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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,288,368 Views)
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14 Jul 2016, 01:53 PM
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I might also add that one of the most powerful tools in a manager's box is the old 'I'm not angry - just disappointed' nugget. That, and 'You've let me down, you've let us down, and you've let yourself down'... And then you fix the problem, or at least make a plan for fixing it. Action will show the staff that you mean business, otherwise words are as wind. If you show people that you value them, that you expect the very best from them, AND you help and support them to deliver that potential, then you tend to raise performance levels. They also have to know they can't get away with any jiggery-pokery, of course. Take no shampoo. It's not rocket surgery or brain science, but it is simple and effective. And I think BR knows at least that much, and probably a helluva lot more. Yes, the result was a complete eff up. How the team (and I include BR in that) respond to the eff up will tell us a lot more about them than the eff up itself. COYBIG
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14 Jul 2016, 02:22 PM
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BR needs to do Theresa May - a root and branch clearout, sack the disruptive voices.
Can't quite see him in kitten heels somehow.
Edit: name spelling change before either of them sues me.
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14 Jul 2016, 02:28 PM
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BR needs to do Teresa May - a root and branch clearout, sack the disruptive voices.
Can't quite see him in kitten heels somehow. Teresa May is the glamour model, blue movie chick bro (so my pals tell me !!!) ...
Aye good addition she could play centre half maybe? Better than Efe as well. She can play on the astroturf and happily pass the ball 5 yards..bounce will not affect her neither (so Brendan not need worry) so she will be better than Efe.
Edit- We were talking about this in work this morning the name sake(s)...hence the sharp response - honestly
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14 Jul 2016, 02:31 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
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14 Jul 2016, 02:33 PM
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- 14 Jul 2016, 09:52 AM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Brendan Rodgers was wrong, Celtic defeat was embarrassing says Chris Sutton
Spoiler: click to toggle CHRIS believes that defeat to Lincoln Red Imps was a massive embarrassment despite what the Celtic manager says. BRENDAN Rodgers came out after the Lincoln Red Imps game and said it wasn’t embarrassing losing to the Gibraltar side. I’m sorry Brendan but it was a total embarrassment. Celtic is a global brand and this result has gone around the world. It has made headline news on the sport pages all over the planet. Embarrassing is exactly what I’d call it. There should be red faces all round but it’s important to have some sort of context. It is only half time and the real embarrassment would come if Celtic didn’t get through the tie. That would be a complete humiliation and catastrophic for the club. That really would be rock bottom. The worst ever. But if Celtic get through then will it matter? No. Will be be forgotten? Absolutely not. But at least they will have lived to fight another day. As it stands I would be amazed if the worst case scenario unfolded. As awful as Celtic were the other night, you still have to think they have enough to get past the part-timers. A few people have brought up the Artmedia Bratislava game and see some parallels between Rodgers and Gordon Strachan. We lost 5-0 out there in Gordon’s first game in charge, although I’d like to remind people it was still 0-0 when I went off with my cheekbone fractured in four places. The difference from that one to this is that this time the tie is still alive. We were dead after the first leg against Artmedia but this could still end up fairly comfortable if Celtic get their act together on Wednesday. I’ve seen some people talk about the Red Imps defeat like it was a freak or a one off. I don’t see it that way. I see it as a warning. It’s another wake up and smell the coffee moment for the club. They had one against Rangers last year but at some point they are going to have to learn the lesson. The current squad is not good enough to get Celtic to the group stages. How many times are we going to have to talk about Efe Ambrose? I’ve got nothing against the guy but he should be nowhere near the side. This question about is he better at right back or centre half? Efe’s best position is in the stand. Brendan must have spoken to people at the club and known how much damage he can do. A couple of half decent friendlies just lulls people in to a false sense of security because there’s always a disaster lurking with Ambrose. Honestly, there must be a better centre back option out there. In fact, I’m a better option than Efe right now. Rodgers will be judged on his signings but also on his selections. The goal was a shambles but there was a few things that had the alarm bells ringing the other night. We know Rodgers has inherited a mess. The recruitment under Deila was staggeringly poor. It’s a sub standard squad that needs serious investment to have half a chance. But it worried