushing about Suarez being a beautiful human being it surely has an affect on how they treat him during the game
Post match wasn't much better. Half the time was spent talking about Barca, and the holy trinity up front.

I think he/we just showed them too much respect. We need to be more pragmatic in future.
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15 Sep 2016, 11:46 AM
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15 Sep 2016, 11:42 AM
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As far as I remember, we had a defence of Lustig Ambrose Wilson Mulgrew Mathews.

Edit - Miku was up front on his own - we certainly never went with 2 strikers either.
Mulgrew was at LM.

We played Miku and Sammy up front.

Could have been 4-4-1-1 but both played high up the park
Yup. This is how we played.
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Didn't Lennon play 5-4-1 against Barcelona? The reason it's used is because they don't cross the ball, so you play 3 in the middle to try and keep them out wide with no way in.

I dont think there was any other way to set up, the players just didn't play well.
Can't recall us playing a back 3 in Europe under Lennon. Against Barca it was always 4-1-4-1, stay deep and stay narrow, let them cross, hope the keeper has a stormer.

What happened the other night was the midfield four stayed narrow which allowed the Barca fullbacks and wingers to double up on the our wing backs. When Gamboa/Tierney went to close down a fullback, one of centre backs was dragged out to the winger which opened up a lot of space in the channel between our CBs.

In addition, our midfield 4 never matched up against their 3. It was basically their central 3 v our 2 in the centre. Roberts and Sinclair tried to shuttle between closing down fullbacks and midfielders but they were getting moved around too easy.

I thought it was a shambles tactically. Touré was a waste of a player because of his position. It should have been an extra midfielder.
Good insight :thumbsup:
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
Seriously?
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16 Sep 2016, 10:42 AM
we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
Are you pished? :cuckoo:
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
Some fine trolling, Bravo
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
Some fine trolling, Bravo
no-one has ever tried the bad cop - bad, unhinged cop combination before - might work :rocker:
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
As long as it was written into big suttons contract that he could smack keane whenever he felt he required it. Daily without punishment would be good.
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I'm sure Brendan learned a harsh lesson from this. It's still only 3 points with 5 games remaining although the goal difference has taken a right hammering.

Lenny's playing experience has been invaluable to him....he had the insight of playing against Barca as a player, and indeed in the 1-0 win, and did a good job executing the 2-1 win....different players involve albeit.

Roberts and Gamboa were a mistake and we will have to be more practical. I'd have Gordon over DDV.

I'd imagine the counter-attacking skills of Leigh Griffths was a big miss through injury as well.

These games are not impossible, but if your tactics and playing personnel are not next to perfect you will get punished, especially when it's a team like Barca.
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
I'd prefer Sutton and Deila.
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we know Brendan Rodgers won't stay at Celtic forever, we will get 3/4 years out of him if we are lucky. I'd love to see a joint management team of Chris Sutton and Roy Keane to replace him. Would be awesome
I'd prefer Sutton and Deila.
Barton and absolutely anyone else
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