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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,352 Views)
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boozebhoy
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27 Jul 2016, 07:30 PM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:25 PM
Changed the line up and it influenced the outcome. In adversarial situations we need players to step up and take responsibility. Brown can do this. His play is often littered with infuriating and avoidable mistakes. But he always steps up. Armstrong and McGregor still seem reluctant/unable to do this. Don't doubt their ability, just their desire. Roberts and Teirney are the same age as Armstrong/McGregor but both show a willingness to take responsibility and get involved. Could be a mindset thing but it's something Rodgers needs to work on. His changes helped settle the team and we got a good result. Well done.
Armstrong is 24, McGregor is 23 mate I'm 48. Everyone under 25 looks the same to me.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:32 PM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:25 PM
Changed the line up and it influenced the outcome. In adversarial situations we need players to step up and take responsibility. Brown can do this. His play is often littered with infuriating and avoidable mistakes. But he always steps up. Armstrong and McGregor still seem reluctant/unable to do this. Don't doubt their ability, just their desire. Roberts and Teirney are the same age as Armstrong/McGregor but both show a willingness to take responsibility and get involved. Could be a mindset thing but it's something Rodgers needs to work on. His changes helped settle the team and we got a good result. Well done.
Armstrong is 24, McGregor is 23 mate
I'm 48. Everyone under 25 looks the same to me. Just highlighting your point even more for you. Roberts and Teirney are younger, but just want it more it seems.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:37 PM
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- behan
- 27 Jul 2016, 07:14 PM
Thought he did very well this evening, both Bitton and Forrest subs paid dividends.
I think his blind spot around Brown is probably down to leadership. We have long since understood that a serious issue with this Celtic team is a lack of guts, desire and bottle. Now while Scott Brown doesn't obviously exude these attributes at the moment (or his lack of form means that they're meaningless) he is one of the few in the squad who potentially have this side to their game. I firmly believe if each player in the side had the same heart as Tierney, Brown would not start games.
The only positive out of this is that good managers can sometimes bring that side of a person's character out. O'Neill turned players like Petrov, Larsson and even Lubo into really gutsy players with a much greater will to win. If Rodgers can do that with players in the squad like Gordon, Sviatchenko, Bitton, Roberts, and continue to push the likes of Tierney and Griffiths to become real leaders, the need for Brown will lessen. Its unlikely to be a blindspot with Brown. More likely pragmatism which will need to endure for about a season in the name of team harmony.
Otherwise we'll get a starey, shoulder shrugging sideshow from a benched captain, probably with a helping of Kris Commons style self entitlement.
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Neil Jung
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27 Jul 2016, 07:42 PM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:14 PM
Thought he did very well this evening, both Bitton and Forrest subs paid dividends.
I think his blind spot around Brown is probably down to leadership. We have long since understood that a serious issue with this Celtic team is a lack of guts, desire and bottle. Now while Scott Brown doesn't obviously exude these attributes at the moment (or his lack of form means that they're meaningless) he is one of the few in the squad who potentially have this side to their game. I firmly believe if each player in the side had the same heart as Tierney, Brown would not start games.
The only positive out of this is that good managers can sometimes bring that side of a person's character out. O'Neill turned players like Petrov, Larsson and even Lubo into really gutsy players with a much greater will to win. If Rodgers can do that with players in the squad like Gordon, Sviatchenko, Bitton, Roberts, and continue to push the likes of Tierney and Griffiths to become real leaders, the need for Brown will lessen.
Its unlikely to be a blindspot with Brown. More likely pragmatism which will need to endure for about a season in the name of team harmony. Otherwise we'll get a starey, shoulder shrugging sideshow from a benched captain, probably with a helping of Kris Commons style self entitlement. I thought both Armstrong & McGregor were worse than Brown today so am struggling to see how Rodgers has a blind spot. It does seem like pragmatism but that hopefully can be said about a lot of the starters.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:46 PM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:14 PM
Thought he did very well this evening, both Bitton and Forrest subs paid dividends.
I think his blind spot around Brown is probably down to leadership. We have long since understood that a serious issue with this Celtic team is a lack of guts, desire and bottle. Now while Scott Brown doesn't obviously exude these attributes at the moment (or his lack of form means that they're meaningless) he is one of the few in the squad who potentially have this side to their game. I firmly believe if each player in the side had the same heart as Tierney, Brown would not start games.