me the way the game unfolded in Gibraltar. The pitch was a factor. The surface was abysmal and it had a huge effect on the game. But Celtic should have had the game management to deal with it. That’s what got me. When we went to places like Dunfermline’s old bumpy astro turf, we had players in the side who would say, sod this, let’s go direct and get the job done. More often than not we did. That’s winning football - not fantasy football. I was critical of Ronny Deila about this and I hope Rodgers will be more pragmatic. You have to play the conditions. In Moussa Dembele that have a beast of a guy up front and a lethal striker in Leigh Griffiths alongside him. We could all see from the start Lincoln were going to make space tight and pack the defence. There’s nothing wrong with using the diagonal ball. It should have made sense to get players out wide and get crosses in to the box. When they did those things late on the chances started to come. I’m not convinced about Griffiths out right. He’s a poacher and his best work is in between the posts. I can’t understand what is so wrong about playing an old-fashioned 4-4-2 with wide men and a front partnership. Dembele and Griffiths could really complement each other. Listen, it shouldn’t matter as Celtic should get though after the home leg but Tuesday night’s shocker was a shot across the bows for the board. It was a sore one for Rodgers in his first game in charge but they have got a top manager in place. He will improve players but he can’t improve them by 80 percent. At some point you simply need better players. The centre half and right back positions are a matter of urgency. There are still too square pegs in round holes. There’s a huge amount of work to be done but in the meantime, please no more Efe. Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-wrong-celtic-defeat-8414959#bVCtypwRkdabyPvT.99
I would much rather an ex player was honest than just a mouthpiece trying to keep his job. Tom Boyd could learn a thing or two. Tom Boyd doesn't get asked as he tells it like it is, not what his ghost writer wants him to say. Also did Boyd ever get himself deliberatley sent off at Ibrox because he didn't fancy it? tom boyd is a hero but lets not pretend he "tells it as it is" ffs.
he said celtic fans who were critical of ronny should shut up and remember the 90s.
sutton didnt get himself sent off anyway, he lost the plot and ran around like a madman after punching lovenkrands in the tunnel at ht
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14 Jul 2016, 02:41 PM
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- 14 Jul 2016, 01:33 AM
I think last night was a masterclass move by Brendan, send out last years dross knowing they might efe it up as they did last season so many times but knowing he would win the tie at home next week, thus making it very easy for him to change any players he wishes and not having to explain too much to said players. Thats pretty much the only idea I have been clinging too.
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14 Jul 2016, 02:44 PM
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Whatever you do, don't start evangelising Rodgers.
Or I really will need to go lay down in a darkened room.
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14 Jul 2016, 02:48 PM
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I think last night was a masterclass move by Brendan, send out last years dross knowing they might efe it up as they did last season so many times but knowing he would win the tie at home next week, thus making it very easy for him to change any players he wishes and not having to explain too much to said players.
Thats pretty much the only idea I have been clinging too. Thank god. That's the only thought that has been keeping me happy the last few days. Glad I am not the only one that had considered it.
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14 Jul 2016, 02:58 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable. What would have happened if he did tear them a new one in front of the press?
What's the name of that Dale Carnegie book again....
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14 Jul 2016, 03:12 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
What would have happened if he did tear them a new one in front of the press? What's the name of that Dale Carnegie book again.... How to stop worrying and start living?
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14 Jul 2016, 03:14 PM
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The scary thing about all of this for me isn't what he said post match but that he failed to change the game plan during the match and gave Bitton the full 90 minutes. Everyone apart from Brendan obviously could see that we needed to get the ball wide and get some crosses into the box rather than tip-tapping it around with no urgency.
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14 Jul 2016, 03:14 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable. There's no doubt he tore them to pieces. They've embarrassed him big time with that result and I doubt most of them,if any, will get his trust back fully after that.
In public he will always back them as most managers would do, but in private he will be raging and I'm sure a few arseholess got told on Tuesday night how he felt.
Doubt it will make a difference. Only way to mend this squad is bin most of them and I'm sure BR knows it. That takes at least a season though.
