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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,367 Views)
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FatherSpliffmas
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14 Jul 2016, 06:28 PM
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You'd think that we'd have learned from Deila's first season that these qualifiers are not opportunities to introduce a new system or showcase your philosophy - they're about getting the job done. If Deila had stuck with Lenny's diamond for those first few games we might well have scraped through. If BR had played 442 or 352 we might well have won that game - then again the players were absolute shampooe as well We played 4-4-2 for most of the second half. Griffiths was central with Dembele and Armstrong wide right of the four.
It didn't work any better because the midfield was absent.
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14 Jul 2016, 06:31 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Brendan Rodgers was wrong, Celtic defeat was embarrassing says Chris Sutton
Spoiler: click to toggle CHRIS believes that defeat to Lincoln Red Imps was a massive embarrassment despite what the Celtic manager says. BRENDAN Rodgers came out after the Lincoln Red Imps game and said it wasn’t embarrassing losing to the Gibraltar side. I’m sorry Brendan but it was a total embarrassment. Celtic is a global brand and this result has gone around the world. It has made headline news on the sport pages all over the planet. Embarrassing is exactly what I’d call it. There should be red faces all round but it’s important to have some sort of context. It is only half time and the real embarrassment would come if Celtic didn’t get through the tie. That would be a complete humiliation and catastrophic for the club. That really would be rock bottom. The worst ever. But if Celtic get through then will it matter? No. Will be be forgotten? Absolutely not. But at least they will have lived to fight another day. As it stands I would be amazed if the worst case scenario unfolded. As awful as Celtic were the other night, you still have to think they have enough to get past the part-timers. A few people have brought up the Artmedia Bratislava game and see some parallels between Rodgers and Gordon Strachan. We lost 5-0 out there in Gordon’s first game in charge, although I’d like to remind people it was still 0-0 when I went off with my cheekbone fractured in four places. The difference from that one to this is that this time the tie is still alive. We were dead after the first leg against Artmedia but this could still end up fairly comfortable if Celtic get their act together on Wednesday. I’ve seen some people talk about the Red Imps defeat like it was a freak or a one off. I don’t see it that way. I see it as a warning. It’s another wake up and smell the coffee moment for the club. They had one against Rangers last year but at some point they are going to have to learn the lesson. The current squad is not good enough to get Celtic to the group stages. How many times are we going to have to talk about Efe Ambrose? I’ve got nothing against the guy but he should be nowhere near the side. This question about is he better at right back or centre half? Efe’s best position is in the stand. Brendan must have spoken to people at the club and known how much damage he can do. A couple of half decent friendlies just lulls people in to a false sense of security because there’s always a disaster lurking with Ambrose. Honestly, there must be a better centre back option out there. In fact, I’m a better option than Efe right now. Rodgers will be judged on his signings but also on his selections. The goal was a shambles but there was a few things that had the alarm bells ringing the other night. We know Rodgers has inherited a mess. The recruitment under Deila was staggeringly poor. It’s a sub standard squad that needs serious investment to have half a chance. But it worried me the way the game unfolded in Gibraltar. The pitch was a factor. The surface was abysmal and it had a huge effect on the game. But Celtic should have had the game management to deal with it. That’s what got me. When we went to places like Dunfermline’s old bumpy astro turf, we had players in the side who would say, sod this, let’s go direct and get the job done. More often than not we did. That’s winning football - not fantasy football. I was critical of Ronny Deila about this and I hope Rodgers will be more pragmatic. You have to play the conditions. In Moussa Dembele that have a beast of a guy up front and a lethal striker in Leigh Griffiths alongside him. We could all see from the start Lincoln were going to make space tight and pack the defence. There’s nothing wrong with using the diagonal ball. It should have made sense to get players out wide and get crosses in to the box. When they did those things late on the chances started to come. I’m not convinced about Griffiths out right. He’s a poacher and his best work is in between the posts. I can’t understand what is so wrong about playing an old-fashioned 4-4-2 with wide men and a front partnership. Dembele and Griffiths could really complement each other. Listen, it shouldn’t matter as Celtic should get though after the home leg but Tuesday night’s shocker was a shot across the bows for the board. It was a sore one for Rodgers in his first game in charge but they have got a top manager in place. He will improve players but he can’t improve them by 80 percent. At some point you simply need better players. The centre half and right back positions are a matter of urgency. There are still too square pegs in round holes. There’s a huge amount of work to be done but in the meantime, please no more Efe. Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-wrong-celtic-defeat-8414959#bVCtypwRkdabyPvT.99
Sutton pretty much said the exact same on TV after the game.
He's not daft, he knows what his column will have to say. He's saying in advance what his ghostwriter is going to make up later?
