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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,359 Views)
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You can pray all you like and some sense might be restored on here, however the media will take a long time to drop it. Bet it will be raised relentlessly for the rest of the season and in the build up to the next CL campaign
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20 Jul 2016, 01:13 PM
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20 Jul 2016, 10:31 AM
What makes something 'the worst result in our history' exactly? Surely the criteria is entirely arbitrary.

I would think the worst result would be measured by how bad the consequences were. If we progress tonight then last weeks result ultimately doesn't mean anything.
This, last week was just silliness combined with a few players who have spent too long blaming others for their lack of hunger/ability.

A big win tonight and last weeks game is irrelevant.
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Agreed.
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20 Jul 2016, 01:43 PM
You can pray all you like and some sense might be restored on here, however the media will take a long time to drop it. Bet it will be raised relentlessly for the rest of the season and in the build up to the next CL campaign
They won't stop there, this will be dropped into commentary forevermore. Mind when we play ICT they never mention a SC game from 15 years ago?
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20 Jul 2016, 01:46 PM
searcher52
20 Jul 2016, 01:43 PM
You can pray all you like and some sense might be restored on here, however the media will take a long time to drop it. Bet it will be raised relentlessly for the rest of the season and in the build up to the next CL campaign
They won't stop there, this will be dropped into commentary forevermore. Mind when we play ICT they never mention a SC game from 15 years ago?
They do, however, skirt over a dodgy handball as if it never happened.
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20 Jul 2016, 01:43 PM
You can pray all you like and some sense might be restored on here, however the media will take a long time to drop it. Bet it will be raised relentlessly for the rest of the season and in the build up to the next CL campaign
They won't stop there, this will be dropped into commentary forevermore. Mind when we play ICT they never mention a SC game from 15 years ago?
They do, however, skirt over a dodgy handball as if it never happened.
It's laughable how many times the media mention we were beat by a part time team of coppers etc.

Don't seem to remember the zombies results during the "journey" being analyzed thus
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20 Jul 2016, 01:43 PM
You can pray all you like and some sense might be restored on here, however the media will take a long time to drop it. Bet it will be raised relentlessly for the rest of the season and in the build up to the next CL campaign
They won't stop there, this will be dropped into commentary forevermore. Mind when we play ICT they never mention a SC game from 15 years ago?
Jeez oh. Was that the night they went ballistic and we were atrocious? Rings a bell now
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Just read this:

Agger believes their relationship broke down on the day of the game against Southampton on 21 September 2013 when Agger played despite an injury and was at fault for Southampton’s goal.

“After the game he did not speak to me. Something went wrong. I was the first to admit that it was my fault. I apologised but as one of the physios said there was no need to apologise as the other 50 times that I had said that I was ready and played, even if I wasn’t fit, it had been fine. In those games one couldn’t see it but then there was this game, where I could not keep track [of my player].


Daniel Agger: differences with Brendan Rodgers led to Liverpool departure
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“Maybe he felt that I wasn’t good enough and that Mamadou Sakho, Kolo Touré and Martin Skrtel were better then me. Then fair enough because the most important thing is for Liverpool to win football games. That’s the most important thing for me too. But in 42 days I went from being first choice and the club’s new vice-captain to be fourth choice centre-back. So I have thought a lot about it.”

Things came to a head again when, according to Agger, there was a heated conversation between him and Rodgers at half-time against Swansea City on 23 February 2014. Rodgers was criticising the two central defenders, Skrtel and Agger, for letting Wilfried Bony have too much of the ball.

“Everyone was quiet but I stood up and said: ‘How can you stand there and say that when we are only doing what you have been going on about all week.’

“Rodgers looked at me and muttered: ‘Whatever.’ I was substituted 12 minutes later.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/daniel-agger-brendan-rodgers-liverpool

That's a pretty interesting read.

It shows what Rodgers is saying in public might be completely different to what he is saying in private.

Perhaps Brown could find himself in a similar position to Agger.



Edited by allthewine, 20 Jul 2016, 03:45 PM.
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Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
So going by Aggers comments BR told Agger and Skrtel to give Bony as much of the ball as per his instructions all week? Seems a bit far fetched that.

Id say you are being harsh given he hasn't been in the job 2 months and your referring to his gimmicks, his games and the same crap without having any idea whats actually going on.
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
Where did you see it before, out of interest?

I'm not wholly convinced by BR as yet, but I'm hopeful he lives up to his excellent man management and development reputation.
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
So going by Aggers comments BR told Agger and Skrtel to give Bony as much of the ball as per his instructions all week? Seems a bit far fetched that.

Id say you are being harsh given he hasn't been in the job 2 months and your referring to his gimmicks, his games and the same crap without having any idea whats actually going on.
I'm talking about the way he talks, he's still hitting out with the same shampooe that he did at Liverpool. And that isn't what Agger said. Given that Rodgers was even trying to pair two defenders so utterly opposed to another as Agger and Skrtel in the first place was a concern. I remember the game they are talking about, btw, and the defence was (as it had been for weeks, regardless of what combination was being used) pretty poor. I know who I trust to tell the truth in this argument anyway, and it ain't Rodgers. A brief look around can find you numerous examples of when BR has flapped his mouth off about a certain subject, only for the opposite to turn out to be true. Not the case with Agger.