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14 Jul 2016, 03:20 PM
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The scary thing about all of this for me isn't what he said post match but that he failed to change the game plan during the match and gave Bitton the full 90 minutes. Everyone apart from Brendan obviously could see that we needed to get the ball wide and get some crosses into the box rather than tip-tapping it around with no urgency. he did change the game plan
perhaps not quick enough
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14 Jul 2016, 03:20 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable.
What would have happened if he did tear them a new one in front of the press? What's the name of that Dale Carnegie book again.... There's always dafties that want the manager to come out and rip our own players to shreds after a bad result. Of course saying it was disappointing and there was no embarrassment isn't right either.
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14 Jul 2016, 03:25 PM
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The scary thing about all of this for me isn't what he said post match but that he failed to change the game plan during the match and gave Bitton the full 90 minutes. Everyone apart from Brendan obviously could see that we needed to get the ball wide and get some crosses into the box rather than tip-tapping it around with no urgency. forrest, mcgregor and ciftci used instead of roberts was crazy. i can see why he went for those 3 individually but no way all 3 before roberts.
roberts looked rusty in the last friendly fair enough but he was the type of player needed against that packed defence even just for 20 minutes
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14 Jul 2016, 03:27 PM
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Much posting, such opinion, very controversial. wow.
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I might also add that one of the most powerful tools in a manager's box is the old 'I'm not angry - just disappointed' nugget. That, and 'You've let me down, you've let us down, and you've let yourself down'... And then you fix the problem, or at least make a plan for fixing it. Action will show the staff that you mean business, otherwise words are as wind. If you show people that you value them, that you expect the very best from them, AND you help and support them to deliver that potential, then you tend to raise performance levels. They also have to know they can't get away with any jiggery-pokery, of course. Take no shampoo. It's not rocket surgery or brain science, but it is simple and effective. And I think BR knows at least that much, and probably a helluva lot more. Yes, the result was a complete eff up. How the team (and I include BR in that) respond to the eff up will tell us a lot more about them than the eff up itself. COYBIG
eff off. Almost spat my tea out at that.
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14 Jul 2016, 03:27 PM
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The scary thing about all of this for me isn't what he said post match but that he failed to change the game plan during the match and gave Bitton the full 90 minutes. Everyone apart from Brendan obviously could see that we needed to get the ball wide and get some crosses into the box rather than tip-tapping it around with no urgency.
forrest, mcgregor and ciftci used instead of roberts was crazy. i can see why he went for those 3 individually but no way all 3 before roberts. roberts looked rusty in the last friendly fair enough but he was the type of player needed against that packed defence even just for 20 minutes Armstrong came on. Not McGregor.
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14 Jul 2016, 03:37 PM
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The scary thing about all of this for me isn't what he said post match but that he failed to change the game plan during the match and gave Bitton the full 90 minutes. Everyone apart from Brendan obviously could see that we needed to get the ball wide and get some crosses into the box rather than tip-tapping it around with no urgency.
forrest, mcgregor and ciftci used instead of roberts was crazy. i can see why he went for those 3 individually but no way all 3 before roberts. roberts looked rusty in the last friendly fair enough but he was the type of player needed against that packed defence even just for 20 minutes Only if he was played on the left wing.
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14 Jul 2016, 06:08 PM
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Is there any truth to the rumour that BR has ordered an overnight delivery of two dozen envelopes?
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14 Jul 2016, 06:26 PM
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Rodgers post match interview did have a bit of the Ronny about it. Mind you, Strachan used to do the same no matter how bad the team were.
MON never publicly attacked the team but at least you could see he was absolutely raging when they let him down. I really hope Rodgers tore them in pieces. If he didn't they'll begin to think that level of performance is acceptable. Name a manager who publicly calls out his players and almost certainly you'll name a failure of a manager.
Even Sir Alex Ferguson, perhaps the most famously hot tempered manager of all time, would say nothing in front of the media. Whenever you do see managers letting rip publicly it's usually a signal the beginning of the end for said manager. It may be frustrating for fans who are angry at players but you simply don't do it.
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