The only positive out of this is that good managers can sometimes bring that side of a person's character out. O'Neill turned players like Petrov, Larsson and even Lubo into really gutsy players with a much greater will to win. If Rodgers can do that with players in the squad like Gordon, Sviatchenko, Bitton, Roberts, and continue to push the likes of Tierney and Griffiths to become real leaders, the need for Brown will lessen.
Its unlikely to be a blindspot with Brown. More likely pragmatism which will need to endure for about a season in the name of team harmony. Otherwise we'll get a starey, shoulder shrugging sideshow from a benched captain, probably with a helping of Kris Commons style self entitlement.
I thought both Armstrong & McGregor were worse than Brown today so am struggling to see how Rodgers has a blind spot. It does seem like pragmatism but that hopefully can be said about a lot of the starters. The entire midfield is completely dysfunctional.
That starts with Brown.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:49 PM
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Didn't like the starting eleven but he changed it when he saw it wasn't working. Bitton gave us the ability to keep and pass the ball and we improved from there.
Interestingly, he took off our three worst performing players.
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Neil Jung
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27 Jul 2016, 07:52 PM
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I thought both Armstrong & McGregor were worse than Brown today so am struggling to see how Rodgers has a blind spot. It does seem like pragmatism but that hopefully can be said about a lot of the starters.
The entire midfield is completely dysfunctional. That starts with Brown. It only starts with Brown if he is your major hang up. Both Armstrong and McGregor went past the ball today when we attacked leaving Brown on his own to cover the full midfield. This isn't an excuse for his poor passing or control but shows why we were so wide open to counter attacks. That's not down to Brown. If he had been replaced by Bitton it still would've happened. I agree we need better than Brown and he seems to have lost his major attribute but out of the three today I think he was least poor.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:55 PM
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- Neil Jung
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The entire midfield is completely dysfunctional. That starts with Brown.
It only starts with Brown if he is your major hang up. Both Armstrong and McGregor went past the ball today when we attacked leaving Brown on his own to cover the full midfield. This isn't an excuse for his poor passing or control but shows why we were so wide open to counter attacks. That's not down to Brown. If he had been replaced by Bitton it still would've happened. I agree we need better than Brown and he seems to have lost his major attribute but out of the three today I think he was least poor. It starts with Brown if he's giving the ball away and conceding free kicks more than others.
This is what he does.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:56 PM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:49 PM
Didn't like the starting eleven but he changed it when he saw it wasn't working. Bitton gave us the ability to keep and pass the ball and we improved from there.
Interestingly, he took off our three worst performing players. Great substitutions from BR today.
Ronny Deila would have subbed Roberts or done something equally as bizarre.
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Neil Jung
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27 Jul 2016, 07:58 PM
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It only starts with Brown if he is your major hang up. Both Armstrong and McGregor went past the ball today when we attacked leaving Brown on his own to cover the full midfield. This isn't an excuse for his poor passing or control but shows why we were so wide open to counter attacks. That's not down to Brown. If he had been replaced by Bitton it still would've happened. I agree we need better than Brown and he seems to have lost his major attribute but out of the three today I think he was least poor.
It starts with Brown if he's giving the ball away and conceding free kicks more than others. This is what he does. Don't want this to descend into a whataboutery and for it to look like I'm defending Brown but every single player in that team today gave the ball away. A lot. I didn't think he was the worst offender.
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27 Jul 2016, 07:59 PM
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Didn't like the starting eleven but he changed it when he saw it wasn't working. Bitton gave us the ability to keep and pass the ball and we improved from there.
Interestingly, he took off our three worst performing players. It's been a long time since we had a manager who did that. Long may it continue.
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27 Jul 2016, 08:12 PM
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Love everything he's doing. Guts again which is good to see. Clearly lacking massively in midfield. Brown McGregor Armstrong all very much spl standard footballers. Need 3 central midfielders. Brown is leaving him with a major problem shortly if the form Dosent improve. The captain isn't cutting it
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27 Jul 2016, 08:20 PM
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Didn't like the starting eleven but he changed it when he saw it wasn't working. Bitton gave us the ability to keep and pass the ball and we improved from there.