One is a committed vice captain who has always been honest about situations, from calling team performances shampooe to admitting his body was letting him down so never shirked responsibility even in that interview above. The other is a walking TalkSport interview who gets caught out saying one thing but doing or meaning the other thing a hell of a lot more than most. I really hoped he'd have left behind the patter but he's already done a few of his mind games so far and they don't appear to have been working. You might think I'm being harsh on the guy and that's fair enough, I appreciate that most people won't see him the way that I do. Not looking to convince people as I obviously hope he does really well and shuts me up. I just don't think he will.

Luca, I've watched Liverpool since I was a kid so got to see the BR of Liverpool in full. Let's put it this way, I'm not particularly excited. His mouth and his ego got him in a lot of trouble before and it definitely will up here, with our media and our overall atmosphere as a club.
Edited by adammce, 20 Jul 2016, 04:29 PM.
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20 Jul 2016, 04:03 PM
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
So going by Aggers comments BR told Agger and Skrtel to give Bony as much of the ball as per his instructions all week? Seems a bit far fetched that.

Id say you are being harsh given he hasn't been in the job 2 months and your referring to his gimmicks, his games and the same crap without having any idea whats actually going on.
I'm talking about the way he talks, he's still hitting out with the same shampooe that he did at Liverpool. And that isn't what Agger said. Given that Rodgers was even trying to pair two defenders so utterly opposed to another as Agger and Skrtel in the first place was a concern. I remember the game they are talking about, btw, and the defence was (as it had been for weeks, regardless of what combination was being used) pretty poor. I know who I trust to tell the truth in this argument anyway, and it ain't Rodgers. A brief look around can find you numerous examples of when BR has flapped his mouth off about a certain subject, only for the opposite to turn out to be true. Not the case with Agger.

One is a committed vice captain who has always been honest about situations, from calling team performances shampooe to admitting his body was letting him down so never shirked responsibility even in that interview above. The other is a walking TalkSport interview who gets caught out saying one thing but doing or meaning the other thing a hell of a lot more than most. I really hoped he'd have left behind the patter but he's already done a few of his mind games so far and they don't appear to have been working. You might think I'm being harsh on the guy and that's fair enough, I appreciate that most people won't see him the way that I do. Not looking to convince people as I obviously hope he does really well and shuts me up. I just don't think he will.

Luca, I've watched Liverpool since I was a kid so got to see the BR of Liverpool in full. Let's put it this way, I'm not particularly excited. His mouth and his ego got him in a lot of trouble before and it definitely will up here, with our media and our overall atmosphere as a club.
Just out of interest are you a Liverpool fan or a Celtic fan? Or both?
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
So going by Aggers comments BR told Agger and Skrtel to give Bony as much of the ball as per his instructions all week? Seems a bit far fetched that.

Id say you are being harsh given he hasn't been in the job 2 months and your referring to his gimmicks, his games and the same crap without having any idea whats actually going on.
I'm talking about the way he talks, he's still hitting out with the same shampooe that he did at Liverpool. And that isn't what Agger said. Given that Rodgers was even trying to pair two defenders so utterly opposed to another as Agger and Skrtel in the first place was a concern. I remember the game they are talking about, btw, and the defence was (as it had been for weeks, regardless of what combination was being used) pretty poor. I know who I trust to tell the truth in this argument anyway, and it ain't Rodgers. A brief look around can find you numerous examples of when BR has flapped his mouth off about a certain subject, only for the opposite to turn out to be true. Not the case with Agger.

One is a committed vice captain who has always been honest about situations, from calling team performances shampooe to admitting his body was letting him down so never shirked responsibility even in that interview above. The other is a walking TalkSport interview who gets caught out saying one thing but doing or meaning the other thing a hell of a lot more than most. I really hoped he'd have left behind the patter but he's already done a few of his mind games so far and they don't appear to have been working. You might think I'm being harsh on the guy and that's fair enough, I appreciate that most people won't see him the way that I do. Not looking to convince people as I obviously hope he does really well and shuts me up. I just don't think he will.

Luca, I've watched Liverpool since I was a kid so got to see the BR of Liverpool in full. Let's put it this way, I'm not particularly excited. His mouth and his ego got him in a lot of trouble before and it definitely will up here, with our media and our overall atmosphere as a club.
Why would you believe Agger ahead of Rodgers?

Agger admits himself in that article that he was not performing anywhere near his best. Perhaps Rodgers saw that and replaced him?
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Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
your absolutely desperate for him to fail aren't you?
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20 Jul 2016, 03:54 PM
Treating Agger like shampooe was one of his biggest failings at Liverpool. One of the major players in the team at the time, and was well liked by nearly everyone at the club. To only be able to respond to his legitimate questioning with "Whatever" is, frankly, pish. He threw defenders under the bus a good few times, yet they played to his system as requested.

