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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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1 Sep 2016, 11:45 AM
Brendan visiting St Ninians today in Kirkintilloch to talk to 5th and 6th years about the success of the academy within the School.
Presented head teacher Paul McLaughlin with signed strips from Teirney, Ralston and Aitchison who all came through there.
Quite proud as it's the School I went to and my son goes to at the moment.
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As did this auld owl.
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So was Griffiths :lol:
Jeez, my memory is shocking. Although in fairness, two years of having Deila as manager definitely felt like longer...

Anyway - in the last three years, we've signed some absolute dross. I still maintain there's something fundamentally wrong with how we're spotting players. We're just not very good at it.
Funny thing is, for a couple of years our scouting seemed genuinely good, finding gems like Wanyama as well as players who did well at first like Ambrose and Kayal. Something changed.

Whoever decided to sign Griffiths deserves credit, though. Not obvious at the time that he had it in him to straighten up his behaviour and step up his play to be the smash hit he had been.
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Jeez, my memory is shocking. Although in fairness, two years of having Deila as manager definitely felt like longer...

Anyway - in the last three years, we've signed some absolute dross. I still maintain there's something fundamentally wrong with how we're spotting players. We're just not very good at it.
Funny thing is, for a couple of years our scouting seemed genuinely good, finding gems like Wanyama as well as players who did well at first like Ambrose and Kayal. Something changed.

Whoever decided to sign Griffiths deserves credit, though. Not obvious at the time that he had it in him to straighten up his behaviour and step up his play to be the smash hit he had been.
Sadly every other team across europe had someone who either read or watched Moneyball and then we found much more competition for the rough gems. :cry:
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There were changes made to the scouting system 2-3 years ago. David Moss became more prominent in it, others left and even our main International area scout changed or evolved(Sjaak van den Helder).

Can`t say whether this had any more impact than the mad money on the market or the Deila/Park/Lawell triumvirate but it`s safe to say Brendan hasn`t relied heavily on it since coming to the club. Maybe he`ll help them change it, there`s only so many of his former players or English market players within our financial reach, even with the extra cash.
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Jeez, my memory is shocking. Although in fairness, two years of having Deila as manager definitely felt like longer...

Anyway - in the last three years, we've signed some absolute dross. I still maintain there's something fundamentally wrong with how we're spotting players. We're just not very good at it.
Funny thing is, for a couple of years our scouting seemed genuinely good, finding gems like Wanyama as well as players who did well at first like Ambrose and Kayal. Something changed.

Whoever decided to sign Griffiths deserves credit, though. Not obvious at the time that he had it in him to straighten up his behaviour and step up his play to be the smash hit he had been.
Identifying good players and getting them in is only the start of it. It's how they are used and developed after that is the main factor in determining the success or a failure of a signing - and of course how the players themselves settle is a big factor. Personally I think if we had a better manager these last few years one or two of our more recent signings may have been held in higher regard.
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You can tell by the signings that he has taken a lot of control away from Lawwell and Park. Delighted with that.
Our previous managers didn't have the same clout. Rodgers won't have signings made for him.
Especially on deadline-day, when he's already stated that he'd ideally like two. :brickwall:

Splob seems to find it a tad difficult, when the other chief-exec's/club recruiters (who are actually worth their money) sharpen their blades and go out to play :nono:

Christ on a Bike, he even struggles with Kieth feckin Wynness, and a player who's desperate to sign, with a buy-out clause in his contract :cuckoo:

If BR didn't truly understand the script before, he certainly must do now, and his reaction to yet another 'sit on your hands/wait it out' scenario, could well be the defining moment of his tenure as our manager.
how much is the buy out clause ?
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Especially on deadline-day, when he's already stated that he'd ideally like two. :brickwall:

Splob seems to find it a tad difficult, when the other chief-exec's/club recruiters (who are actually worth their money) sharpen their blades and go out to play :nono:

Christ on a Bike, he even struggles with Kieth feckin Wynness, and a player who's desperate to sign, with a buy-out clause in his contract :cuckoo:

If BR didn't truly understand the script before, he certainly must do now, and his reaction to yet another 'sit on your hands/wait it out' scenario, could well be the defining moment of his tenure as our manager.
how much is the buy out clause ?
if its james mccarthy your on about you are talking pish
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepideally like two. :brickwall:

Splob seems to find it a tad difficult, when the other chief-exec's/club recruiters (who are actually worth their money) sharpen their blades and go out to play :nono:

Christ on a Bike, he even struggles with Kieth feckin Wynness, and a player who's desperate to sign, with a buy-out clause in his contract :cuckoo:

If BR didn't truly understand the script before, he certainly must do now, and his reaction to yet another 'sit on your hands/wait it out' scenario, could well be the defining moment of his tenure as our manager.
how much is the buy out clause ?
if its james mccarthy your on about you are talking pish
Considering how much he was signed for we wouldn't even entertain the buyout clause.
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Brendan visiting St Ninians today in Kirkintilloch to talk to 5th and 6th years about the success of the academy within the School.
Presented head teacher Paul McLaughlin with signed strips from Teirney, Ralston and Aitchison who all came through there.
Quite proud as it's the School I went to and my son goes to at the moment.
:thumbsup:

As did this auld owl.
And me :)
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for the benefit off;^ geezerbhoy 'n getfunky (o'yea)




I'd imagine, a quantitive value, reflecting the perceived quality of the player?

Took protracted negotiations right enough :)

Not conducive to deadline day scenarios :thumbsup:


#splobmustgo
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepideally like two. :brickwall:

Splob seems to find it a tad difficult, when the other chief-exec's/club recruiters (who are actually worth their money) sharpen their blades and go out to play :nono:

Christ on a Bike, he even struggles with Kieth feckin Wynness, and a player who's desperate to sign, with a buy-out clause in his contract :cuckoo:

If BR didn't truly understand the script before, he certainly must do now, and his reaction to yet another 'sit on your hands/wait it out' scenario, could well be the defining moment of his tenure as our manager.
how much is the buy out clause ?
if its james mccarthy your on about you are talking pish
I think you'll find it's you that's talkin' piss :)

I'm referring to Scott Sinclair :doh:



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Brendan visiting St Ninians today in Kirkintilloch to talk to 5th and 6th years about the success of the academy within the School.
Presented head teacher Paul McLaughlin with signed strips from Teirney, Ralston and Aitchison who all came through there.
Quite proud as it's the School I went to and my son goes to at the moment.
:thumbsup:

As did this auld owl.
And me :)
Was a shampoopit when \i went though. And I was crap at football. Auld Higgy hated me. :(
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There were changes made to the scouting system 2-3 years ago. David Moss became more prominent in it, others left and even our main International area scout changed or evolved(Sjaak van den Helder).

Can`t say whether this had any more impact than the mad money on the market or the Deila/Park/Lawell triumvirate but it`s safe to say Brendan hasn`t relied heavily on it since coming to the club. Maybe he`ll help them change it, there`s only so many of his former players or English market players within our financial reach, even with the extra cash.
Oddly enough, it was 2-3 years ago that we last made a good signing from overseas. Coincidence?

Edit - that's not quite fair actually - I forgot about Sviatchenko. Been mostly crap in that time though.
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Who knows? Maybe just the club policy became too focused on bargains.

Maybe the market has changed so much that 1-3 million quid is the equivalent of 200-600k three years ago.

Some of the guys who were scouting are now coaching in the academy and one of them spotted Wanyama. Some scouts are former players, some aren`t, I guess there`s no more rules about what makes a good scout than what makes a good manager.