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14 Jul 2016, 07:37 PM
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager. Even Sir Alex Ferguson, perhaps the most famously hot tempered manager of all time, would say nothing in front of the media. Whenever you do see managers letting rip publicly it's usually a signal the beginning of the end for said manager. It may be frustrating for fans who are angry at players but you simply don't do it. Absolutely. Guys like Ferguson and Mourinho, two of the most successful managers this century, would shift the blame onto everyone else but their players in front of the media, but you could be damn sure that it was different in the dressing room.
I couldn't give a toss what the manager says in public, as long as he has made his feelings abundantly clear behind closed doors and those he feels has let him and the club down most are nowhere to be seen on Wednesday night. That's going to be the real acid test. If guys like Ambrose, Brown, Bitton, Forrest, etc are still in the team for the second leg then I'll be disappointed and a tad concerned.
Edited by 33-rpm, 14 Jul 2016, 07:37 PM.
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14 Jul 2016, 07:37 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager. Even Sir Alex Ferguson, perhaps the most famously hot tempered manager of all time, would say nothing in front of the media. Whenever you do see managers letting rip publicly it's usually a signal the beginning of the end for said manager. It may be frustrating for fans who are angry at players but you simply don't do it. Hmmmmmmm...
https://youtu.be/0103jCmrjAA
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15 Jul 2016, 08:25 AM
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
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15 Jul 2016, 08:40 AM
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My main concern is that he is doing the exact same thing Deila did with Griffiths at first, playing him wide. Managers either don't seem to trust him or like his style of play, which is fair enough, but he's a guarantee of goals we don't have from Dembele yet.
Not that anyone was getting any service against the Imps anyway.
Edited by drks, 15 Jul 2016, 08:42 AM.
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15 Jul 2016, 09:05 AM
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but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term. You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out?
Well done Sherlock.
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15 Jul 2016, 09:12 AM
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out? Well done Sherlock. its a footballer's autobiography. He probably took ten minutes cover to cover.
Probably
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15 Jul 2016, 09:16 AM
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out? Well done Sherlock. Don't haud back ffs
FWIW, i found it interesting and it makes for a good comparison - the feel good factor has been utterly disintegrated and I think the fans will need to sit tight before we see his coaching pay off.
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15 Jul 2016, 09:39 AM
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I think when BR took over he must have been aware of what he was inheriting and knew a good bit of work was required to get Celtic back on track, to use an analogy he probably thought it would be akin to climbing Ben Nevis, but he must realise know that it is more a case of Mt Kilimanjaro, or maybe even Everest. The squad is a total and utter clustereff, with a few exceptions, and everyone knows who they are.
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15 Jul 2016, 09:47 AM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager. Neil Lennon after Ross County
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/8613251.stm
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15 Jul 2016, 10:12 AM
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out? Well done Sherlock. If you read more often, you might work out how to punctuate a sentence correctly.
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15 Jul 2016, 10:14 AM
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Much posting, such opinion, very controversial. wow.
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out? Well done Sherlock.
If you read more often, you might work out how to punctuate a sentence correctly. Burn
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15 Jul 2016, 10:24 AM
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Just finished reading Luis Suarez's autobiography. His thoughts on Brendan were interesting. Suarez felt he was a breath of fresh air when he joined the club and his methods and knowledge were superb. However, the reign started badly and the feel good factor was lost immediately- he lost 3-0 in his first PL match and failed to win the next four. Players struggled to adapt to his short passing philosophy but when they got to grips with it they began to play attractive effective football. I think we are in for a difficult few weeks and it may cost us CL football again but if we are patient it will work out in the longer term.
You sat up all night reading a biography to work that out? Well done Sherlock.
If you read more often, you might work out how to punctuate a sentence correctly. Thug Life
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15 Jul 2016, 11:01 AM
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His biggest mistake so far is not getting Mulgrew in for the qualifiers.
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15 Jul 2016, 11:10 AM
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His biggest mistake so far is not getting Mulgrew in for the qualifiers.
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His biggest mistake so far is not getting Mulgrew in for the qualifiers. It's a worrying fact. We had a fairly settled defence with Mulgrew in it.
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15 Jul 2016, 11:13 AM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager.
Neil Lennon after Ross County http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/8613251.stm That's a setup.
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15 Jul 2016, 11:17 AM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager.
Neil Lennon after Ross County http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/8613251.stm Lennon was pleading to be given the job full time, Rodgers would have been comitting suicide to call out his players that early.
I would have assumed it would have been a different case for Rodgers behind closed doors. If he fails at Celtic his reputation will never recover.
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15 Jul 2016, 11:40 AM
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Mulgrew is not the answer and never was.
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