I might seem really harsh on BR but I got to see all his wee games and gimmicks before. He's still pulling the same crap here so far.
So going by Aggers comments BR told Agger and Skrtel to give Bony as much of the ball as per his instructions all week? Seems a bit far fetched that.

Id say you are being harsh given he hasn't been in the job 2 months and your referring to his gimmicks, his games and the same crap without having any idea whats actually going on.
I'm talking about the way he talks, he's still hitting out with the same shampooe that he did at Liverpool. And that isn't what Agger said. Given that Rodgers was even trying to pair two defenders so utterly opposed to another as Agger and Skrtel in the first place was a concern. I remember the game they are talking about, btw, and the defence was (as it had been for weeks, regardless of what combination was being used) pretty poor. I know who I trust to tell the truth in this argument anyway, and it ain't Rodgers. A brief look around can find you numerous examples of when BR has flapped his mouth off about a certain subject, only for the opposite to turn out to be true. Not the case with Agger.

One is a committed vice captain who has always been honest about situations, from calling team performances shampooe to admitting his body was letting him down so never shirked responsibility even in that interview above. The other is a walking TalkSport interview who gets caught out saying one thing but doing or meaning the other thing a hell of a lot more than most. I really hoped he'd have left behind the patter but he's already done a few of his mind games so far and they don't appear to have been working. You might think I'm being harsh on the guy and that's fair enough, I appreciate that most people won't see him the way that I do. Not looking to convince people as I obviously hope he does really well and shuts me up. I just don't think he will.

Luca, I've watched Liverpool since I was a kid so got to see the BR of Liverpool in full. Let's put it this way, I'm not particularly excited. His mouth and his ego got him in a lot of trouble before and it definitely will up here, with our media and our overall atmosphere as a club.
Listen up, he's the Celtic manager now so we have to pretend he's not David Brent incarnated into football manager form, got it?
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I'm talking about the way he talks, he's still hitting out with the same shampooe that he did at Liverpool. And that isn't what Agger said. Given that Rodgers was even trying to pair two defenders so utterly opposed to another as Agger and Skrtel in the first place was a concern. I remember the game they are talking about, btw, and the defence was (as it had been for weeks, regardless of what combination was being used) pretty poor. I know who I trust to tell the truth in this argument anyway, and it ain't Rodgers. A brief look around can find you numerous examples of when BR has flapped his mouth off about a certain subject, only for the opposite to turn out to be true. Not the case with Agger.

One is a committed vice captain who has always been honest about situations, from calling team performances shampooe to admitting his body was letting him down so never shirked responsibility even in that interview above. The other is a walking TalkSport interview who gets caught out saying one thing but doing or meaning the other thing a hell of a lot more than most. I really hoped he'd have left behind the patter but he's already done a few of his mind games so far and they don't appear to have been working. You might think I'm being harsh on the guy and that's fair enough, I appreciate that most people won't see him the way that I do. Not looking to convince people as I obviously hope he does really well and shuts me up. I just don't think he will.

Luca, I've watched Liverpool since I was a kid so got to see the BR of Liverpool in full. Let's put it this way, I'm not particularly excited. His mouth and his ego got him in a lot of trouble before and it definitely will up here, with our media and our overall atmosphere as a club.
Just out of interest are you a Liverpool fan or a Celtic fan? Or both?
I always thought he was a Liverpool fan before anything.

Regardless, he's right in what he's said about Rodgers.
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The way I see it, I can offer very little to Celtic discussion on here that isn't already covered. If I genuinely annoy people always going on about Liverpool drop me a PM. However, given we've just appointed an ex-Liverpool manager, I thought I could actually contribute with shampoo people might not know already.

I only really mention Lpool on here for that reason, and because I just watch loads of football (no social life haha) so I try to offer my insight, what little I have, into other football topics. That might sound daft, but you all know your Celtic and don't need me to try and fill in what few blanks there are. However, make no mistake, when I was a wee boy and both clubs played it was Celtic I cheered on. I love Liverpool, but if it wasn't for Celtic I'd never have even liked football in the first place.

@allthewine - Yes, I would for sure. Agger has no history of telling lies - he even admitted himself he was playing shampooe. When he left he said that it was cause his body was effed - that's honesty. BR? Caught out loads of times with half-truths.
@lepetitmerde - Aye mate, desperate. I hope the Huns cuff us home and away, and I hope that Brendan Rodgers dies due to the pressure. Just so I'm right on Kerrydale Street. eff all the happiness that Celtic gave me and got me through the toughest periods of my life - I want to be RIGHT! Are you effing mental? No, I'm desperate for him to make me a (bigger) laughing stock on here. I just hold a certain viewpoint from his time at Liverpool and felt it was important to express that. I hope he's amazing for us.
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