It must be a lot harder now to catch young talent before its trawled mercilessly by bigger clubs. The Portugese clubs access to South America is enviable and they are reeling in massive sums for players because they have a strong technically advanced league and a good system for bringing players through.
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Sadly every other team across europe had someone who either read or watched Moneyball and then we found much more competition for the rough gems. :cry:
Peter Houston persuaded Neil Lennon to sign Leigh. Said he wouldn't regret it as he's a natural goalscorer. Thank you Peter Houston
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Brendan visiting St Ninians today in Kirkintilloch to talk to 5th and 6th years about the success of the academy within the School.
Presented head teacher Paul McLaughlin with signed strips from Teirney, Ralston and Aitchison who all came through there.
Quite proud as it's the School I went to and my son goes to at the moment.
:thumbsup:

As did this auld owl.
Ditto! :clap:
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At least with the window shut we don't need to listen to 'Brendan doesn't play with a defensive Midfielder' or 'Brendan doesn't buy strong Forwards', all codswallop from the tiki takkers
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There were changes made to the scouting system 2-3 years ago. David Moss became more prominent in it, others left and even our main International area scout changed or evolved(Sjaak van den Helder).

Can`t say whether this had any more impact than the mad money on the market or the Deila/Park/Lawell triumvirate but it`s safe to say Brendan hasn`t relied heavily on it since coming to the club. Maybe he`ll help them change it, there`s only so many of his former players or English market players within our financial reach, even with the extra cash.
Oddly enough, it was 2-3 years ago that we last made a good signing from overseas. Coincidence?

Edit - that's not quite fair actually - I forgot about Sviatchenko. Been mostly crap in that time though.
Don't know how much you can credit the the scouting system with Sviatchenko, Deila would probably have known about him beforehand (and there was a story that his old mate Solbakken tipped him off about a release clause in Erik's contract).

I believe clubs like Sporting Lisbon and PSV spend a lot of money on very extensive scouting to make up for their unattractive leagues. It's something we should be trying to emulate.
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There were changes made to the scouting system 2-3 years ago. David Moss became more prominent in it, others left and even our main International area scout changed or evolved(Sjaak van den Helder).

Can`t say whether this had any more impact than the mad money on the market or the Deila/Park/Lawell triumvirate but it`s safe to say Brendan hasn`t relied heavily on it since coming to the club. Maybe he`ll help them change it, there`s only so many of his former players or English market players within our financial reach, even with the extra cash.
Oddly enough, it was 2-3 years ago that we last made a good signing from overseas. Coincidence?

Edit - that's not quite fair actually - I forgot about Sviatchenko. Been mostly crap in that time though.
Don't know how much you can credit the the scouting system with Sviatchenko, Deila would probably have known about him beforehand (and there was a story that his old mate Solbakken tipped him off about a release clause in Erik's contract).

I believe clubs like Sporting Lisbon and PSV spend a lot of money on very extensive scouting to make up for their unattractive leagues. It's something we should be trying to emulate.
They do indeed. I saw an interview with some senior bod at Porto who suggested they had around 250 scouts.

Some of them will be casual, some will be part-time and some will be agents, so I think "250 scouts" is a bit of an exaggeration, but it's beyond doubt that they have a fantastic scouting network with a lot of people working on spotting talent.

Obviously, Porto have a massive advantage in Brazil, and I'd expect a large number of their scouts to be based there. Ditto Sporting Lisbon. It would be impossible for us to replicate their success, given cultural differences and the work permit issue. But is it something we could apply elsewhere? Could we have, for example, something as extensive covering Scandinavia, or the Balkans, or the former Yugoslavia?

How many scouts do we have, out of interest? I've seen interviews with, for example, Peter Houston who suggested that we had a few scouts, and they each covered a few countries. That doesn't sound like it's the best funded system in the world.

I completely agree with MS, by the way - it's clear that Rodgers hasn't relied in any real way on the scouting system since coming in.
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At least with the window shut we don't need to listen to 'Brendan doesn't play with a defensive Midfielder' or 'Brendan doesn't buy strong Forwards', all codswallop from the tiki takkers
Where these folk in a coma while Rodgers was playing Danny Graham and Leon Britton at Swansea? :lol:
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