Interestingly, he took off our three worst performing players.
It's been a long time since we had a manager who did that. Long may it continue. Got the subs on with enough time to actually do something too.
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27 Jul 2016, 08:31 PM
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Has given what's available to him their chances I would imagine he knows who is and isn't good enough and will duly be faded out in the coming weeks months.
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27 Jul 2016, 08:31 PM
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Thought he did very well this evening, both Bitton and Forrest subs paid dividends.
I think his blind spot around Brown is probably down to leadership. We have long since understood that a serious issue with this Celtic team is a lack of guts, desire and bottle. Now while Scott Brown doesn't obviously exude these attributes at the moment (or his lack of form means that they're meaningless) he is one of the few in the squad who potentially have this side to their game. I firmly believe if each player in the side had the same heart as Tierney, Brown would not start games.
The only positive out of this is that good managers can sometimes bring that side of a person's character out. O'Neill turned players like Petrov, Larsson and even Lubo into really gutsy players with a much greater will to win. If Rodgers can do that with players in the squad like Gordon, Sviatchenko, Bitton, Roberts, and continue to push the likes of Tierney and Griffiths to become real leaders, the need for Brown will lessen.
Its unlikely to be a blindspot with Brown. More likely pragmatism which will need to endure for about a season in the name of team harmony. Otherwise we'll get a starey, shoulder shrugging sideshow from a benched captain, probably with a helping of Kris Commons style self entitlement. From a managerial viewpoint I could live with that for the sake of an extra 15 points and European progression.
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27 Jul 2016, 08:35 PM
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I wish Biton would knuckle down and play the way he is capable of on a weekly basis. Without doubt our best midfielder by a mile.
Good on BR for the change in formations and subs today, worked out well in the end. Not the best performance but an excellent result.
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28 Jul 2016, 08:42 AM
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From BBC website BR talking about O'Connell and defence in general.
"I thought he was outstanding," he said. "For a young player, he has been on the fringes for a few years, coming into that environment, under pressure, he had very few mistakes in the game.
"You would expect him to make some as a young player but he coped in a very difficult situation."
On the poor marking for the Astana goal, Rodgers added: "I think there has been an issue there with set-pieces, long before I came in.
"Over the course of the pre-season, we defended them well in the main but it is an element that we have to be better at and it is something we will reiterate to the players.
"They had to cope with a long ball, they were quite direct at times and a high percentage of times we dealt quite well with it but we need to ensure that our concentration is 100%."
BR sees the problem quickly and tries to deal with it. Toure alone should make a big difference in the return leg.
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28 Jul 2016, 09:24 AM
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From BBC website BR talking about O'Connell and defence in general.
"I thought he was outstanding," he said. "For a young player, he has been on the fringes for a few years, coming into that environment, under pressure, he had very few mistakes in the game.
"You would expect him to make some as a young player but he coped in a very difficult situation."
On the poor marking for the Astana goal, Rodgers added: "I think there has been an issue there with set-pieces, long before I came in.
"Over the course of the pre-season, we defended them well in the main but it is an element that we have to be better at and it is something we will reiterate to the players.
"They had to cope with a long ball, they were quite direct at times and a high percentage of times we dealt quite well with it but we need to ensure that our concentration is 100%."
BR sees the problem quickly and tries to deal with it. Toure alone should make a big difference in the return leg. Is Kennedy still the defensive coach?
If so, I would say it is time for a change in that area. We should get in an experienced defensive coach who can sort us out at set pieces.
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28 Jul 2016, 10:24 AM
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- 27 Jul 2016, 07:49 PM
Didn't like the starting eleven but he changed it when he saw it wasn't working. Bitton gave us the ability to keep and pass the ball and we improved from there.
Interestingly, he took off our three worst performing players. Fully agree with that, he did what he had to do and got it right.
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28 Jul 2016, 10:28 AM
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All in all he got it right last night. Had no choice with the starting 11. When big calls where needed he got them absolutely spot on.
Once he gets his own players into this team I am sure we will see a fast attacking team that will get us on the edge of our seats.
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